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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 24, 2007 19:04:55 GMT -5
Does it piss you off about all the mega B-Sides Oasis have that never made any albums?
It does my head in. And it's one of my few grievances about Oasis.
Acquiesce, Masterplan, Let's All Make Believe, Revolution Song/Solve My Mystery, Sad Song, Full On, Idler's Dream, Stay Young....
The list goes on and on
Think how much bigger Oasis would be if those songs made an album
Think what-if The Masterplan was an actual album and came before (or after BHN).
Does anyone know why Noel cocked up? Did he really think the above songs were shit? He's already on record for saying how much a mistake it was for leaving Acquiesce as a b-side. What was he thinking at the time!?!!?
Whatever, we can all listen to these songs. We know about them all.
But no one else does. Which is annoying here in the US where Oasis is under rated like no other.
Americans loves WTSMG. If the Masterplan was a proper album following WTS, Americans would have picked it up and loved it too...2 albums in a row, they would have broken the US....
Surely that has to be Noel's biggest regret?
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Post by burnadesert on Nov 24, 2007 20:43:26 GMT -5
I understand exactly what you mean. I once read an interview (pre-'SotSoG) and Noel actually joked around about Oasis b-sides being better than some of their albums. He is aware that Oasis b-sides are also just as great as most of the album tracks they've released, but you must keep in mind that b-sides can also be used to sell things (singles, import versions of albums, etc.). I'm not saying that's why they left some of their best songs off, but it could very well be a large part of the reason why.
Hell, Oasis could have even thrown 5-10 tracks together for a few EP's back during their so-called peak, but they never did. It really is too bad.
Anyway, their b-sides are good and it is very annoying how they decided to leave some of them off of their official albums
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Post by Clint on Nov 24, 2007 22:52:48 GMT -5
who cares? we get to listen to and enjoy the songs
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Post by Marcos on Nov 24, 2007 23:35:08 GMT -5
what pisses me off is Solve My Mistery (Revolution Song)
beautiful song, i love it!
and it's not even a b-side
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Post by seanppp on Nov 25, 2007 2:01:04 GMT -5
I think that the albums are great AND the B-sides are great. As Noel said in the Definitely Maybe DVD, "I don't write shit songs." Would you rather Oasis just put all those great B-sides out as albums instead, then just have garbage B-sides like everyone else? Basically all their material is good. I think it's something we should be happy about rather than annoyed by.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Nov 25, 2007 6:25:52 GMT -5
Would you rather Oasis just put all those great B-sides out as albums instead, then just have garbage B-sides like everyone else? Don't Believe The Truth? |
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Post by niftium on Nov 25, 2007 11:58:51 GMT -5
Would you rather Oasis just put all those great B-sides out as albums instead, then just have garbage B-sides like everyone else? Don't Believe The Truth? Win. |
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Post by nyr401994 on Nov 25, 2007 23:36:06 GMT -5
yep. look at sotsog. if 'little james,' 'put your money where yer mouth is,' 'i can see a liar' and 'where did it all go wrong' had been replaced with 'let's all make believe,' '(as long as they've got) cigarettes in hell,' 'one way road' and 'carry us all,' it would be regarded as a classic.
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Post by Marcos on Nov 26, 2007 16:38:17 GMT -5
yep. look at sotsog. if 'little james,' 'put your money where yer mouth is,' 'i can see a liar' and 'where did it all go wrong' had been replaced with 'let's all make believe,' '(as long as they've got) cigarettes in hell,' 'one way road' and 'carry us all,' it would be regarded as a classic. where did it all go wrong is an amazing tune in my opinion i agree about Little James, Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is and I Can See A Liar |
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Post by ducci on Nov 26, 2007 18:08:41 GMT -5
noel totally screwed up the late 90's. Oasis should be so much bigger in the states! and don't give me that "who cares, as long as we like them" bullcrap either. I care because i want everyone else to know how great they are. They should be huge, like U2 huge, but they can't even sellout stadiums in the states anymore. Sad. There is nothing worse than wasted potential. All those who say otherwise probably don't live in the U.SA. and have no idea what their talking about. Remember just like liam says, " Nobody wants to be big anymore". Well they could have been a lot bigger, and Oasis wanted to be the biggest fuckin band in the world??? They screwed up in America...end of story.
