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Post by sgtpeppr on May 29, 2016 8:43:20 GMT -5
as has been said, the demos will basically be a naked version, so no. just the demos thanks.
i'll be surprised if we get more than 3 tho...
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 10:10:06 GMT -5
just upload this up on youtube and Ill happy. Maybe it's just me and the fella in the comments, but that sounds exactly like Liam's BHN vocal to me ripped over the top of someone's backing track? As ever could be magnificently wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time  well yea I thought so too (and still do to some degree) but someone here said it was a legit early mix when I posted it a while back so I don't know what to believe, either way whoever made that just just upload the whole thing. the guy who put this compilation together has it on there too |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 9:31:42 GMT -5
I get that both versions can exist at the same time, it would be interesting, and one version shouldn't affect the other version, so in that sense it's a meaningless question (Do you want another CD or not? Yeah, might as well have another if you're offering...) But I sort of see the question as being "Would a stripped back version of Be Here Now show the album at a different/interesting enough angle to justify releasing it?". In that sense I don't think it would work. It might end up being easier to pick out the different instruments and stuff if you're into that sort of thing, and the shorter running length might help eliminate "The Mid-'Be Here Now' Toilet Break", but I just don't see the point of it. Releasing rehashed old stuff happens unnecessarily with a lot of music and just ends up diluting artists' back catalogues. e.g. Bought Loveless from HMV last year and saw it had a bonus disc which was kinda exciting seeing as it didn't have the tracklisting on the back. Then to find out that the second disc was exactly the same as the first disc except for one was "Remastered From Original Tape" and the other was "Mastered From Original 1/2 Inch Analogue Tapes", with next to no difference between the two was a bit of a pisstake. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loveless_(album)If a stripped back version of Be Here Now was released, I'd put money on me giving it a listen or two and then going back to the 'classic' version unless it was a massive departure from the original (which would be more of a 'remix' than a 'stripped back' version). I know that's biased towards the original, but nothing will change the fact that the original's the one I heard first and means something to me and a stripped back version has very little chance of defining itself in its own right as a distinct separate equal to (or better than) the original. tl;dr I VOTED NO.  Ok, I think it's a big enough departure for DYKWIM to justify it  Structurally identical, but the amount of stuff that was completely obscured (i.e. strings/bass etc.) by the original which are now the focal point of the mix instead of guitars makes it worth it imo... (Still not 100% sure about the rest of the album though, depends whether there are actually enough other ideas available in the originals. Will think again after Mustique...) |
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Post by Adam on Jul 22, 2016 16:15:10 GMT -5
Any additional variations of this album would suit me down to the ground.
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Post by space75gr on Jul 23, 2016 2:06:35 GMT -5
seriously now, BHN is a great piece of music, its tunes, i dare to say, top any previous oasis album.
we all know the ''problems'' of the final result even if in its final form its still a great album, a legendary one that shits almost everything else. its perfect in its own imperfection.
BUT BHN deserves definitely a second chance. BHN is not just an album. Its an amazing album, with classic tracks and a piece of music like this deserves aNYTHING to bring it to the people again.
Mystique Demos seems like a first step in the right direction (if they r really good as people say), but its more for the oasis fanbase cause people hardly connect BHN tunes with Noel's voice (for that era).
next step is a rework of BHN,a rethink?a naked version? a shorter version? i dont know, anything...
bring the tunes to the people
bring 'dont go away' and 'stand by me', 'all around the world' and 'the girl in the dirty shirt' to the radio again, as acoustic numbers, make people notice again the brilliance of the tracks. again.
they have the voice (recordings). the have the tapes, the demos they have everything from that era.
they only need a great producer, a magician to make things work in a different way, its a technical thing, a studio result, so Noel or Liam dont have to work really hard about it.
make it sound like WTSMG make it sound like a lost 60s masterpiece.
whatever
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Post by mossy on Jul 23, 2016 3:04:58 GMT -5
It's not really naked though is it?
