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Post by matt on May 13, 2017 9:49:29 GMT -5
On its own, I personally think Songs of Innocence is a decent enough listen and pleasant sounding. It's okay with a couple of golden nuggets - but that's not enough for U2 is it? But generally, forgettable for most folk outside of the U2 fanbase. They haven't gone to shit the same way Coldplay have, but it's about the relative high standards, and it's just not the same band of the 80s and 90s for me. Lung bursting anthems are good, but it's not what made them great for me. They seem to have forgotten a lot of what made them great. I honestly think a Joshua Tree is about where they're at, and it's nothing to be ashamed of by looking back if they can still evidently put on a show. To hear that album in full sequence is the stuff of dreams, and to hear the obscure ones from that finally being played is one of the best decisions they've made in recent years, amongst many poor decisions. I'd prefer to experience that album played in its entirety in a live setting than get a new album that's going to be so-so. Yeah, I don't think they've quite sunk to Coldplay levels. U2 are creatively done I think but of course they've not got a thing to be ashamed about, their back catalogue is incredible and they'll surely go down as one of the best bands and live acts of all time. Anyway, the new song isn't horrific it's just "nothingy". I'm sure there'll be some decent song on the new albuim and there was some good ones like "Sleep Like a Baby" on SOI. Can't wait on the JT shows in a couple of months, the stage as usual looks great and it'll be a great show, never heard quite a few of the songs their playing like A Sort Of Homecoming live. Yeah, there will be a few good tracks to file in with some great songs like Sleep Like A Baby - always happens with U2 (see Moment of Surrender, Cedars of Lebanon on similarly average albums). The problem with Bono's lyrics these days are that they are broad and general, often becoming cliched. He's much better, more original and inspired when he hones his focus on a specific topic. So, it's no surprise that the better songs from the last 10 years (as scant as their releases have been) are those ones that are more specified, like the drug addiction in Moment of Surrender, or war journalist in Cedars of Lebanon or child abuse in the Catholic Church on Sleep Like A Baby. Fine, they're heavy topics, and they have done great rousing numbers before (usually rock songs though, not pop) but every time U2 have tried to come off as upbeat popsters, they've been at their absolute worst (barring Beautiful Day which I love). This is an area U2 cannot do, and they should leave more upbeat songs to the likes of Noel and Coldplay who have nailed those type of songs on many occasions.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 10:13:48 GMT -5
i personally think U2 has one more great--- not good--- but great album left in them. their past few albums have been... 'nice' to listen to (excluding horizon, of course, which was utter dreck), but if i'm being honest many of the songs on those albums have been utterly forgettable.
look at what springsteen did with wrecking ball back in 2012 for example. i would personally put that album in the upper-third of his cannon... lots of great tunes on there and he didn't reinvent the wheel to make it happen. he just wrote HONEST songs, from the heart, and put them on the record. and at the same time it gained fairly decent acclaim from both music 'experts' and fans alike. i think i am being realistic in assuming that at this stage of the game, U2 could achieve the same type of success.
is it that they are trying too hard? or are they not trying hard enough. i'm not sure.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 13, 2017 11:02:13 GMT -5
i personally think U2 has one more great--- not good--- but great album left in them. their past few albums have been... 'nice' to listen to (excluding horizon, of course, which was utter dreck), but if i'm being honest many of the songs on those albums have been utterly forgettable. look at what springsteen did with wrecking ball back in 2012 for example. i would personally put that album in the upper-third of his cannon... lots of great tunes on there and he didn't reinvent the wheel to make it happen. he just wrote HONEST songs, from the heart, and put them on the record. and at the same time it gained fairly decent acclaim from both music 'experts' and fans alike. i think i am being realistic in assuming that at this stage of the game, U2 could achieve the same type of success. is it that they are trying too hard? or are they not trying hard enough. i'm not sure. They try way too hard. Bono is on record many times over the last decade that he struggles with trying to stay relevant and sell huge numbers. It isn't gonna happen anymore. Not like it did in 1987 or 1991 or 2000. That era of the band is over. Shit most bands won't sell a million units anymore or be played on the radio. Different climate in the industry. Having that been said they can still make GOOD music. Don't let numbers sold drive you mad like it did with Liam in Beady Eye.
