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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 18, 2017 8:33:45 GMT -5
The American accent is kind of annoying but this performance is nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be. People always need SOMETHING to complain about. |
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Post by carlober on Aug 18, 2017 8:41:12 GMT -5
At 2:30 when the dude comes on to sort out Noel's mic he doesn't even get a little nod of thanks. Says a lot. Says what? Such a sterile debate. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 18, 2017 8:44:36 GMT -5
At 2:30 when the dude comes on to sort out Noel's mic he doesn't even get a little nod of thanks. Says a lot. Says what? Such a sterile debate. See my last post. |
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Post by ricardogce on Aug 18, 2017 9:07:44 GMT -5
I hate the revamped versions. The phrasing is jarring (listen to the crowd singing along to Wonderwall with the traditional vocal melody, and see how he catches them off-base with his changed phrasing). It's such a wanky thing to do, usually by veteran singers who think they're making their classics fresh again. "The song you've been waiting all night to hear? Yeah, let's do it differently!" It's not as bad as Adam Duritz ruining "Mr. Jones" at Counting Crows shows (seriously, look that shit up), but it's not too far behind.
No, Noel shouldn't try to imitate Liam, but let's not pretend he didn't do brilliant solo versions of these songs whenever Liam bailed on a show. At 50, he still has his golden voice, so there's no need to dad-rock his classics up.
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Post by Spaceman on Aug 18, 2017 9:24:51 GMT -5
I hate the revamped versions. The phrasing is jarring (listen to the crowd singing along to Wonderwall with the traditional vocal melody, and see how he catches them off-base with his changed phrasing). It's such a wanky thing to do, usually by veteran singers who think they're making their classics fresh again. "The song you've been waiting all night to hear? Yeah, let's do it differently!" It's not as bad as Adam Duritz ruining "Mr. Jones" at Counting Crows shows (seriously, look that shit up), but it's not too far behind. No, Noel shouldn't try to imitate Liam, but let's not pretend he didn't do brilliant solo versions of these songs whenever Liam bailed on a show. At 50, he still has his golden voice, so there's no need to dad-rock his classics up. Couldn't agree more. I'd be fuckin pissed if I went to a concert unaware and he pulled this kind of shit. As if the fact he's supporting bongo's beige ass wasn't reason enough not to go see him already |
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Post by freddy838 on Aug 18, 2017 10:26:24 GMT -5
My problem with his CS is that he changes it to suit his higher pitched voice, but once it gets to the 'People believe...' bit he almost has nowhere to go and it sounds like he's struggling. Also, even Gem hasn't quite nailed a proper solo to suit it yet, albeit not as bad as Tim's. I don't really like the bits of melody Noel changes ether. Apart from that though, it's fine.
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Post by mostlyharmless on Aug 20, 2017 0:01:09 GMT -5
Not so much the arrangements but the delivery. Apart from the articulation issue he seems to fall in love with laying emphasis on certain words, like "wipe that tear awAAAY now from your eye" and "I would like/ to leAAAVE this city" in HTWA. Quite annoying.
BTW, if this weren't from Noel Gallagher, but from someone else who sang it exactly the same way, what would you think?
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 20, 2017 3:05:12 GMT -5
Champagne Supernova and Supersonic, as they were originally recorded, are totally Liam songs, that's it. One of the main reasons why they're so incredibly good on the record is because Liam's vocals are just insane on them, they were clearly written with Liam in mind. Only '90s Liam could do them justice. And Noel is perfectly aware of this, I believe. That also explains why he doesn't sing Live Forever, for example. By changing the arrangements he avoids any useless comparison: they're different songs now and they convey different feelings. To be honest, a 50 years-old Noel trying to do his best Liam impression on a loud, rocking version of Champagne Supernova would be just wrong. Personally, I really like Noel's arrangements of both Champagne Supernova and Supersonic. My only complaint is that he's played them so many times during the tours that they've become a bit stale. You can add Sad Song and Listen Up tot he list, although he hasn't played those that much to be fair. And the new-ish version of Wonderwall, which still retains some things of the Ryan Adams version but it's a lot more similar to the album take, is excellent in my opinion. Exactly, great post. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 28, 2017 18:24:51 GMT -5
Can someone post a good recording from YouTube to how he's now doing Wonderwall? I can't be arsed to look for it myself. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 18:26:44 GMT -5
Can someone post a good recording from YouTube to how he's now doing Wonderwall? I can't be arsed to look for it myself. Cheers. A faster Ryan Adams version. Should really go back to the Earls Court 1995 or 2008/2009 version. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 18:30:39 GMT -5
They are HIS FUCKING SONGS...you don't like it, pick up a fucking guitar and write a song. Then you can "arrange it" any way you want. Until then, be thankful he brought these melodies into the world.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Aug 28, 2017 18:46:25 GMT -5
Jesus some of you are way too picky of both Noel and Liam.