More like it took it's stupid novelty hat off, shined it's shoes and brushed it's teeth.
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Post by MacaRonic on Jul 23, 2016 4:42:46 GMT -5
After hearing the 'rethink' of DKWIM I'd only love to hear the whole album rethought. The songs don't even need be shorter or restructured, just stripped and cleaned up like DKWIM is. Oh, and do the b-sides too Noel while you're at it, and Heathen Chemistry. Thanks.
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Post by mossy on Jul 23, 2016 4:46:51 GMT -5
After hearing the 'rethink' of DKWIM I'd only love to hear the whole album rethought. The songs don't even need be shorter or restructured, just stripped and cleaned up like DKWIM is. Oh, and do the b-sides too Noel while you're at it, and Heathen Chemistry. Thanks. One song I'd like to see shortened is Magic Pie though. Shortening it to about 0 seconds should just about do it... |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Jul 23, 2016 4:54:26 GMT -5
I'm just hoping the Mustique demos are a good enough substitute for an edited BHN.
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Post by MacaRonic on Jul 23, 2016 5:25:47 GMT -5
After hearing the 'rethink' of DKWIM I'd only love to hear the whole album rethought. The songs don't even need be shorter or restructured, just stripped and cleaned up like DKWIM is. Oh, and do the b-sides too Noel while you're at it, and Heathen Chemistry. Thanks. One song I'd like to see shortened is Magic Pie though. Shortening it to about 0 seconds should just about do it... I think he was in the process of doing it all and came to 'Magic Pie' and thought fuck that, what am I gunna do with this? My guess anyway, I bet there's a rethink done of 'My Big Mouth' already. But someone already said it, if there was a chance of him remixing the whole album it was now or never... |
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Post by mrsifters80 on Jul 23, 2016 6:27:56 GMT -5
Hearing dykwim rethink version I'd Say yes please
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Post by kennerado on Jul 23, 2016 7:24:49 GMT -5
Magic Pie is quality!
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Post by headshrinker84 on Jul 23, 2016 10:34:23 GMT -5
Stand By Me and Don't Go Away rethinks would be so good.
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 23, 2016 10:52:34 GMT -5
If he ever "rethought" Magic Pie, maybe he could re-record the vocals? That would be a great and really unexpected change (and improvement!).
I actually want to somehow message Noel (on Instagram, send him a letter, smoke signals, whatever...) and just demand he rethink the rest of this fucking album. Don't Go Away is a classic waiting to happen, if only he'd get his act together.
*mutters various grumbles*
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jul 23, 2016 11:28:27 GMT -5
I've been adamantly opposed to the idea of BHN naked since the beginning, but after hearing the DYKWIM rethink, I'm actually intrigued. The new mix retained some of the character of the original while making it clearer and giving the song new life. The more I listen to the new DYKWIM, the more I want to hear how Noel polished (yes, "polished" is the right word, "stripped-back is not) the rest of BHN and its b-sides.
After hearing the overwhelmingly positive reception to the remix, I hope Noel does the right thing and releases all of BHN (and it's b-sides) in a remixed form, hopefully sooner rather than later. It would probably give a much-needed boost to Oasis's legacy, and convince the naysayers and elitists that Oasis really did release 3 masterpieces.
