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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 17, 2016 20:41:41 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling it a classic. In fact, I still consider it part of the 3 clunkers of SOTSOG (the other two being PYMWYMI and LJ, of course).
I've always had a small soft spot for ICSAL though. I can understand Noel wanting to add some energy to what is a mellow album. And while it does sound somewhat out of place, the dark undertones do fit the mood of SOTSOG's collective.
Once you get past the Liar/Fire rhyme, the track is alright. It's just a damn shame that that refrain is repeated multiple times.
To me, this is Noel trying to write another Step Out - it's very similar, but ultimately falls short. That doesn't mean it's unworthy of acceptance, though. Clunky at times, but quintessential Oasis at others.
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Post by World71R on Aug 18, 2016 0:10:48 GMT -5
It's funny that you mention something about this since I had listened to the song for the first time in a while today.
While it's not the greatest track at all, it's a good rock tune that breaks things up a little bit on a rather downbeat album with some heavy songs. It packs a good punch and even though there is no distinct second verse, it carries the energy well. Liam does a nice job on vocals and it has a different feel than Noel's other rock tunes. I think it might be the good mixing/mastering job that Spike, Strangeboy, and Noel worked on and some of the rawer energy. I just wish that weird effect wasn't on Liam's vocals.
Overall, it's a good album track and one that shouldn't be condemned too badly, despite it's poor placement on SOTSOG (would've been better after FITB or GLIO imo).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 0:26:32 GMT -5
Not as bad as some people are saying but not a good song. I like it though. It's a shame that they almost never played it live. Liam's vocals are as good as Listen Up / Slide Away / Headshrinker imo.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Aug 18, 2016 1:05:54 GMT -5
I just wish the lyrics weren't so lazy, damnit! And I'm not talking about the "sittin' by the fire" bit, that's hardly the worst offender. I'm referring to the "he thought he was King Creole until he found out", "now that I feel godlike there's nothing that can't be kissed" and "coming as he goes into overdose" blunders. Like, wtf? Also, even though we're all diehard Oasis fans here and all, the fact that you've listened to ICSAL so many times that you've grown to like it probably means that you need to get out more and find some real music worth listening to.   |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Aug 18, 2016 1:12:11 GMT -5
On a slightly related note, this thread's title could've been so much more clever had it been Acquiescence of ICSAL.  |
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 18, 2016 1:26:03 GMT -5
I have no idea what ICSAL is and I hate when people write like "m8", "there (instead of "their"), "your/ur (instead of you are/you're)".
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Post by wozdareden on Aug 18, 2016 2:00:49 GMT -5
Possible worst lyrics ever, bad riff, awful lyrics, lotta clichés, shit lyrics, boring tune and the lyrics suck.
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Post by mossy on Aug 18, 2016 2:50:25 GMT -5
I'm struggling to accept this thread tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 3:22:52 GMT -5
I like it. Without it in the album, the last few tracks would just feel like endless moaning ('Where did it all go wrong?', 'Will it ever work out right?, 'Roll it over my soul, leave me here'). I Can See a Liar sort of feels like trying to get your life on the up again after the three tracks before it by focussing straightforward paranoid anger at certain people as a way of masking depressed feelings, then the fade out in the last few seconds is like a burnout when you're out of anger and you realise you're not really feeling better, leading into Roll It Over which feels like an acceptance that things will get better eventually, but you have to put up with the negative feelings for the time being. Yeah, I've listened to this album too much  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 4:00:54 GMT -5
Possible worst lyrics ever, bad riff, awful lyrics, lotta clichés, shit lyrics, boring tune and the lyrics suck. Yes, shit lyrics. And it lacks so much of authenticity. Who would believe that 2 years and half before, these same brothers released Be Here Now ? |
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Post by supernovadragon on Aug 18, 2016 4:20:56 GMT -5
I've always thought it was a decent enough track for what it was. Ok so the lyrics aren't anything to shout about but the song itself could be worse. I quite like it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 7:39:24 GMT -5
Music is fine, vocal/lyrics are crap.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 8:20:17 GMT -5
Chorus is bad but it's not a bad tune. It's rocking.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 18, 2016 10:44:27 GMT -5
Nope. Not gonna have it. One of the original, cleaner, crisper demos is much much better.
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Post by matt on Aug 18, 2016 10:47:25 GMT -5
I just wish the lyrics weren't so lazy, damnit! And I'm not talking about the "sittin' by the fire" bit, that's hardly the worst offender. I'm referring to the "he thought he was King Creole until he found out", "now that I feel godlike there's nothing that can't be kissed" and "coming as he goes into overdose" blunders. Like, wtf? A lso, even though we're all diehard Oasis fans here and all, the fact that you've listened to ICSAL so many times that you've grown to like it probably means that you need to get out more and find some real music worth listening to. This. There's absolutely no merit in this tune, like many of Oasis post-Britpop songs. A real shame that Liam's voice went to waste on so much boring mid-tempo shite in the 21st century. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 11:01:22 GMT -5
Possible worst lyrics ever, bad riff, awful lyrics, lotta clichés, shit lyrics, boring tune and the lyrics suck. Yes, shit lyrics. And it lacks so much of authenticity. Who would believe that 2 years and half before, these same brothers released Be Here Now ? Because Be Here Now was a lyrical masterpiece... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 11:46:26 GMT -5
Yes, shit lyrics. And it lacks so much of authenticity. Who would believe that 2 years and half before, these same brothers released Be Here Now ? Because Be Here Now was a lyrical masterpiece... I was more talking about the authenticity. |
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Post by matt on Aug 18, 2016 12:01:56 GMT -5
Standing on the Shoulders of Giant's problem isn't the fact that it is too moody. In fact, I'd prefer if it were more moody.
