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Post by steve020409 on Jan 23, 2017 21:42:33 GMT -5
Some people who are not oasis fans claim that oasis music was far less complex than the bands they like, such as Led Zep. Other fans think Oasis can't be better than the bands that they like because the music isn't complex enough. For me, melody is the most important part of a song, and composition comes second. (I probably have mentioned this a lot) 1994-1995 Oasis songs were the best, and they weren't complex at all, but they had the best melodies. As the years went by, Noel have been able to add more stuff into the music. For example, the compostions in Where did it all go wrong and Gas Panic were very nice. NGHFB music were far more complexed than most of Oasis songs, and I like them, but I don't think they're as good as Champagne Supernova and many other songs. The Beatles were one of those few bands that had great melodies AND great music structure. Oasis didn't have complex music, but best melodies of all time. Led Zep and Nirvana had great music, but poor melodies. I'm pretty sure there are many people who like the instrumentation, or the chords, or the organization of a song the most. I just wanna see who agree with me and who doesn't.
I have just written a long paragraph which probably wouldn't be read by many people, but whatever
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 22:04:11 GMT -5
I firmly think that the melody is the most important part of the song, aswell. For me, that's the thing.
If you can add complex chord progressions to it, then fair enough but it doesn't mean shit if the melody is not there.
I agree on Noel songwriting. For instance , Supersonic, Live Forever, Wonderwall, Whatever, Champagne Supernova use simple chords, but the melodies are out of this world. Each part of these songs are perfect. Even in a simple acoustic track like Half The World Away, there is 3 amazing melodies.
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 23, 2017 22:33:40 GMT -5
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Post by aky on Jan 23, 2017 22:36:14 GMT -5
you can tell a lot of those classic mid 90's era noel melodies were influenced by the football chants. chorus of DLBIA being a prime example
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Post by steve020409 on Jan 23, 2017 22:39:52 GMT -5
It's like one of those songs that do have good melodies. I also like In bloom. But many Choruses on Nirvana songs are like One word+humming repeated. For example, Come as you are= memory+yahh |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Jan 24, 2017 1:53:31 GMT -5
ABOUT A GIRL has a beautiful melody that's particularly obvious on the unplugged version. I can hear a Beatles influence but maybe I'm imagining it.
My favourite Nirvana song anyway and I think it would have suited Liam's vocal style if Oasis had ever wanted to cover it.
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Post by steve020409 on Jan 24, 2017 2:21:50 GMT -5
ABOUT A GIRL has a beautiful melody that's particularly obvious on the unplugged version. I can hear a Beatles influence but maybe I'm imagining it. My favourite Nirvana song anyway and I think it would have suited Liam's vocal style if Oasis had ever wanted to cover it. I would like to see Green Day cover this song. The punk version. |
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Post by Thomas on Jan 24, 2017 2:30:37 GMT -5
Honest question: what do you mean about "song structure"? If we're thinking the same thing, I'd respectfully disagree about WDIAGW? or Gas Panic! being "organized" like if Oasis old songs were not. I say that because Noel structures are almost always the same (verse-verse-bridge-chorus-verse-bridge-chorus-solo-bridge-chorus) and I don't think this is a bad thing, it's just that it's innovative.
The melodies are there, though.
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Post by steve020409 on Jan 24, 2017 2:48:25 GMT -5
Honest question: what do you mean about "song structure"? If we're thinking the same thing, I'd respectfully disagree about WDIAGW? or Gas Panic! being "organized" like if Oasis old songs were not. I say that because Noel structures are almost always the same (verse-verse-bridge-chorus-verse-bridge-chorus-solo-bridge-chorus) and I don't think this is a bad thing, it's just that it's innovative. The melodies are there, though. Musical composition, I guess. I will change my first post as it is too unclear. So WDIAGW have really cool guitar riffs and layers, plus the ascending line at the last chorus. So I'm basically talking about all the cool stuff that are happening in the song. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 24, 2017 2:51:41 GMT -5
ABOUT A GIRL has a beautiful melody that's particularly obvious on the unplugged version. I can hear a Beatles influence but maybe I'm imagining it. My favourite Nirvana song anyway and I think it would have suited Liam's vocal style if Oasis had ever wanted to cover it. Kurt was a big Beatles fan. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 24, 2017 2:52:45 GMT -5
It's like one of those songs that do have good melodies. I also like In bloom. But many Choruses on Nirvana songs are like One word+humming repeated. For example, Come as you are= memory+yahh Which doesn't take away anything from the melody. |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 24, 2017 3:37:28 GMT -5
Noel has stated many a time that he was inspired by the melodies of Nirvana...