And while we're on the subject of remixing and polishing albums, can Noel please remix HFB next? That one needs an overhaul much more than BHN! I wanna be able to hear the guitars, church bells, wine glasses, female banking vocals, and whatever Dave Sardy has hidden from our ears!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 23, 2016 13:42:04 GMT -5
I've been adamantly opposed to the idea of BHN naked since the beginning, but after hearing the DYKWIM rethink, I'm actually intrigued. The new mix retained some of the character of the original while making it clearer and giving the song new life. The more I listen to the new DYKWIM, the more I want to hear how Noel polished (yes, "polished" is the right word, "stripped-back is not) the rest of BHN and its b-sides. After hearing the overwhelmingly positive reception to the remix, I hope Noel does the right thing and releases all of BHN (and it's b-sides) in a remixed form, hopefully sooner rather than later. It would probably give a much-needed boost to Oasis's legacy, and convince the naysayers and elitists that Oasis really did release 3 masterpieces. And while we're on the subject of remixing and polishing albums, can Noel please remix HFB next? That one needs an overhaul much more than BHN! I wanna be able to hear the guitars, church bells, wine glasses, female banking vocals, and whatever Dave Sardy has hidden from our ears! Even if Noel just did a handful of remixing of BHN. Some candidates for me would include: - My Big Mouth - All Around The World - It's Getting Better Man!!! Imagine My Big Mouth with a lot of the guitar clutter and feedback gone? |
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Post by supernovadragon on Jul 23, 2016 13:54:03 GMT -5
I've been adamantly opposed to the idea of BHN naked since the beginning, but after hearing the DYKWIM rethink, I'm actually intrigued. The new mix retained some of the character of the original while making it clearer and giving the song new life. The more I listen to the new DYKWIM, the more I want to hear how Noel polished (yes, "polished" is the right word, "stripped-back is not) the rest of BHN and its b-sides. After hearing the overwhelmingly positive reception to the remix, I hope Noel does the right thing and releases all of BHN (and it's b-sides) in a remixed form, hopefully sooner rather than later. It would probably give a much-needed boost to Oasis's legacy, and convince the naysayers and elitists that Oasis really did release 3 masterpieces. And while we're on the subject of remixing and polishing albums, can Noel please remix HFB next? That one needs an overhaul much more than BHN! I wanna be able to hear the guitars, church bells, wine glasses, female banking vocals, and whatever Dave Sardy has hidden from our ears! Even if Noel just did a handful of remixing of BHN. Some candidates for me would include: - My Big Mouth - All Around The World - It's Getting Better Man!!! Imagine My Big Mouth with a lot of the guitar clutter and feedback gone? Now that's the thing, I don't know about All Around The World. It's actually the one song from Be Here Now I never want mixed down or rethought because it truely is one of my most favourite Oasis songs of all time. Suppose it would be interesting but still, I love it too much |
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Post by mrsifters80 on Jul 23, 2016 13:57:03 GMT -5
I really hope for a complete rethink. I like Be Here Now, not alone for sentiments. But some songs are just too brickwalled (and too long). And therefore also too samey. The new remix shows that these songs can get some new energy when produced / remixed nicely. The rethink version at least adds some dynamics to the song.
The only reason I like BHN the way it is, is because it's a reflection of those times.
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Post by Manualex on Jul 23, 2016 14:50:39 GMT -5
I've been adamantly opposed to the idea of BHN naked since the beginning, but after hearing the DYKWIM rethink, I'm actually intrigued. The new mix retained some of the character of the original while making it clearer and giving the song new life. The more I listen to the new DYKWIM, the more I want to hear how Noel polished (yes, "polished" is the right word, "stripped-back is not) the rest of BHN and its b-sides. After hearing the overwhelmingly positive reception to the remix, I hope Noel does the right thing and releases all of BHN (and it's b-sides) in a remixed form, hopefully sooner rather than later. It would probably give a much-needed boost to Oasis's legacy, and convince the naysayers and elitists that Oasis really did release 3 masterpieces. And while we're on the subject of remixing and polishing albums, can Noel please remix HFB next? That one needs an overhaul much more than BHN! I wanna be able to hear the guitars, church bells, wine glasses, female banking vocals, and whatever Dave Sardy has hidden from our ears! Even if Noel just did a handful of remixing of BHN. Some candidates for me would include: - My Big Mouth - All Around The World - It's Getting Better Man!!! Imagine My Big Mouth with a lot of the guitar clutter and feedback gone? SO... This? |
