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Post by Jgrp on Jan 13, 2017 18:53:33 GMT -5
I think the campaign before the album was actually really good. Plus the acoustic shows after at Absolute, everyone on this forum was buzzing for all that stuff. Think everyone's being a bit 'know it all' now tbh Im assuming your talking about abbey road on absolute which yea was good but what did they really do before the album released? oui fm? that was good but it was french radio, I doubt it really gave them anymore sales, alot of people didnt know who they were in the UK, jools holland was ok though people didnt really like SBOTA or soul love from reactions so maybe didnt pick the right songs. how is it "know it all" when their campaign clearly fell apart at the seems when all the stuff with Liams affair came out then gem got injured, beady eye clearly kept stumbling on that cycle and it finished the band off as soon as beady eye hit the festivals Liam was singing like a walrus on a bad day which wouldnt of done much for their wider appeal. I remember on the first gig they did on that tour I said something about Liam not really looking into it all that much, he just looked bored and pissed off for a first gig when he should be on point, something just felt very off about the whole thing after the album came out, probably because all that journalist shit was bubbling up behind the scenes. I remember a lot of people on here saying they would be surprised if they did a 3rd album and the cycle was piss poor for the most part, it isnt just retrospective. Abbey Road Absolut XFM Jools Holland Ibiza Rocks T in The Park The Voice Rough Trade New Slang Alan Carr My point is that it wasn't from lack of trying. Feel free to blame it on Liam looking pissed off, or people not liking soul love, or Liam didn't smile, or Gem was in an accident, or Liam had a divorce, or perhaps people will just never like Liam outside of oasis, or whatever they did it was going to flop. Can't blame it on them not trying |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 13, 2017 22:59:29 GMT -5
Im assuming your talking about abbey road on absolute which yea was good but what did they really do before the album released? oui fm? that was good but it was french radio, I doubt it really gave them anymore sales, alot of people didnt know who they were in the UK, jools holland was ok though people didnt really like SBOTA or soul love from reactions so maybe didnt pick the right songs. how is it "know it all" when their campaign clearly fell apart at the seems when all the stuff with Liams affair came out then gem got injured, beady eye clearly kept stumbling on that cycle and it finished the band off as soon as beady eye hit the festivals Liam was singing like a walrus on a bad day which wouldnt of done much for their wider appeal. I remember on the first gig they did on that tour I said something about Liam not really looking into it all that much, he just looked bored and pissed off for a first gig when he should be on point, something just felt very off about the whole thing after the album came out, probably because all that journalist shit was bubbling up behind the scenes. I remember a lot of people on here saying they would be surprised if they did a 3rd album and the cycle was piss poor for the most part, it isnt just retrospective. Abbey Road Absolut
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Alan CarrMy point is that it wasn't from lack of trying. Feel free to blame it on Liam looking pissed off, or people not liking soul love, or Liam didn't smile, or Gem was in an accident, or Liam had a divorce, or perhaps people will just never like Liam outside of oasis, or whatever they did it was going to flop. Can't blame it on them not trying Agreed. The public didn't bite. For a myriad of reasons....but Beady Eye did more savvy promotion on BE than Oasis ever did in their post-2000 phase. People act like Beady Eye sat on their hands and did nothing. As if, if they had a guru then they would have been a major band. But when an appearance on The Voice, one of the biggest shows in the world, isn't moving the needle for you, then there are deeper issues. Their one big failure was the early release of FOTF. However, even with that, was anyone beyond loyal Oasis-fans combing through the image clues on their website? Was that leak really the back breaker? I don't think so. At least, it shouldn't have been. If that's a back breaker, then once again, there are deeper issues. In the end, the writing was on the wall for a sales regression the second DGSS hit the shelves, and nothing was going to stop it. No amount of promotion is going to get people to listen to a group of guys who were already known as the talentless bunch, who had a sub-par debut, who struggled to write a song that had some melodic development, with a lead singer who's already despised, who then has a love child by cheating on his wife. What commercial spot is fixing that? What grand promotional strategy is fixing that? Beady Eye weren't as sellable a product as Liam and co. thought it would be, or anyone on this forum thought it would be. That's why it ended. But BE's promotion was solid. They did everything a new band has to do, and everything a new band wished they could do. |
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Post by tezza198 on Jan 14, 2017 2:43:38 GMT -5
Yeah just having the Liam Gallagher name just sells. And I'm sure his promotion team would know that. People associate his name under the oasis brand which is a global brand, everyone knows who Liam & Noel is they are extremely well known throughout the world. However, with Beady Eye, know one besides loyal fans knew who the fuck they were. It was like starting from scratch.
