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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Mar 24, 2017 8:40:24 GMT -5
Thing is, Noel isn't a great guitarist like Johnny Marr or the greatest singer. His main strength is songwriting, which is why you would expect him to contribute a melody of sorts in a collaboration. As it is now, it's really pointless - you don't hear him anyway.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Mar 24, 2017 8:55:52 GMT -5
Some of you are taking this too seriously. Noel and Damon must have been hanging out together and they decided Noel would join for the refrain of this track, just for fun. I don't expect the point was to fully collaborate together. As it's been pointed out, he isn't even properly credited on this song.
Let's not forget, by the way, that Noel has been writing songs in the studio for his new album. So of course he wasn't going to try to come up with what potentially could be a terrific melody for a Gorillaz track when he could use it on his new record. Especially if that was never the plan in the first place.
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Post by Rolo on Mar 24, 2017 9:07:40 GMT -5
Not to make another case for Noel's "laziness," but since he has left Oasis, he has ACTUALLY been very busy. HFBs CY The aborted AA sessions His new album The Miles Kane collaboration (backing vocals on My Fantasy)
Coldplay collaboration (Guitar on Up & Up)
Paul Weller/Monkees collaboration (Birth of an Accidental Hipster)
Gorillaz collaboration (Backing vocals for We got the PowerI'm just saying Lennon2217  Since CY was released, I don't think we've gone more than 4 months without some type of Noel release. Noel has been a busy man! To be fair they probably took him a single morning or afternoon for each one. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 24, 2017 9:08:40 GMT -5
Since Oasis ended, all officially released. No scrapped or pending projects......................... Albums The King of Limbs The King of Limbs remix album Atoms For Peace Tomorrow's Modern Boxes A Moon Shaped Pool Songs Memory of Harry Patch (Radiohead) These Are My Twisted Words (Radiohead) Feeling Pulled Apart By Horses (Yorke) The Hollow Earth (Yorke) Hearing Damage (Yorke) ...And The World Laughs With You (Flying Lotus) Supercollider/Butcher (Radiohead) The Daily Mail/Staircase (Radiohead) Ego/Mirror (Burial single) Shipwreck (Modeselektor) This (Modeselektor) Candyman (Flying Lotus) Retarded Fren (MF Doom) Tamer Animals (Other Lives) Youwouldn'tlikemewhenI'mangry (Yorke) Spectre (Radiohead) Beautiful People (Mark Pritchard) Ill Wind (Radiohead) #YorkeLife You could compare him to other artists who aren't doing as much, tbf. But then that wouldn't work into many people's narratives, now would it?  My point still stands, that he has been active. Just sayin.... I'm not giving Noel props for an album that was scrapped or a pending album. Lets just stick to material that actually is out there. - The Miles Kane backing vocals is like whatever. You can barely hear Noel. - His guitar work on Up&Up would have gone unnoticed it we weren't told it was Noel. It's not like Weller doing Supernova solo. - Co writing a Monkees track.......I guess that is exciting - Backing vocals buried in a Gorillaz song, not blowing my hair back These are coolish minor side things. I'd be more jacked up if they were full on collaborations. |
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Mar 24, 2017 9:29:26 GMT -5
It sounds like the kind of song that would be used in the next Coca Cola advert.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 24, 2017 10:33:46 GMT -5
I use Yorke because I often compare their work ethics. Same age. Different mind sets. That list more compares 'release ethics' though, which is independent of 'work ethics'. Like, I doubt that either Yorke or Gallagher are sitting around waiting for an elusive track 9 or 10 to pad out their albums. I mean, if Noel or Thom wanted to, I guess right now they could each probably release several discs worth of music from demos, unfinished sessions etc., and they probably wouldn't sound too bad. It's mainly quality control, sales and overexposure considerations that holds them back from releasing every DAT tape in their possession, and their choices on how they release stuff will therefore be the main thing that changes their output rate. Side thought : Take artist A and artist B who have both released amazing debut albums (these don't correspond to NG and TY, just using this as a point against the logic) Artist A is 'naturally talented' and knocks out a quality sophomore album in 3 days, releasing it soon after it's finished, spending the rest of the time between those two albums relaxing, being idle. Artist B spends 4 years working 12 hours a day, recording, editing and cutting tracks for his sophomore album, which is also quality and released soon after it's finished. In the public viewpoint, artist A has released two amazing albums in the space of a year or something, whereas artist B has taken 4 years to achieve the same. Therefore artist A is the hardworking one, and artist B is the lazy one? Again, not taking these to be any particular artists, and other evidence may suggest that Noel is the lazier one compared to Thom, but the logic of correlating release schedules over time with laziness seems slightly flawed. Bingo |