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Post by Adam on Jul 23, 2016 18:35:40 GMT -5
I'd love to hear a re-thought version of Heathen Chemistry.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 19:04:15 GMT -5
It wouldn't suprise me if he finished it already and DYKWIM? was just a try-out and they are looking it will be recieved. I'm pretty sure, since we are all really positive about it, that they will release an Be Here Now Naked or Rethink or whatever.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 23, 2016 20:56:34 GMT -5
I'd love to hear a re-thought version of Heathen Chemistry. I'd be surprised if Noel and others took the time to do a similar presentation of that album as they have with Be Here Now. It doesn't occupy the same historical importance in the band's history, nor in all fairness does it have a similar potential selection of extras such as Mustique, Right Here Right Now and outtake footage, etc. I think if/more likely when it is reissued it will be along the lines of the prior two reissues, i.e. the album plus b-sides, a few demos (which could themselves be interesting if any other songs had similar treatment to The Hindu Times) and a couple of live versions. |
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Post by Adam on Jul 24, 2016 5:36:37 GMT -5
I'd love to hear a re-thought version of Heathen Chemistry. I'd be surprised if Noel and others took the time to do a similar presentation of that album as they have with Be Here Now. It doesn't occupy the same historical importance in the band's history, nor in all fairness does it have a similar potential selection of extras such as Mustique, Right Here Right Now and outtake footage, etc. I think if/more likely when it is reissued it will be along the lines of the prior two reissues, i.e. the album plus b-sides, a few demos (which could themselves be interesting if any other songs had similar treatment to The Hindu Times) and a couple of live versions. I doubt Noel would ever be bothered to do it but it could certainly do with some work. |
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Post by asdfgjhkl19 on Jul 27, 2016 18:14:42 GMT -5
It amazes me the amount of people who were opposed to a BHN naked-type thing, but now after listening to the DYKWIM rethink they're like "oh wow yeah, this is actually a lot better". Well, yeah. What were people expecting? This is all the people in favour of BHN naked ever wanted. We're not asking for a reggae rework of all the songs. We just want to be able to hear some of the instruments. It'd still be the same songs. They spent a lot of time and money recording all these different instruments for BHN and we can't hear any of them underneath all the fucking noise. It's a waste. Just listen to Stand By Me. You can hear the strings in certain parts and it sounds really good but for the most part they're overpowered by the guitars. If the guitars were stripped back a bit Stand By Me would be considered as iconic as Whatever or DLBIA, but as it stands it's just too noisy. Same thing with DGA. Don't Go Away is the softest song on the album and it's still louder than almost everything on Morning Glory. The DYKWIM rethink just proves how badly Owen Morris fucked up the album. SOTSOG is average, but production-wise going from BHN to SOTSOG is like night and day. SOTSOG actually sounds like a professionally made album as opposed to some noise recorded in a garage.
Some of the songs can stay as they are. IHITIK is alright for example. But SBM, DGA and AATW need a rethink. Surely Noel could've at least done all the singles. I'm not surprised he gave up after My Big Mouth though. He probably forgot how bad - and long - Magic Pie is and couldn't bear continuing once he heard it. That about sums up Be Here Now. Starts really strong. Then My Big Mouth is pretty solid. Then you get halfway thru Magic Pie and all the life starts to leave your body
He should've done the 4 singles tho no matter what. They're the biggest, and probably best, songs on the album and they could all benefit from it. All Around the World has a whole orchestra going on but u can hardly hear it sometimes because everything is just so loud. There's sounds I've never heard in the DYKWIM rethink. Just imagine what other cool stuff Owen Morris buried in the rest of the songs. fucking hell!!!!!!!!
I actually don't know why anybody is against a BHN naked. The original BHN still exists. Nobody's going to take it away from you. and I think most of us can agree the DYKWIM rethink is an improvement
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 7:22:31 GMT -5
People should be naked, not albums!
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