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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Mar 10, 2016 14:07:24 GMT -5
Was the choice of Dave Sitek as producer a devoted choice by the band and Liam or was it a totally submissive reaction, that was suggested by the label and the band, towards the lack of big success for DGSS?
If Beady Eye recorded the songs which they originally intended, with their first choice Artist/Producer at the time, Dan Auerbach, it would have been a much more mature effort.
I think LG's opinion of Sitek was always pretty indifferent.
I was just thinking about the lyrics of The Second Bite Of The Apple: "The world is up, if you are tough enough", that sound quite insincere considering the outcome for the band , especially when we think about the Voice performance, their attempt to reach a younger audience. I think this indecisiveness is destructive.
On the plus side, we got one of their best songs like Flick of the Finger and Shine a light.
On the negative side: i would say, "screwed up songs" like Face The Crowd took the place of more underrated songs like Off at The Next Exit.
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Post by freddy838 on Mar 10, 2016 15:50:28 GMT -5
I think there are many things wrong with BE and Sitek isn't really one of them. Was it really necessary to have so many songs written by Liam on there? It's almost like he needed to have the most songs as he is the most famous, when their two most accomplished songs were by Gem and left off the album.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 16:02:58 GMT -5
I think Liam wrote the best Beady Eye tune, Evil Eye, which was not even included on the album. A shame, really.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Mar 10, 2016 16:06:01 GMT -5
I think there are many things wrong with BE and Sitek isn't really one of them. Was it really necessary to have so many songs written by Liam on there? It's almost like he needed to have the most songs as he is the most famous, when their two most accomplished songs were by Gem and left off the album. Well, I think Don't Brother Me is a song that could easily be replaced. Although I like the outro, I think it doesn't fit to the rest of the song. Start Anew is also a good production effort. My overall problem with the Beady Eye recordings is, that Liam's vocal sound almost too present and in the case of the BE sessions were recorded before the instrumental parts. Therefor I think the songs sound too quite and poppy. I miss the "band sound". |
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Mar 10, 2016 16:09:18 GMT -5
I prefer the production of Dig Out Your Soul for example, where Noel has to almost scream during falling down to sing loud enough: "Catch the wheel that breaks the butterfly". Maybe I've got the problem wit NGHFB too.
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Post by Jailbird on Mar 10, 2016 16:12:19 GMT -5
I liked Sitek's production.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Mar 10, 2016 16:12:43 GMT -5
That's what I mean with band sound and what I miss.
I don't want to take a stand against Sitek. But I think it worked on some songs better than on others.
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Post by Johnny Rhythm on Mar 10, 2016 16:49:35 GMT -5
i loved siteks production, worked perfectly for BE if you ask me, as to whether it was a submissive choice i reckon it was yeah
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Post by guigsysEstring on Mar 10, 2016 18:30:40 GMT -5
Definitely would have said Sony Music and/or Quest Management leant on the band to try a different approach after DGSS, although whether Sitek specifically was pushed forward or was one of a number of options presented is another matter.
For what it's worth I actually liked his production on the record.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 10, 2016 20:27:51 GMT -5
Submissive choice? No. The RIGHT choice? Yes.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Mar 11, 2016 5:18:03 GMT -5
The best choice!
The only problem was, this should have happene with the first album! As much as I like DGSS I get why most of the people just see a nostalgia fest. The sings are fun but the album itself is nothing conpared to BE. BE has a flow it sometimes feels like a concept album although it isn't whereas DGSS was a bunch of, part cool and great, leftovers.
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Post by andymorris on Mar 11, 2016 6:04:24 GMT -5
Good choice of producer although there's a couple of weak tracks.
it's the tracklisting and single choices that made the record tank. Most bsides are better.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Mar 11, 2016 9:25:09 GMT -5
Definitely a good choice, and so frustratingly close to making it a really good record...but as usual, the wrong songs ended up on the album, the wrong songs were released as singles, and they were lacking maybe one or two more standout tracks.