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Post by matt on May 13, 2017 12:13:17 GMT -5
i personally think U2 has one more great--- not good--- but great album left in them. their past few albums have been... 'nice' to listen to (excluding horizon, of course, which was utter dreck), but if i'm being honest many of the songs on those albums have been utterly forgettable. look at what springsteen did with wrecking ball back in 2012 for example. i would personally put that album in the upper-third of his cannon... lots of great tunes on there and he didn't reinvent the wheel to make it happen. he just wrote HONEST songs, from the heart, and put them on the record. and at the same time it gained fairly decent acclaim from both music 'experts' and fans alike. i think i am being realistic in assuming that at this stage of the game, U2 could achieve the same type of success. is it that they are trying too hard? or are they not trying hard enough. i'm not sure. Trying too hard to be loved by everyone. Not trying hard enough in being good. They've probably got shed loads of unreleased material with more promise than the stuff they release.. Even Brian Eno said so for No Line On The Horizon, pretty much blaming them for trying to be loved with utter crap like the entire middle section of that album. That way of thinking has dictated their way of working ever since. So unbelievably terrified of pushing the boat out these days. Bono's lyrics of late seem pretty insipid, but The Edge has definitely lost his 'edge' too - when was the last truly memorable composition he came up with? Beautiful Day was finely crafted, but you'd have to go back to Pop when delving into a good many songs that were multilayered instrumentally.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 13, 2017 12:31:44 GMT -5
i personally think U2 has one more great--- not good--- but great album left in them. their past few albums have been... 'nice' to listen to (excluding horizon, of course, which was utter dreck), but if i'm being honest many of the songs on those albums have been utterly forgettable. look at what springsteen did with wrecking ball back in 2012 for example. i would personally put that album in the upper-third of his cannon... lots of great tunes on there and he didn't reinvent the wheel to make it happen. he just wrote HONEST songs, from the heart, and put them on the record. and at the same time it gained fairly decent acclaim from both music 'experts' and fans alike. i think i am being realistic in assuming that at this stage of the game, U2 could achieve the same type of success. is it that they are trying too hard? or are they not trying hard enough. i'm not sure. Trying too hard to be loved by everyone. Not trying hard enough in being good. They've probably got shed loads of unreleased material with more promise than the stuff they release.. Even Brian Eno said so for No Line On The Horizon, pretty much blaming them for trying to be loved with utter crap like the entire middle section of that album. That way of thinking has dictated their way of working ever since. So unbelievably terrified of pushing the boat out these days. Bono's lyrics of late seem pretty insipid, but The Edge has definitely lost his 'edge' too - when was the last truly memorable composition he came up with? Beautiful Day was finely crafted, but you'd have to go back to Pop when delving into a good many songs that were multilayered instrumentally. It's amazing that these guys actually made an album like POP. That would never happen today.
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Post by matt on May 13, 2017 16:05:16 GMT -5
Trying too hard to be loved by everyone. Not trying hard enough in being good. They've probably got shed loads of unreleased material with more promise than the stuff they release.. Even Brian Eno said so for No Line On The Horizon, pretty much blaming them for trying to be loved with utter crap like the entire middle section of that album. That way of thinking has dictated their way of working ever since. So unbelievably terrified of pushing the boat out these days. Bono's lyrics of late seem pretty insipid, but The Edge has definitely lost his 'edge' too - when was the last truly memorable composition he came up with? Beautiful Day was finely crafted, but you'd have to go back to Pop when delving into a good many songs that were multilayered instrumentally. It's amazing that these guys actually made an album like POP. That would never happen today. A bit ironic, that new song reminds me a bit of Staring At The Sun! It's probably on that level, a good song. But I agree - it's a shame that the poor sales of that pretty much destroyed them of their creative freedom. U2 were always a self conscious band, they always knew they weren't 'cool' and that is what kept them moving by shapeshifting into different sounds. But they've become so overburdened by that self consciousness that it has crippled them.
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Post by glider on May 13, 2017 17:55:15 GMT -5
That new song was good. Nothing groundbreaking, but good.
This is what I expect from them now - not to come out with horrid material trying to stay hip and cool with today's mainstream crowd, but to stay the course of playing it safe and recycling their 2000s sound over and over again - which is boring. Their spark of creativity died a long time ago.