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Post by spaneli on Mar 24, 2017 10:49:02 GMT -5
You could compare him to other artists who aren't doing as much, tbf. But then that wouldn't work into many people's narratives, now would it? My point still stands, that he has been active. Just sayin.... I'm not giving Noel props for an album that was scrapped or a pending album. Lets just stick to material that actually is out there. - The Miles Kane backing vocals is like whatever. You can barely hear Noel. - His guitar work on Up&Up would have gone unnoticed it we weren't told it was Noel. It's not like Weller doing Supernova solo. - Co writing a Monkees track.......I guess that is exciting - Backing vocals buried in a Gorillaz song, not blowing my hair back These are coolish minor side things. I'd be more jacked up if they were full on collaborations. I honestly don't get your point Lennon. Whether something is released or not, if we're talking work ethic, then it should only matter that the work was put in, not if it was released or not. Like, because it wasn't released doesn't mean that he didn't spend months working on it. And whether you were blown away or not is inconsequential, tbh. My belief, is the idea that Noel could have sat around his house and done nothing, but he's clearly, always, either in the studio or on tour (barring the first few months after Oasis broke up, can anyone point to a time where Noel was either not working on an album, side session, or tour?). And even if he's in the studio for an afternoon to do a backing track, that's still a positive mark on his work ethic. So when people call Noel lazy, it's just unfounded. It's not lazy to work months on an album, whether you release it or not (so restricting your argument to only released material, to be fair, is flimsy). It's the difference between process and outcome. The process is still there, whether you like the outcome or not. It's even less lazy, if you're working on your own album, and you still find an afternoon to add on to other people's projects. That's a steady work ethic. And yea, if Yorke releases a bit more, then that's not really a scratch on Noel's work ethic. It's a false equivalency. The only way the equivalency would work, is if one artist worked and the other didn't. But if one is producing work quicker, then that just means that one is producing work quicker. I think it's fair to say that Noel hasn't been as experimental, but connecting release history to work ethic doesn't make sense imo. It presupposes too much. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 24, 2017 10:55:48 GMT -5
I'm not giving Noel props for an album that was scrapped or a pending album. Lets just stick to material that actually is out there. - The Miles Kane backing vocals is like whatever. You can barely hear Noel. - His guitar work on Up&Up would have gone unnoticed it we weren't told it was Noel. It's not like Weller doing Supernova solo. - Co writing a Monkees track.......I guess that is exciting - Backing vocals buried in a Gorillaz song, not blowing my hair back These are coolish minor side things. I'd be more jacked up if they were full on collaborations. I honestly don't get your point Lennon. Whether something is released or not, if we're talking work ethic, then it should only matter that the work was put in, not if it was released or not. Like, because it wasn't released doesn't mean that he didn't spend months working on it. And whether you were blown away or not is inconsequential, tbh. My belief, is the idea that Noel could have sat around his house and done nothing, but he's clearly, always, either in the studio or on tour (barring the first few months after Oasis broke up, can anyone point to a time where Noel was either not working on an album, side session, or tour?). And even if he's in the studio for an afternoon to do a backing track, that's still a positive mark on his work ethic. So when people call Noel lazy, it's just unfounded. It's not lazy to work months on an album, whether you release it or not (so restricting your argument to only released material, to be fair, is