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Post by matt on Aug 2, 2017 17:07:10 GMT -5
The problem here is that many think that he doesn't excel at this anymore. And I sympathise with that view - it's difficult to listen to songs like Lock All The Doors and You Know We Can't Go Back without thinking these are poor pastiches of classic Oasis songs. It lacks that youthful vigour, aggression and spontaneity of old (the flat guitars and lack of Liam vocals certainly doesn't help). As a 50 year old bloke, you just can't replicate that. Something that sounds sonically expansive yet intimate and reflective at the same time is what I want from Noel. Perhaps the best example to use would be Falling Down. Now granted, I don't think the studio version does that song full justice (too retro when it should be more modern) and many brilliant individual elements within the numerous remixes it was given adds further weight to the idea that more could have been fulfilled with that track. Yet the bare bones of that song is very melancholy and downbeat, despite it having a fantastic rhythm to it. I don't want to listen to middle aged man rocking out having a great time. That fools nobody and just looks pathetic in my opinion. And I don't want to categorise Noel into anthemic tunes, because that doesn't do his songs justice in my opinion. The anthemic qualities were a bonus rather than the central factor in his songs; instead it was the emotional weight and depth behind those melodies. That is the key to Noel's songwriting and if he were to provide that with something more contemplative then he'd have a great album on his hands. I don't get that sense with Noel's modern day 'anthemic' songs - if they had the power and scale of earlier ones, then why have none of them been hits? It all feels rather contrived and because of that, I'm bored by them. I'm open to any form of diversity within his music now because it might tap into a naive and innocent wonder of new sounds that can often inspire and conjure up magical moments. You people just can't wait for Noel to make his King of Limbs.... Yeah yeah, we get it. You probably only listen to Oasis, Kasabian and Catfish & The Bottlemen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 17:13:34 GMT -5
You people just can't wait for Noel to make his King of Limbs.... Yeah yeah, we get it. You probably only listen to Oasis, Kasabian and Catfish & The Bottlemen. I just want don't an album that prioritizes sounds and noises over heartbreaking melody....there's plenty of that kind of music out there. Maybe I'm old (40 years), but I don't want Noel to change what he does or the power his music has over me. To use an old cliche: Falling Down is good, but it's for Sunday mornings. You Know We Can't Go Back is for Saturday nights.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 17:15:40 GMT -5
Off-topic, but Noel wanted You Know We Can't Go Back to be the lead single off CY....see this interview at ~3:00 minute mark
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Post by matt on Aug 2, 2017 17:44:06 GMT -5
Yeah yeah, we get it. You probably only listen to Oasis, Kasabian and Catfish & The Bottlemen. I just want don't an album that prioritizes sounds and noises over heartbreaking melody....there's plenty of that kind of music out there. Maybe I'm old (40 years), but I don't want Noel to change what he does or the power his music has over me. To use an old cliche: Falling Down is good, but it's for Sunday mornings. You Know We Can't Go Back is for Saturday nights. Nobody is asking for an abstract avant garde album. I've got plenty of 'Saturday night' Oasis songs, and when if I'm the mood, I'll turn up Some Might Say over You Know We Can't Go Back. I'm spoilt for choice in that regards, so I'm not going to choose low fat diet Oasis which songs like You Know We Can't Go Back are.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 3:10:13 GMT -5
I just want don't an album that prioritizes sounds and noises over heartbreaking melody....there's plenty of that kind of music out there. Maybe I'm old (40 years), but I don't want Noel to change what he does or the power his music has over me. To use an old cliche: Falling Down is good, but it's for Sunday mornings. You Know We Can't Go Back is for Saturday nights. Nobody is asking for an abstract avant garde album. I've got plenty of 'Saturday night' Oasis songs, and when if I'm the mood, I'll turn up Some Might Say over You Know We Can't Go Back. I'm spoilt for choice in that regards, so I'm not going to choose low fat diet Oasis which songs like You Know We Can't Go Back are. I'll take low-fat Oasis over vegan Oasis any day...
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Post by chamu on Aug 3, 2017 7:41:20 GMT -5
I'd love an experimental album by Noel. Or trying to be more adventurous. We have lot of singalong songs with the Oasis ones. He hasn't the power on his voice and the youth passion for that kind of songs... I really like "chasing yesterday" and he should try to go a little bit further.
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Post by freddy838 on Aug 3, 2017 10:51:09 GMT -5
I just hope Holmes unlocks some of Noel's musicianship, as I've always thought he's a bit underrated in that regard. From after SOTSOG everything seemed a bit formulaic until some of Chasing Yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:22:26 GMT -5
When is the podcast with Gem released?
I need more new album info!!!
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Aug 3, 2017 16:39:14 GMT -5
You Know We Can't Go Back is quite good. In fact, the second half of Chasing Yesterday is far stronger than the first.
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Post by goletitout1986 on Aug 4, 2017 7:30:43 GMT -5
When is the podcast with Gem released? I need more new album info!!! I cannot wait to hear from that cool bastard.
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Post by simmo on Aug 4, 2017 10:29:45 GMT -5
End of the month x
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Post by matt on Aug 4, 2017 13:59:04 GMT -5
I'd love an experimental album by Noel. Or trying to be more adventurous. We have lot of singalong songs with the Oasis ones. He hasn't the power on his voice and the youth passion for that kind of songs... I really like "chasing yesterday" and he should try to go a little bit further. That's the crux of the problem - he's singing these types of anthemic songs and we're all thinking 'yeah, but Liam would sound better on this'.