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Post by batfink30 on May 24, 2017 11:36:41 GMT -5
I'm actually think The Little Things is pretty good now. It helps to have a clearer version of the song. The synths at the end are killer and the chorus and verses are great...
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Post by glider on May 24, 2017 12:41:34 GMT -5
I'm actually think The Little Things is pretty good now. It helps to have a clearer version of the song. The synths at the end are killer and the chorus and verses are great... The drum machine you would think could make the track try to be modern radio friendly, yet it adds subtly and isn't overdone. I can only hope they keep it this way for the album and not work on it so much to the point where it's just piled on with abunch of nonsense.
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Post by batfink30 on May 24, 2017 13:19:53 GMT -5
I'm actually think The Little Things is pretty good now. It helps to have a clearer version of the song. The synths at the end are killer and the chorus and verses are great... The drum machine you would think could make the track try to be modern radio friendly, yet it adds subtly and isn't overdone. I can only hope they keep it this way for the album and not work on it so much to the point where it's just piled on with abunch of nonsense. It could be great if produced properly. Still sound slightly unfinished to me. The very end Edge part with the synths is great though. A bit of a grower of a song.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 6:38:02 GMT -5
1986: 1987: hmmmmmmmmmm......
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Post by matt on Jun 27, 2017 15:21:49 GMT -5
I'm actually think The Little Things is pretty good now. It helps to have a clearer version of the song. The synths at the end are killer and the chorus and verses are great... Bono's lyrics have turned to mince in the last decade, I honestly can't remember anything he sings these days. But that lyric in The Little Things that goes "Oh I'm not a ghost now, can you see me? You need to see me" is quietly devastating and the type of self-doubt and insecurity you'd have heard from the younger Bono. For the absolute c*ntish megalomaniac reputation he has (relatively speaking, it's something I don't quite agree with because I don't know many frontmen who aren't up their own arses), it's surprising how earnest and insecure his lyrics are (or were). It's important to note that he lost his mother at the age of 13 and had a difficult relationship with his father, and if folk would actually pay attention, then you can blatantly hear the primal angst and spontaneous burst of adolescent emotions from the 20 year old Bono on the first three rough and hewn U2 albums. From The Unforgettable Fire onwards, it's a much more sombre Bono with less anger but a guy who is evidently growing up and is more yearning and reflective (especially when you listen to songs like Lemon and Mofo). And I personally get a great sense of emotional depth to U2 songs for that reason. You can't defend the indefensible they say, and Bono is indefensible if people want to jump on the popular bandwagon and resort to cliches about how much of a c*nt he is. But I honestly think there's a much much more complex frontman there than public opinion dictates. I don't think the guy is a c*nt - my perceptions of him are largely formed by what I hear him sing rather than the admittedly preening sanctimony he may preach at gigs or forums. As usual with most things, these simple labels of 'c*nt' or 'twat' just don't display the entire picture.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 17:55:35 GMT -5
went to the show sunday night. 'red hill mining town' was absolutely IMMENSE. i can't believe they kept that one, tucked away for 30 years without playing it live.
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Post by Headmaster on Jun 30, 2017 23:16:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 7:01:43 GMT -5
really can't argue with #1, although i would have went with streets. pride should have been in the top 5. and 'moment of surrender' at #8?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 1, 2017 12:33:02 GMT -5
It is so easy to rip on U2 for their clown like antics over the last decade plus and Bono's self righteousness but lets also not forget that this band was elite for almost 20 years. Tunes on tunes on tunes on tunes on tunes. Tremendous body of work and I've never been to a bad show by them live.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 1, 2017 12:48:11 GMT -5
A surprisingly solid list. Happy to see so many Zooropa and POP tunes make the list. The mid 90s were UNDERRATED times for U2. Dark stuff but brilliant material overall.
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Post by matt on Jul 1, 2017 14:54:06 GMT -5
Volcano and Breathe above Hold Me Thrill Me? Beyond the joke - I suppose Rolling Stone have to go some way to trying to justify their wild 5 star reviews of No Line and Songs of Innocence but that is pathetic. And Love Is Blindness only at 40? Terrible, it should be in the top five. Vertigo as high as 26? Every Breaking Wave is not their 13th greatest song. And I might sound like an iconoclast, but Pride really bores me - it's probably their most generic anthem along with Vertigo. And it sticks out like a sore thumb on The Unforgettable Fire - totally at odds with the feel of the album and shouldn't be on it at all.