If Liam has a solid album I can see a lot of success, and I'm glad he has just kept it as Liam Gallagher not some side name like Noel.
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Post by Jgrp on Jan 14, 2017 3:44:01 GMT -5
Abbey Road Absolut
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Jools Holland
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The Voice
Rough Trade
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Alan CarrMy point is that it wasn't from lack of trying. Feel free to blame it on Liam looking pissed off, or people not liking soul love, or Liam didn't smile, or Gem was in an accident, or Liam had a divorce, or perhaps people will just never like Liam outside of oasis, or whatever they did it was going to flop. Can't blame it on them not trying Agreed. The public didn't bite. For a myriad of reasons....but Beady Eye did more savvy promotion on BE than Oasis ever did in their post-2000 phase. People act like Beady Eye sat on their hands and did nothing. As if, if they had a guru then they would have been a major band. But when an appearance on The Voice, one of the biggest shows in the world, isn't moving the needle for you, then there are deeper issues. Their one big failure was the early release of FOTF. However, even with that, was anyone beyond loyal Oasis-fans combing through the image clues on their website? Was that leak really the back breaker? I don't think so. At least, it shouldn't have been. If that's a back breaker, then once again, there are deeper issues. In the end, the writing was on the wall for a sales regression the second DGSS hit the shelves, and nothing was going to stop it. No amount of promotion is going to get people to listen to a group of guys who were already known as the talentless bunch, who had a sub-par debut, who struggled to write a song that had some melodic development, with a lead singer who's already despised, who then has a love child by cheating on his wife. What commercial spot is fixing that? What grand promotional strategy is fixing that? Beady Eye weren't as sellable a product as Liam and co. thought it would be, or anyone on this forum thought it would be. That's why it ended. But BE's promotion was solid. They did everything a new band has to do, and everything a new band wished they could do. Agree with all this. Amen to 'but Beady Eye did more savvy promotion on BE than Oasis ever did in their post-2000 phase. '. Spot on. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 14, 2017 4:07:32 GMT -5
Yeah just having the Liam Gallagher name just sells. And I'm sure his promotion team would know that. People associate his name under the oasis brand which is a global brand, everyone knows who Liam & Noel is they are extremely well known throughout the world. However, with Beady Eye, know one besides loyal fans knew who the fuck they were. It was like starting from scratch. If Liam has a solid album I can see a lot of success, and I'm glad he has just kept it as Liam Gallagher not some side name like Noel. Agreeing with spaneli 's post I think he has to with this effort, as BE were known as only a name if at all for a lot of the wider public who knew Oasis. "A lot of success" depends on what your target is, personally after BE I think a platinum disc in the UK (300,000) a successful tour and well received overseas dates would be a success with anything beyond that considered a very welcome bonus. As to NGHFB the concept behind the name isn't a bad idea in terms of a fluid line up, and crucially it has 'Noel Gallagher' in the title regardless of the rest of the words. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 14, 2017 4:48:40 GMT -5
Doubt the love child thing had much to do with it. Don't know why people keep dragging that in here.
The man already had 3 children by 3 different women while in Oasis. He had cheated on both of his wives numerous times. Oasis still did pretty well didn't they?
I agree with Spaneli. The public just didn't bite.