But yeh, doesn't matter how a strong is structured. The chords that are used most often are used for a reason - they produce the best melodies.
NG was never the best lyracist, but his ear for a melody is one of the best of the last 30 years, easy.
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Post by fabulousbakers on Jan 24, 2017 5:36:41 GMT -5
Kurt was a big Beatles fan. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 25, 2017 17:52:49 GMT -5
ABOUT A GIRL has a beautiful melody that's particularly obvious on the unplugged version. I can hear a Beatles influence but maybe I'm imagining it. My favourite Nirvana song anyway and I think it would have suited Liam's vocal style if Oasis had ever wanted to cover it. I would like to see Green Day cover this song. The punk version. It will just sound like Green Day TBH, I can't say since '39/Smooth' that I have noticed any change in sound bar bigger budgets from 'Dookie' onwards (possibly a bit of variation on 'Warning' TBF)- A modern version of The Dickies for me. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 25, 2017 21:49:03 GMT -5
It's like one of those songs that do have good melodies. I also like In bloom. But many Choruses on Nirvana songs are like One word+humming repeated. For example, Come as you are= memory+yahh which isn't a chorus  "And I swear that I don't have a gun" is the huge line. but you clearly don't know anything about Nirvana, so i'll just leave you with your own weird truth |
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Post by steve020409 on Jan 26, 2017 0:09:51 GMT -5
It's like one of those songs that do have good melodies. I also like In bloom. But many Choruses on Nirvana songs are like One word+humming repeated. For example, Come as you are= memory+yahh which isn't a chorus "And I swear that I don't have a gun" is the huge line. but you clearly don't know anything about Nirvana, so i'll just leave you with your own weird truth Well I have listened to most of Nirvana's songs as, as they didn't have any, except for the b-sides and the unpopular songs. For me that part would be the best part of come as you are. I listened to Nevermind and In utero, but I really couldn't stand the songs that have below average melodies and too much distortion. Something in the way would be my favorite, even though the melody is Something in the way + mmmhhh, but I still like the feeling of it. I guess you can have a good melody with two or three words, but definitely not songs like heart shaped box |
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Post by MacaRonic on Jan 26, 2017 4:17:31 GMT -5
I agree the melody is the most important component of a song. It always will be for me. Everything else is a bonus if of a high standard.
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Post by MacaRonic on Jan 26, 2017 4:22:58 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain wrote some great melodies. He had great taste in pop music (The Beatles, Bowie, Madonna etc) and Nirvana's songs work well on an acoustic guitar, (most of them) which is a sign of a good melody for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 8:54:09 GMT -5
It has become popular (or hip) to write off Oasis as simple minded common folk, both musically and personally.
At the core most rock genre songs are not what anyone would call complex, even Led Zep is pretty simple at its core. There may be a lot of finger f***ing of the fretboard going on, but that doesn't make the song anymore "complex" compared to anything else.
This debate is similar to the argument "Classic Rock" guys make about how the 70's bands were far superior to say The Beatles or Stones. Which is simply a fallacy of thought. What is "better" is subjective.
Everyone has their own personal tastes... I prefer a nice melody laid over a solid instrumental. To me music should be easily processed and enjoyed on the surface. If I need to understand some complex logarithm to "get" your music, then I'd rather not.