For me, the top ten at the moment goes:
1. A Sort Of Homecoming 2. The Unforgettable Fire 3. New Years Day 4. Lemon 5. Love Is Blindness 6. The Fly 7. Stay (Faraway So Close) 8. I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For 9. Mofo 10. Running To Stand Still
Honourable mentions: All I Want Is You, Sunday Bloody Sunday, Tomorrow, October, The Electric Co, Until The End Of The World, Even Better Than The Real Thing, Walk On
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 1, 2017 17:04:50 GMT -5
Nice to see many POP songs on the list.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 18:42:36 GMT -5
A surprisingly solid list. Happy to see so many Zooropa and POP tunes make the list. The mid 90s were UNDERRATED times for U2. Dark stuff but brilliant material overall. ....and no less than 3 songs from 'no line on the horizon', one of which made the top 10. 'me a break.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 18:49:45 GMT -5
my top 10:
1- where the streets have no name 2- one 3- stay (faraway, so close!) 4- pride (in the name of love) 5- bad 6- new year's day 7- bullet the blue sky 8- with or without you 9- sunday bloody sunday 10- the wanderer (with johnny cash)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 18:50:28 GMT -5
Green light, Seven Eleven, You stop in for a pack of cigarettes. You don't smoke, don't even want to. Hey now, check your change. Dressed up like a car crash Your wheels are turnin' but you're upside down. You say when he hits you, you don't mind Because when he hurts you, you feel alive. Oh, is that what it is?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 18:56:08 GMT -5
I went out walking through streets paved with gold Lifted some stones, saw the skin and bones Of a city without a soul I went out walking under an atomic sky Where the ground won't turn and the rain it burns Like the tears when I said goodbye.
Yeah, I went with nothing, nothing but the thought of you. I went wandering.
I went drifting through the capitals of tin Where men can't walk or freely talk And sons turn their fathers in. I stopped outside a church house Where the citizens like to sit. They say they want the kingdom But they don't want God in it.
I went out riding down that old eight-lane I passed a thousand signs looking for my own name. I went with nothing but the thought you'd be there too, Looking for you.
I went out there in search of experience To taste and to touch and to feel as much As a man can before he repents.
I went out searching, looking for one good man A spirit who would not bend or break Who would sit at his father's right hand. I went out walking with a bible and a gun The word of God lay heavy on my heart I was sure I was the one.
Now Jesus, don't you wait up, Jesus I'll be home soon. Yeah, I went out for the papers, told her I'd be back by noon. Yeah, I left with nothing but the thought you'd be there too Looking for you.
Yeah, I went with nothing, nothing but the thought of you. I went wandering.
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 1, 2017 19:53:01 GMT -5
Why this song isn't on the list?
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Post by matt on Jul 2, 2017 3:57:42 GMT -5
I went out walking through streets paved with gold Lifted some stones, saw the skin and bones Of a city without a soul I went out walking under an atomic sky Where the ground won't turn and the rain it burns Like the tears when I said goodbye.
Yeah, I went with nothing, nothing but the thought of you. I went wandering.
I went drifting through the capitals of tin Where men can't walk or freely talk And sons turn their fathers in. I stopped outside a church house Where the citizens like to sit. They say they want the kingdom But they don't want God in it.
I went out riding down that old eight-lane I passed a thousand signs looking for my own name. I went with nothing but the thought you'd be there too, Looking for you.
I went out there in search of experience To taste and to touch and to feel as much As a man can before he repents.
I went out searching, looking for one good man A spirit who would not bend or break Who would sit at his father's right hand. I went out walking with a bible and a gun The word of God lay heavy on my heart I was sure I was the one.
Now Jesus, don't you wait up, Jesus I'll be home soon. Yeah, I went out for the papers, told her I'd be back by noon. Yeah, I left with nothing but the thought you'd be there too Looking for you.
Yeah, I went with nothing, nothing but the thought of you. I went wandering. Forgot about this one, beautiful song. Love those haunting harmonised backing vocals from The Edge and Brian Eno.
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