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Post by underneaththesky on Aug 28, 2017 21:44:18 GMT -5
some are good, some are bad nice to hear Spaceman and Angel Child Supernova is church on Sunday Listen Up and Slide Away are immense Digsy's Dinner is really bad Lock All The Doors always fine Fade Away - this version was good in '95 Little By Little   |
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Post by underneaththesky on Aug 28, 2017 21:46:02 GMT -5
They are HIS FUCKING SONGS...you don't like it, pick up a fucking guitar and write a song. Then you can "arrange it" any way you want. Until then, be thankful he brought these melodies into the world. what's your point, godhelpusall? |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 29, 2017 14:35:20 GMT -5
Can someone post a good recording from YouTube to how he's now doing Wonderwall? I can't be arsed to look for it myself. Cheers. A faster Ryan Adams version. Should really go back to the Earls Court 1995 or 2008/2009 version. I actually like it. Fuck the haters. |
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Post by stinenat on Aug 29, 2017 15:24:01 GMT -5
"...feel the way I do, about you." I love the way he leaves it there without the 'Now.' It's my favorite touch from the way he's been doing Wonderwall for probably 10 years now.
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Post by Velo on Aug 29, 2017 16:28:10 GMT -5
i think champagne supernova is a bit suspect but otherwise okay.
i kinda wish he'd do Rock n Roll Star like the version he did back in 2000. that was mint.
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Post by NYR on Aug 30, 2017 0:27:17 GMT -5
I might be one of the few who loves the new versions of "Champagne Supernova" and "Digsy's Dinner." That said, it would be nice to see him change things up a bit and replace the Oasis songs he's been doing solo with others. There are so many to choose from, after all.
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Post by revol on Aug 31, 2017 3:12:50 GMT -5
Seems like some of you like to be slapped in the face by music. When something's not loud or/and angry enough then you see it as an offence from Noel. Well, In my opinion, his versions show a great deal of sensitivity and if you're unable to connect with the music on that level, then please stick to Liam - he'll feed you some quasi-Rock with a shovel. At least it will be loud and angry.
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Post by mostlyharmless on Sept 1, 2017 10:41:54 GMT -5
Seems like some of you like to be slapped in the face by music. When something's not loud or/and angry enough then you see it as an offence from Noel. Well, In my opinion, his versions show a great deal of sensitivity and if you're unable to connect with the music on that level, then please stick to Liam - he'll feed you some quasi-Rock with a shovel. At least it will be loud and angry. Don't like this version = Only appreciate loud angry stuff? I love the sensitivity Noel reveals in his music. HTWA is my favorite Noel-sang song in terms of vocal performance. Unfortunately his live version of HTWA nowadays is cheesy af. Champagne Supernova is not as bad as HTWA but close. |
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Post by ricardogce on Sept 1, 2017 11:31:53 GMT -5
Seems like some of you like to be slapped in the face by music. When something's not loud or/and angry enough then you see it as an offence from Noel. Well, In my opinion, his versions show a great deal of sensitivity and if you're unable to connect with the music on that level, then please stick to Liam - he'll feed you some quasi-Rock with a shovel. At least it will be loud and angry. Imagine being this childish. |
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Post by scyhopath on Sept 1, 2017 11:56:23 GMT -5
"Champagne Supernova" sounds a lot like a contemporary country song, especially with that tempo and Noel slipping into this faux American accent - what the fuck is up with that? Apart from the country music vibe, I actually enjoy the way he plays it.
"Wonderwall", on the other hand... why is he covering a cover of his own bloody song? I can't get over the fact he prefers Ryan Adams' way of singing rather than his own. Very flattering for Ryan that Noel acknowledged his effort, no doubt, but, again, it makes it sound so much like country it's not even funny in this case. It just rubs me the wrong way that Noel doesn't perform "Wonderwall" with the original vocal melody that he wrote himself, and one that every single person in the audience knows.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 1, 2017 12:06:46 GMT -5
Seems like some of you like to be slapped in the face by music. When something's not loud or/and angry enough then you see it as an offence from Noel. Well, In my opinion, his versions show a great deal of sensitivity and if you're unable to connect with the music on that level, then please stick to Liam - he'll feed you some quasi-Rock with a shovel. At least it will be loud and angry. You're incredibly jovial and like a dig or two in a certain other section of the forum but seemingly less so here when you feel Noel is being attacked. You could probably learn a lesson from that, I mean you won't but you could. I think a lot of artists rejig their music as they get older whether thats to do with the voice, boredom or just a bit of creative license. I think its a good thing. They don't always work but fuck it why not, it is possible to like more than one version of a song. Bob Dylan - Tombstone Blues MTV Unplugged (1994)>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Dylan - Tombstone Blues Highway 61 Revisited (1965) How do you like them apples? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 12:13:21 GMT -5
"Champagne Supernova" sounds a lot like a contemporary country song, especially with that tempo and Noel slipping into this faux American accent - what the fuck is up with that? Apart from the country music vibe, I actually enjoy the way he plays it. "Wonderwall", on the other hand... why is he covering a cover of his own bloody song? I can't get over the fact he prefers Ryan Adams' way of singing rather than his own. Very flattering for Ryan that Noel acknowledged his effort, no doubt, but, again, it makes it sound so much like country it's not even funny in this case. It just rubs me the wrong way that Noel doesn't perform "Wonderwall" with the original vocal melody that he wrote himself, and one that every single person in the audience knows. Saying this is like when people confuse Australian with British accents. It's a fallacy at best, and plain lazy and ignorant at worst. Please, stop. "American" is not a single accent, but many. |
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Post by Teotihuacan on Sept 1, 2017 14:02:12 GMT -5
CS as a country song... nah, it'll never work, Ben Folds had a go at it 20 years ago though...
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