I agree with the idea that a Sitek-produced BDI debut would have caught people by surprise and actually established them as a serious band instead of a cheap Oasis knockoff.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Mar 11, 2016 14:50:15 GMT -5
Definitely a good choice, and so frustratingly close to making it a really good record...but as usual, the wrong songs ended up on the album, the wrong songs were released as singles, and they were lacking maybe one or two more standout tracks. I agree with the idea that a Sitek-produced BDI debut would have caught people by surprise and actually established them as a serious band instead of a cheap Oasis knockoff. I'll second that! |
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Mar 15, 2016 6:06:44 GMT -5
I enjoyed especially the Dave Siteks more conceptional production on tracks like Flick of The Finger, Soul Love, Second Bite Of The Apple, Shine A Light and Start Anew and I still would like to hear more of it.
A full Maximum Balloon/ Liam Gallagher collaborative LP would be something to look forward to.
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Post by idleroses on Mar 15, 2016 9:52:22 GMT -5
The majority of BE had a very atmospheric feeling so it was the right choice at the end of the day imo, DGSS was just sterile and watered down.
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 15, 2016 20:53:53 GMT -5
He was a great choice actually, BE sounds modern, the production is much more interesting than those on DGSS.
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Post by andymorris on Mar 16, 2016 5:41:44 GMT -5
Just had another listen at DGSS yesterday, it does sound really weak compared to BE.
In fact the best song is World Outside My Room, and it's the closest sounding to BE...
Beady Eye gave up too easily
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 8:08:05 GMT -5
Just had another listen at DGSS yesterday, it does sound really weak compared to BE. In fact the best song is World Outside My Room, and it's the closest sounding to BE... Beady Eye gave up too easilyThe did not give up... they were forced out by making music that nobody wanted outside of die-hards. I'm sure the labels are all very much okay with them hanging it up. |
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Post by andymorris on Mar 16, 2016 8:39:44 GMT -5
The did not give up... they were forced out by making music that nobody wanted outside of die-hards. I'm sure the labels are all very much okay with them hanging it up. Many bands live well with way less fans than beady eye. they gave up (and by they i mean Liam) |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 16, 2016 13:46:41 GMT -5
Just had another listen at DGSS yesterday, it does sound really weak compared to BE. In fact the best song is World Outside My Room, and it's the closest sounding to BE... Beady Eye gave up too easilyThe did not give up... they were forced out by making music that nobody wanted outside of die-hards. I'm sure the labels are all very much okay with them hanging it up.  You can't help yourself can you. Everything points to Liam jacking it in (as andymorris points out) because of both professional and personal reasons. |
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Mar 16, 2016 14:57:11 GMT -5
Liam Gallagher was reduced only to prejudices by the press and fans and he didn't do much to help this either. Only longtime fans or people who didn't know the person, had a real chance to get in the music free of prejudices towards him.
It wasn't the music after all. But maybe the lack of acknowledgement of one's faults to not make it as big as Oasis - A goal you can only fail to reach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 15:06:08 GMT -5
The did not give up... they were forced out by making music that nobody wanted outside of die-hards. I'm sure the labels are all very much okay with them hanging it up. You can't help yourself can you. Everything points to Liam jacking it in (as andymorris points out) because of both professional and personal reasons. You can say they gave up, but the industry did their best to drive them out. Sure... Liam would never be content to play gigs to 100 people in a venue no one cares about, so they quit. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 16, 2016 16:30:46 GMT -5
You can't help yourself can you. Everything points to Liam jacking it in (as andymorris points out) because of both professional and personal reasons. You can say they gave up, but the industry did their best to drive them out. Sure... Liam would never be content to play gigs to 100 people in a venue no one cares about, so they quit. Anything to back up the industtry driving them out? They weren't playing gigs to 100 people in venues nobody cares about. |
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Mar 16, 2016 16:56:38 GMT -5
A great idea and its a shame they didnt have a few more good songs to suit his style. Imagine if he produced the 1st album? How different would it have been?
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You can't help yourself can you. Everything points to Liam jacking it in (as andymorris points out) because of both professional and personal reasons. 
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