flimsy). It's the difference between process and outcome. The process is still there, whether you like the outcome or not. It's even less lazy, if you're working on your own album, and you still find an afternoon to add on to other people's projects. That's a steady work ethic. And yea, if Yorke releases a bit more, then that's not really a scratch on Noel's work ethic. It's a false equivalency. The only way the equivalency would work, is if one artist worked and the other didn't. But if one is producing work quicker, then that just means that one is producing work quicker. I think it's fair to say that Noel hasn't been as experimental, but connecting release history to work ethic doesn't make sense imo. It presupposes too much. Like Oa said, the stuff you mentioned probably took Noel a few hours to do. Also keep this in mind, you DRAGGED me back into this debate. It's been weeks since I jumped in on this topic and come on, you get my point. Noel isn't as active as a Thom Yorke. He just isn't. If these MINOR minor minor Noel side projects set your world on fire then I say let it burn burn burn brightly. Just doesn't do it for me. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 24, 2017 11:03:40 GMT -5
I use Yorke because I often compare their work ethics. Same age. Different mind sets. That list more compares 'release ethics' though, which is independent of 'work ethics'. Like, I doubt that either Yorke or Gallagher are sitting around waiting for an elusive track 9 or 10 to pad out their albums. I mean, if Noel or Thom wanted to, I guess right now they could each probably release several discs worth of music from demos, unfinished sessions etc., and they probably wouldn't sound too bad. It's mainly quality control, sales and overexposure considerations that holds them back from releasing every DAT tape in their possession, and their choices on how they release stuff will therefore be the main thing that changes their output rate. Side thought : Take artist A and artist B who have both released amazing debut albums (these don't correspond to NG and TY, just using this as a point against the logic) Artist A is 'naturally talented' and knocks out a quality sophomore album in 3 days, releasing it soon after it's finished, spending the rest of the time between those two albums relaxing, being idle. Artist B spends 4 years working 12 hours a day, recording, editing and cutting tracks for his sophomore album, which is also quality and released soon after it's finished. In the public viewpoint, artist A has released two amazing albums in the space of a year or something, whereas artist B has taken 4 years to achieve the same. Therefore artist A is the hardworking one, and artist B is the lazy one? Again, not taking these to be any particular artists, and other evidence may suggest that Noel is the lazier one compared to Thom, but the logic of correlating release schedules over time with laziness seems slightly flawed. Again, my thing with Noel is he is incredibly idle between albums. Sure he's done some small guest spots that are barley noticeably on others people's work but overall it's bleak. Same when he was in Oasis between 2000-2009. Yorke on the other hand seems to be constantly creating and releasing music into the world. I appreciate that. Most of it has been very very good as well. |
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Post by spaneli on Mar 24, 2017 11:07:03 GMT -5
I honestly don't get your point Lennon. Whether something is released or not, if we're talking work ethic, then it should only matter that the work was put in, not if it was released or not. Like, because it wasn't released doesn't mean that he didn't spend months working on it. And whether you were blown away or not is inconsequential, tbh. My belief, is the idea that Noel could have sat around his house and done nothing, but he's clearly, always, either in the studio or on tour (barring the first few months after Oasis broke up, can anyone point to a time where Noel was either not working on an album, side session, or tour?). And even if he's in the studio for an afternoon to do a backing track, that's still a positive mark on his work ethic. So when people call Noel lazy, it's just unfounded. It's not lazy to work months on an album, whether you release it or not (so restricting your argument to only released material, to be fair, is flimsy). It's the difference between process and outcome. The process is still there, whether you like the outcome or not. It's even less lazy, if you're working on your own album, and you still find an afternoon to add on to other people's projects. That's a steady work ethic. And yea, if Yorke releases a bit more, then that's not really a scratch on Noel's work ethic. It's a false