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Post by steve020409 on Jan 26, 2017 12:52:15 GMT -5
It has become popular (or hip) to write off Oasis as simple minded common folk, both musically and personally. At the core most rock genre songs are not what anyone would call complex, even Led Zep is pretty simple at its core. There may be a lot of finger f***ing of the fretboard going on, but that doesn't make the song anymore "complex" compared to anything else. This debate is similar to the argument "Classic Rock" guys make about how the 70's bands were far superior to say The Beatles or Stones. Which is simply a fallacy of thought. What is "better" is subjective. Everyone has their own personal tastes... I prefer a nice melody laid over a solid instrumental. To me music should be easily processed and enjoyed on the surface. If I need to understand some complex logarithm to "get" your music, then I'd rather not. Very nicely said. My mom always tells me that Oasis music is way too easy listen. I mean music should be easy to listen right? |
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Post by My Big Name on Jan 26, 2017 15:04:43 GMT -5
It has become popular (or hip) to write off Oasis as simple minded common folk, both musically and personally. At the core most rock genre songs are not what anyone would call complex, even Led Zep is pretty simple at its core. There may be a lot of finger f***ing of the fretboard going on, but that doesn't make the song anymore "complex" compared to anything else. This debate is similar to the argument "Classic Rock" guys make about how the 70's bands were far superior to say The Beatles or Stones. Which is simply a fallacy of thought. What is "better" is subjective. Everyone has their own personal tastes... I prefer a nice melody laid over a solid instrumental. To me music should be easily processed and enjoyed on the surface. If I need to understand some complex logarithm to "get" your music, then I'd rather not. Very nicely said. My mom always tells me that Oasis music is way too easy listen. I mean music should be easy to listen right? Not always. This is the case for most pop music today and why every song seems to become out of date after about a month because they usually have quite a catchy melody but absolutely no other qualities and consequently become stale very quickly. Thankfully with Oasis there is a fair bit of depth to the songs which doesn't leave people bored after 2 seconds and there is also the attitude and personality of the band that is carried through the songs which makes them that much better than everyone else. |
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Post by sheeeiiiinah on Jan 26, 2017 15:20:30 GMT -5
ABOUT A GIRL has a beautiful melody that's particularly obvious on the unplugged version. I can hear a Beatles influence but maybe I'm imagining it. My favourite Nirvana song anyway and I think it would have suited Liam's vocal style if Oasis had ever wanted to cover it. I would like to see Green Day cover this song. The punk version. The original version on the Bleach album while not really all that much like Green Day definitely is more punk influenced. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 26, 2017 17:17:40 GMT -5
which isn't a chorus "And I swear that I don't have a gun" is the huge line. but you clearly don't know anything about Nirvana, so i'll just leave you with your own weird truth Well I have listened to most of Nirvana's songs as, as they didn't have any, except for the b-sides and the unpopular songs. For me that part would be the best part of come as you are. I listened to Nevermind and In utero, but I really couldn't stand the songs that have below average melodies and too much distortion. Something in the way would be my favorite, even though the melody is Something in the way + mmmhhh, but I still like the feeling of it. I guess you can have a good melody with two or three words, but definitely not songs like heart shaped box definitely not? you don't like them? you don't even know them.. shit, you'd like Green Day to cover About a Girl... a "punk" version as forum member sheeeiiiinah just said, there's already the original (electric) version on Bleach.. you're off the wagon (and you're hitchin a ride  ) stevie |
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Post by steve020409 on Jan 26, 2017 19:04:49 GMT -5
Well I have listened to most of Nirvana's songs as, as they didn't have any, except for the b-sides and the unpopular songs. For me that part would be the best part of come as you are. I listened to Nevermind and In utero, but I really couldn't stand the songs that have below average melodies and too much distortion. Something in the way would be my favorite, even though the melody is Something in the way + mmmhhh, but I still like the feeling of it. I guess you can have a good melody with two or three words, but definitely not songs like heart shaped box definitely not? you don't like them? you don't even know them.. shit, you'd like Green Day to cover About a Girl... a "punk" version as forum member sheeeiiiinah just said, there's already the original (electric) version on Bleach.. you're off the wagon (and you're hitchin a ride ) stevie I don't like Green Day, but I just wanna see them cover it. Grunge and punk are kinda similar but also different right? Sadly, I also don't like Nirvana that much. It's just my music preference |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 27, 2017 2:12:27 GMT -5
definitely not? you don't like them? you don't even know them.. shit, you'd like Green Day to cover About a Girl... a "punk" version as forum member sheeeiiiinah just said, there's already the original (electric) version on Bleach.. you're off the wagon (and you're hitchin a ride ) stevie I don't like Green Day, but I just wanna see them cover it. Grunge and punk are kinda similar but also different right? Sadly, I also don't like Nirvana that much. It's just my music preference you don't like Green Day but you wanna hear em cover About A Girl? grunge and punk = similar? oh shit man, this is a bit too much for me. hope you're fine and happy xo |
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thanks!