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Post by discworld on Aug 4, 2017 14:36:01 GMT -5
I'd love an experimental album by Noel. Or trying to be more adventurous. We have lot of singalong songs with the Oasis ones. He hasn't the power on his voice and the youth passion for that kind of songs... I really like "chasing yesterday" and he should try to go a little bit further. That's the crux of the problem - he's singing these types of anthemic songs and we're all thinking 'yeah, but Liam would sound better on this'. For me, there is no need for Liam when we have Noel.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 4, 2017 17:34:09 GMT -5
I'd love an experimental album by Noel. Or trying to be more adventurous. We have lot of singalong songs with the Oasis ones. He hasn't the power on his voice and the youth passion for that kind of songs... I really like "chasing yesterday" and he should try to go a little bit further. That's the crux of the problem - he's singing these types of anthemic songs and we're all thinking 'yeah, but Liam would sound better on this'. Don't look back in anger!
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Post by AubreyOasis on Aug 7, 2017 8:31:11 GMT -5
The less "songy" bit is worrying for me. That is the type of comments artists typically do when they know they do not have great songs. For me, CY was almost perfect and I would like an album in the same vein, maybe modernizing the production a little bit. I don't need Noel to experiment with other styles: in the Spotify world, I can listen to any style of music at any moment. If I want dance-rock, I simply listen to LCD Soundsystem (or a myriad other groups). If I want stoner rock, I can listen to QOTSA, etc. From Noel, I want the great, anthemic songs he excels at. 10-12 great oasis-like songs every 3 years don't seem too many for me The problem here is that many think that he doesn't excel at this anymore. And I sympathise with that view - it's difficult to listen to songs like Lock All The Doors and You Know We Can't Go Back without thinking these are poor pastiches of classic Oasis songs. It lacks that youthful vigour, aggression and spontaneity of old (the flat guitars and lack of Liam vocals certainly doesn't help). As a 50 year old bloke, you just can't replicate that. Something that sounds sonically expansive yet intimate and reflective at the same time is what I want from Noel. Perhaps the best example to use would be Falling Down. Now granted, I don't think the studio version does that song full justice (too retro when it should be more modern) and many brilliant individual elements within the numerous remixes it was given adds further weight to the idea that more could have been fulfilled with that track. Yet the bare bones of that song is very melancholy and downbeat, despite it having a fantastic rhythm to it. I don't want to listen to middle aged man rocking out having a great time. That fools nobody and just looks pathetic in my opinion. And I don't want to categorise Noel into anthemic tunes, because that doesn't do his songs justice in my opinion. The anthemic qualities were a bonus rather than the central factor in his songs; instead it was the emotional weight and depth behind those melodies. That is the key to Noel's songwriting and if he were to provide that with something more contemplative then he'd have a great album on his hands. I don't get that sense with Noel's modern day 'anthemic' songs - if they had the power and scale of earlier ones, then why have none of them been hits? It all feels rather contrived and because of that, I'm bored by them. I'm open to any form of diversity within his music now because it might tap into a naive and innocent wonder of new sounds that can often inspire and conjure up magical moments. You are setting this as a "classic rock" vs "modern sound" discussion, but that misses my point. Everybody here loves Falling Down, BOTMI and WTSRTS. But we love them because they are great songs: they are as "songy" as it gets. What defines Noel's style are great melodies, strong songs that can be played in any way. Of course, some songs will benefit from a certain treatment (e.g. more electronic) and others will benefit from another (e.g. rock) but the great NG songs will still be great even if you play them only with an acoustic guitar. That is why the comment about the third album being "less songy" worries me. If we get 10 songs like FD, BOTMI,... I will be extremely happy. If we get 10 songs like The Right Stuff, where "groove" dominates over melody, I will not be neccessarily dissapointed (I also like TRS, AOTR, etc), but those are not the type of songs I come to Noel for. There are many other artists out there that can do that, and many are probably better than him at that particular thing.
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Post by jupi on Aug 7, 2017 17:19:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the great interview!! Plenty of interesting bits there and a good insight of what it's like playing with Noel. It was interesting to hear how much Russ appreciates the songs and wants to do them justice on stage.
If there's a chance to get a question in for Gem I'd really like to know how the changes in the line-up changed the band dynamic! He was in Oasis with five different drummers (Alan, Steve, Zak, Chris & Terry) and when Noel was replaced by Matt in 2000, in Beady Eye and finally now in HFB. There's always someone out and a new one in. Did his role differ because of the lineup changes and how the bands dealt with the changes?
Thanks again for the great series!
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Post by neila83 on Aug 11, 2017 17:22:33 GMT -5
Wow, love this interview, thanks Simmo! Russ seems like such a down to earth, funny bloke, must be great to have around in the band. Actually it's a great line up they've got now, they all seem like great characters, they're all top musicians, and seem to get on well. The live shows should be a step up this time around, and it certainly feels more like a badn than 'Noel + some jobbing session musicians'.
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Post by mouth on Aug 18, 2017 11:21:14 GMT -5
so what's THAT chord in dlbia?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Aug 18, 2017 12:37:29 GMT -5
so what's THAT chord in dlbia? Amouthsusidiot2.
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Post by mouth on Aug 18, 2017 16:09:14 GMT -5
so what's THAT chord in dlbia? Amouthsusidiot2. i don't think that that's a chord. not only have you proven that your taste in music sucks balls and that you have no clue what an alcoholic is, but you also seem to have no idea about playing the guitar. tell me more about your inabilities.
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Post by Let It🩸 on Sept 30, 2017 16:10:47 GMT -5
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