equivalency. The only way the equivalency would work, is if one artist worked and the other didn't. But if one is producing work quicker, then that just means that one is producing work quicker. I think it's fair to say that Noel hasn't been as experimental, but connecting release history to work ethic doesn't make sense imo. It presupposes too much. Like Oa said, the stuff you mentioned probably took Noel a few hours to do. Also keep this in mind, you DRAGGED me back into this debate. It's been weeks since I jumped in on this topic and come on, you get my point. Noel isn't as active as a Thom Yorke. He just isn't. If these MINOR minor minor Noel side projects set your world on fire then I say let it burn burn burn brightly. Just doesn't do it for me. You don't actually know that Like, I said, it's the difference between process and outcome. You don't like the outcome, but the outcome isn't reflective of being active or work ethic. The outcome doesn't erase the process. If me and a guy go to the gym 30 minutes a day, and we both do shoot around, if the other guy is shooting free throws at a 70% clip and I'm doing it at a 50%, it's not that I'm not active. My argument is that the process is there. The process is work ethic. And as I said, whether he goes in for a couple hours, then fine. He could have chosen NOT to go in, to be less active, as you would say....especially considering he's been working on his own main project, that might be considered laziness. The absense of work. However, the process is there of someone who actually does like being active, or why go in at all? As you said, you just don't like the outcome |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 24, 2017 11:09:15 GMT -5
Like Oa said, the stuff you mentioned probably took Noel a few hours to do. Also keep this in mind, you DRAGGED me back into this debate. It's been weeks since I jumped in on this topic and come on, you get my point. Noel isn't as active as a Thom Yorke. He just isn't. If these MINOR minor minor Noel side projects set your world on fire then I say let it burn burn burn brightly. Just doesn't do it for me. You don't actually know that Like, I said, it's the difference between process and outcome. You don't like the outcome, but the outcome isn't reflective of being active or work ethic. The outcome doesn't erase the process. If me and a guy go to the gym 30 minutes a day, and we both do shoot around, if the other guy is shooting free throws at a 70% clip and I'm doing it at a 50%, it's not that I'm not active. My argument is that the process is there. The process is work ethic. And as I said, whether he goes in for a couple hours, then fine. He could have chosen NOT to go in, to be less active, as you would say....especially considering he's been working on his own main project, that might be considered laziness. The absense of wor. However, the process is there of someone who actually does like being active, or why go in at all? As you said, you just don't like the outcome I'm trying to keep it level. You are counting stuff Noel hasn't released yet. I'm not doing that with Yorke but easily could. He's also sitting on a wealth of music. Noel also admits he's a lazy man when recording music. I mean it's Noel Gallagher. He know his snail pace. Noel is 50. Not sure what he is waiting for. Maybe he will blossom with more output at 60. |
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 24, 2017 12:52:07 GMT -5
You can barely hear Noel on the track, I thought he would do something like Shawn Ryder on Dare, not just this ultra buried in the mix backing vocals
Ahhh, I saw what you did there Damon...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 24, 2017 13:06:30 GMT -5
You can barely hear Noel on the track, I thought he would do something like Shawn Ryder on Dare, not just this ultra buried in the mix backing vocals Ahhh, I saw what you did there Damon... On all these "collaborations" Noel is fucking buried. You'd think they would want to embrace having a legend on their tracks. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 24, 2017 13:07:33 GMT -5
You can barely hear Noel on the track, I thought he would do something like Shawn Ryder on Dare, not just this ultra buried in the mix backing vocals Ahhh, I saw what you did there Damon... On all these "collaborations" Noel is fucking buried. You'd think they would want to embrace having a legend on their tracks. The last good Noel collaboration was Free Love Freeway. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Mar 24, 2017 16:19:53 GMT -5
It's appalling. It's music for fuckin' 12-year-olds.
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Post by mossy on Mar 24, 2017 17:19:56 GMT -5
Noel is way more sexually active than Thom Yorke.