Wonder how Liam's solo career will go. There will always be people who won't give him a chance, because they dislike him already, whether it's for his personality or "lack of talent".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 7:22:47 GMT -5
Im assuming your talking about abbey road on absolute which yea was good but what did they really do before the album released? oui fm? that was good but it was french radio, I doubt it really gave them anymore sales, alot of people didnt know who they were in the UK, jools holland was ok though people didnt really like SBOTA or soul love from reactions so maybe didnt pick the right songs. how is it "know it all" when their campaign clearly fell apart at the seems when all the stuff with Liams affair came out then gem got injured, beady eye clearly kept stumbling on that cycle and it finished the band off as soon as beady eye hit the festivals Liam was singing like a walrus on a bad day which wouldnt of done much for their wider appeal. I remember on the first gig they did on that tour I said something about Liam not really looking into it all that much, he just looked bored and pissed off for a first gig when he should be on point, something just felt very off about the whole thing after the album came out, probably because all that journalist shit was bubbling up behind the scenes. I remember a lot of people on here saying they would be surprised if they did a 3rd album and the cycle was piss poor for the most part, it isnt just retrospective. Abbey Road Absolut XFM Jools Holland Ibiza Rocks T in The Park The Voice Rough Trade New Slang Alan Carr My point is that it wasn't from lack of trying. Feel free to blame it on Liam looking pissed off, or people not liking soul love, or Liam didn't smile, or Gem was in an accident, or Liam had a divorce, or perhaps people will just never like Liam outside of oasis, or whatever they did it was going to flop. Can't blame it on them not trying well Im hardly blaming beady eyes failure on Liam not smiling enough am I? my point is that Liam seemed to be disconnected with beady eye anyway because things maybe wernt going the way he wanted them to, just proving my point that people are not being " know it alls" about their issues like anyone was saying "oh I didnt see that coming" because people clearly did, DGSS was a poor start and BE didnt do enough to set them right so why would they do a 3rd album? just because you try hard doesnt mean its going to get you anywhere, I disagree that "whatever they did was going to flop" because their songs simply wernt up to enough, people gave flick enough praise when it came out but SBOTA was a shit follow up, you cant simply say "they did everything right, it just didnt work". |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 14, 2017 13:43:12 GMT -5
Doubt the love child thing had much to do with it. Don't know why people keep dragging that in here. The man already had 3 children by 3 different women while in Oasis. He had cheated on both of his wives numerous times. Oasis still did pretty well didn't they? I agree with Spaneli. The public just didn't bite. Wonder how Liam's solo career will go. There will always be people who won't give him a chance, because they dislike him already, whether it's for his personality or "lack of talent". He had three children while in Oasis. Key word, Oasis. It was much easier to attack him with a less successful act. The love child incident was the final nail in the coffin of the image "most" people had of him. A rock star who hadn't grown up because he still thought he was a rock star, when in reality, he's washed up. His age and the non-success of his current project made it more devastating than I think some realize. |
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Post by thestylecouncil on Jan 14, 2017 16:25:24 GMT -5
Vote for Liam and Oasis in the NME awards 2017! Liam is nominated as Hero of the year and Oasis for best re issue (Be Here Now) and music film (Supersonic)  awards.nme.com/ |
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I think all the legit sites that actually go out and get news just so the NME can simply copy and paste it into their own articles should get the award tbh.  |
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Jan 16, 2017 6:45:45 GMT -5
I honestly think this will be the year of Liam. Great tunes, a mix of small nice gigs and big ones. I wanna have a chart war in August  |
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Post by draper on Jan 16, 2017 6:48:38 GMT -5
I honestly think this will be the year of Liam. Great tunes, a mix of small nice gigs and big ones. I wanna have a chart war in August You think his album will still be in the charts in august if it gets released in april?  |
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Jan 16, 2017 6:50:11 GMT -5
I honestly think this will be the year of Liam. Great tunes, a mix of small nice gigs and big ones. I wanna have a chart war in August You think his album will still be in the charts in august if it gets released in april? Yes it will. But i meant singles |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 8:34:49 GMT -5
I honestly think this will be the year of Liam. Great tunes, a mix of small nice gigs and big ones. I wanna have a chart war in August I have my hopes to see Liam play big venues again tbh like Noel has been doing with the O2 etc, I cant really see it happening but then again I dont see why not, would be great to see Liam playing his solo tunes / oasis tunes to big crowds again, I dont mind the smaller venues but it became the only thing beady eye could realistically do all the time, think that was probably another thing Liam disliked as it was probably hard to do after the scale oasis brought. guess it hangs on how well his solo album goes down. |
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Post by Rolo on Jan 16, 2017 8:58:18 GMT -5
I just hope he leads with his strongest song on the album, the first thing we hear from him needs to give a big impact!