There are undoubtedly great great moments on it - Gas Panic and Fuckin In The Bushes are two of Oasis finest moments. But the problem with the album is - and this goes for all Oasis albums from Giants onwards - the lack of variance with the tunes. It's interesting that the two most 'unique' songs from Giants is the two I mention above.
Apart from these great songs, barely anything is beyond mid-tempo, and when it goes slow, it goes all plodding dirge. Sad thing is, you wouldn't know which of Oasis post-90s albums I'm talking about with that prior sentence (this problem reached its peak with Dig Out Your Soul - probably the most boring album I've ever listened to in my life, and sadly a problem that extends to Beady Eye and High Flying Birds).
It's fine to sustain an overall mood for an album. I think of similar albums I love with their dark and heavy undertones to it (the new Radiohead album, Nebraska by Springsteen, Nobody Wants To Be Here... by Twilight Sad) and despite stark variances in the actual tempos and rhythms of individual songs, they're all consistent with the prevailing thoughts and emotions of the artist at that particular time.
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 18, 2016 13:02:14 GMT -5
It feels so out of place on the album, nonsense this ac/dc hard rock thing on a more experimental moody album, I don't like it much because of this, would have been a good b-side at least.
PYMWYMI with its eletronica heavy drone and Liam's inspired performance is a much better track than ICSAL IMO.
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Aug 18, 2016 13:04:40 GMT -5
reissue of SOTSOG should be to convert it to an EP not an LP
Bushes
Go let it out
Who feels love
Gas panic!
Sunday morning call
The rest should be removed from history.
(Ignoring some of the good b-sides...I'm not in for the whole these songs should be a-sides, coz part of oasis fandom is the quality of tracks consigned to b-sides as it kind of makes them special to the people who really give a shit...us)
In short. I CANT ACCEPT ICSAL!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 13:06:36 GMT -5
reissue of SOTSOG should be to convert it to an EP not an LP Bushes Go let it out Who feels love Gas panic! Sunday morning call The rest should be removed from history. (Ignoring some of the good b-sides...I'm not in for the whole these songs should be a-sides, coz part of oasis fandom is the quality of tracks consigned to b-sides as it kind of makes them special to the people who really give a shit...us) In short. I CANT ACCEPT ICSAL!! Replace Sunday Morning Call with Where Did It All Go Wrong and it would be a great EP. I don't know why but I think Where Did It All Go Wrong is one of the best songs sung by Noel. Who Feels Love is really great with its psychedelic vibe, Gas Panic is biblical and Go Let It Out is top-5 from 2000s. |
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Post by headshrinker84 on Aug 18, 2016 13:10:51 GMT -5
reissue of SOTSOG should be to convert it to an EP not an LP Bushes Go let it out Who feels love Gas panic! Sunday morning call The rest should be removed from history. (Ignoring some of the good b-sides...I'm not in for the whole these songs should be a-sides, coz part of oasis fandom is the quality of tracks consigned to b-sides as it kind of makes them special to the people who really give a shit...us) In short. I CANT ACCEPT ICSAL!! Roll It Over? |
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Aug 18, 2016 13:15:52 GMT -5
reissue of SOTSOG should be to convert it to an EP not an LP Bushes Go let it out Who feels love Gas panic! Sunday morning call The rest should be removed from history. (Ignoring some of the good b-sides...I'm not in for the whole these songs should be a-sides, coz part of oasis fandom is the quality of tracks consigned to b-sides as it kind of makes them special to the people who really give a shit...us) In short. I CANT ACCEPT ICSAL!! Replace Sunday Morning Call with Where Did It All Go Wrong and it would be a great EP. I don't know why but I think Where Did It All Go Wrong is one of the best songs sung by Noel. Who Feels Love is really great with its psychedelic vibe, Gas Panic is biblical and Go Let It Out is top-5 from 2000s. Ok. I can give you that |
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Aug 18, 2016 13:18:36 GMT -5
reissue of SOTSOG should be to convert it to an EP not an LP Bushes Go let it out Who feels love Gas panic! Sunday morning call The rest should be removed from history. (Ignoring some of the good b-sides...I'm not in for the whole these songs should be a-sides, coz part of oasis fandom is the quality of tracks consigned to b-sides as it kind of makes them special to the people who really give a shit...us) In short. I CANT ACCEPT ICSAL!! Roll It Over? Not for me matey. Can't stand Roll it Over. Find it dull. There's elements of a good track in there somewhere, but needs a bit more that a "rethink" for me and isn't good enough IMO |
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Post by headshrinker84 on Aug 18, 2016 13:25:53 GMT -5
Not for me matey. Can't stand Roll it Over. Find it dull. There's elements of a good track in there somewhere, but needs a bit more that a "rethink" for me and isn't good enough IMO Fair enough, But surely you can't think Sunday Morning Call isn't better? |
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