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Post by elroymeltzer on Mar 24, 2017 17:28:44 GMT -5
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Post by shoreline on Mar 24, 2017 17:31:06 GMT -5
I just watched a story that Noel's wife posted on instagram, and it's from a Gorillaz concert. If I'm not mistaken, it looks like Noel is up there playing with them.
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Post by shoreline on Mar 24, 2017 17:33:22 GMT -5
Ah, you beat me to it  . Writing a post on my phone takes so much more time than on the computer. |
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Post by mossy on Mar 24, 2017 18:13:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 19:21:26 GMT -5
Noel is lazy. Just look at the setlists of his tour.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 24, 2017 20:32:58 GMT -5
Noel is lazy. Just look at the setlists of his tour. He's lazy in that area. |
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Post by youremywonderfall on Mar 25, 2017 0:27:47 GMT -5
Like Oa said, the stuff you mentioned probably took Noel a few hours to do. Also keep this in mind, you DRAGGED me back into this debate. It's been weeks since I jumped in on this topic and come on, you get my point. Noel isn't as active as a Thom Yorke. He just isn't. If these MINOR minor minor Noel side projects set your world on fire then I say let it burn burn burn brightly. Just doesn't do it for me. You don't actually know that Like, I said, it's the difference between process and outcome. You don't like the outcome, but the outcome isn't reflective of being active or work ethic. The outcome doesn't erase the process. If me and a guy go to the gym 30 minutes a day, and we both do shoot around, if the other guy is shooting free throws at a 70% clip and I'm doing it at a 50%, it's not that I'm not active. My argument is that the process is there. The process is work ethic. And as I said, whether he goes in for a couple hours, then fine. He could have chosen NOT to go in, to be less active, as you would say....especially considering he's been working on his own main project, that might be considered laziness. The absense of work. However, the process is there of someone who actually does like being active, or why go in at all? As you said, you just don't like the outcome The fuck are you two arguing about? It's a crappy song, anyway. |
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Post by mostlyharmless on Mar 25, 2017 2:55:10 GMT -5
You don't actually know that Like, I said, it's the difference between process and outcome. You don't like the outcome, but the outcome isn't reflective of being active or work ethic. The outcome doesn't erase the process. If me and a guy go to the gym 30 minutes a day, and we both do shoot around, if the other guy is shooting free throws at a 70% clip and I'm doing it at a 50%, it's not that I'm not active. My argument is that the process is there. The process is work ethic. And as I said, whether he goes in for a couple hours, then fine. He could have chosen NOT to go in, to be less active, as you would say....especially considering he's been working on his own main project, that might be considered laziness. The absense of wor. However, the process is there of someone who actually does like being active, or why go in at all? As you said, you just don't like the outcome I'm trying to keep it level. You are counting stuff Noel hasn't released yet. I'm not doing that with Yorke but easily could. He's also sitting on a wealth of music. Noel also admits he's a lazy man when recording music. I mean it's Noel Gallagher. He know his snail pace. Noel is 50. Not sure what he is waiting for. Maybe he will blossom with more output at 60. I wouldn't say Noel is lazy, however, he's not creatively intensive enough. He doesn't push himself to a limit, doesn't keep asking questions when comes to making music. One can be out there working while on an autopilot mode. I think he in fact has great work ethic - he would work/tour even when he doesn't really want to, just for the sake of getting the job done. For a great musician I expect more than work ethic. Instead of filling out timesheet - show more passion. |
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Post by mostlyharmless on Mar 25, 2017 3:18:50 GMT -5
Getting curious about what kind of impact Damon might have on Noel's new album. But If Noel doesn't bring much to Gorillaz, I doubt it would be any better the other way around. Just feel Damon is more open to collaboration than Noel. Hope I'm wrong though. Not a big fan of the CY album, it feels something in between - neither energetic or reflective, which is frustrating.
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Since CY was released, I don't think we've gone more than 4 months without some type of Noel release. Noel has been a busy man!