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Jan 18, 2017 0:48:09 GMT -5
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Post by tezza198 on Jan 18, 2017 0:56:37 GMT -5
I just hope he leads with his strongest song on the album, the first thing we hear from him needs to give a big impact! I wonder how much pressure he's under... would he be nervous ect? Seeing as this is the first time he's truly put his balls on the line in his career I wonder how he's feeling... I don't think I've ever looked forward to anything more in my life! But therefore I'm not going in with high expectations so I don't getdisappointed in the unlikely event that it isn't great,, like a movie you've wanted to see for a long time. |
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Post by draper on Jan 18, 2017 2:03:34 GMT -5
Having a listen to BE this morning in the lead-up to this new Liam era.
Missed his voice! Those first tracks are great, Flick & Soul Love.
Personally I love that album. It came in a time short after the break-up with my ex.
It gave me hope & something to look forward to. Played it lots and went to two great gigs.
I kept on feeling better & better during that era, good memories.
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Post by Rolo on Jan 19, 2017 9:23:05 GMT -5
That Lionize at 3:39  Always loved Shine A Light live when I saw them, one of the highlights for me. |
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Post by Rolo on Jan 19, 2017 15:05:58 GMT -5
If Liam gets to level of the vocals on the videos above on the upcoming tour I'll be very happy. He was on fucking fire at the start of the DGSS tour.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 15:19:51 GMT -5
Having a listen to BE this morning in the lead-up to this new Liam era. Missed his voice! Those first tracks are great, Flick & Soul Love. Personally I love that album. It came in a time short after the break-up with my ex. It gave me hope & something to look forward to. Played it lots and went to two great gigs. I kept on feeling better & better during that era, good memories. Soul Love Shine a Light Don't Brother Me Start Anew The World's Not Set in Stone Evil Eye Liam's song were great on BE. He definitely gets better. |
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Post by elroymeltzer on Jan 19, 2017 15:56:13 GMT -5
If Liam gets to level of the vocals on the videos above on the upcoming tour I'll be very happy. He was on fucking fire at the start of the DGSS tour. Can't put much stock in crowd shot videos for sound quality. I think you're grasping at straws in the example department. Soundboard/pro shot gigs seem to tell a different story. Now had you used the live on Letterman videos which if I remember correctly LG sounded really good on, I could possibly agree. Either way, on fire is suspect rating at best. |
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Post by Rolo on Jan 19, 2017 16:41:17 GMT -5
If Liam gets to level of the vocals on the videos above on the upcoming tour I'll be very happy. He was on fucking fire at the start of the DGSS tour. Can't put much stock in crowd shot videos for sound quality. I think you're grasping at straws in the example department. Soundboard/pro shot gigs seem to tell a different story. Now had you used the live on Letterman videos which if I remember correctly LG sounded really good on, I could possibly agree. Either way, on fire is suspect rating at best. The first video is more than good enough quality to see that he's singing very well, especially The Beat Goes On. |
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Post by Rolo on Jan 28, 2017 6:50:17 GMT -5
Don't care what you say about Beady Eye, you can't deny they were fucking great live.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 7:04:07 GMT -5
Don't care what you say about Beady Eye, you can't deny they were fucking great live. really depends on whether Liams into it or not, they sound pretty soulless when Liams totally off form form my view. if Liam sounds really good then yea they are pretty damn decent but if hes not their sets are abit of a drag, more so on the DGSS tour due to the empty atmosphere of many tunes. |
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