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Post by jlzoasis on Nov 26, 2007 20:37:50 GMT -5
noel totally screwed up the late 90's. Oasis should be so much bigger in the states! and don't give me that "who cares, as long as we like them" bullcrap either. I care because i want everyone else to know how great they are. They should be huge, like U2 huge, but they can't even sellout stadiums in the states anymore. Sad. There is nothing worse than wasted potential. All those who say otherwise probably don't live in the U.SA. and have no idea what their talking about. Remember just like liam says, " Nobody wants to be big anymore". Well they could have been a lot bigger, and Oasis wanted to be the biggest fuckin band in the world??? They screwed up in America...end of story. being an american myself, most people here have the MOST awful music taste. honestly Oasis is right, America is not worth it.... you just get knobs like Booker from Krock (the moron in LDSMD) asking dumb ass questions. They will never be an Arena band over here, what they do have is ALOT of diehard oasis fans....plus who wants to pay 162.00 bucks for a ticket to see Oasis (like U2) to see them in a huge arena....then pay $30.00 to see them in a medium size venue with the chance to meet them after? I take the lather, and trust me I know what I am talking about. As for wasted potential, nearly 50 million albums sold? Wasted potential? Who cares if you can't get main stream america to like you? Most of them think Britteny Spears "Gimme More" is a great fuckin song!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Nov 26, 2007 22:01:17 GMT -5
Dude I agree with Jen, I bought front row oasis seats in Houston for $45 each. Same tix in London would cost me my firstbon child!
Besides, the b-sides have gotten weaker lately, epecially when they just toss on a live version. I really hate that!
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Post by caro on Nov 27, 2007 17:05:17 GMT -5
noel totally screwed up the late 90's. Oasis should be so much bigger in the states! and don't give me that "who cares, as long as we like them" bullcrap either. I care because i want everyone else to know how great they are. They should be huge, like U2 huge, but they can't even sellout stadiums in the states anymore. Sad. There is nothing worse than wasted potential. All those who say otherwise probably don't live in the U.SA. and have no idea what their talking about. Remember just like liam says, " Nobody wants to be big anymore". Well they could have been a lot bigger, and Oasis wanted to be the biggest fuckin band in the world??? They screwed up in America...end of story. you guys need to realise that music in the USA is not any worse than anywhere else!!! oasis is not big in the USA... so what?! they've toured extensively there and most of their fans have been able to attend at least once i dont see where the problem is i was at buffalo wild wings the other night and someone who was not me or my bf put Champagne Supernova on the jukebox that was really nice what were the odds?!!! lol back to the topic... oasis has tons of good b sides but i really dont think that including them on an album would have made them bigger or more successful the problem was noel and liam's somehow unprofessional behavior at the time their albums were good enough without some extra good songs on a different album or included in the existing albums the only ppl who would have been pleased are the hard core fans (like us prob) live4evr i thought you would know the story behind acquiese... they needed a b side and noel made that one it was so good that everybody wanted it on the album but noel was like: you needed a b side, here's one, i can't help it if it's fuckin good and whoever said the b sides are weak now, i totally agree a sides are weak as well so...  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 27, 2007 19:14:42 GMT -5
Jen for President!
Yeah, Caro, the music is the same everywhere. BUT it's not as diverse in the US. People here either listen to shitty pop music, or rap - which is even worse
Just look at the bands that have come out since around 2000:
Libertines, Twang, Bloc Party, The Enemy, Arctic Monkeys, Coldplay (yawn), Hard-FI, Holloways, Kasabian
And how about the best/biggest bands of all time:
Beatles, Oasis, U2, Stone Roses, Smiths, Rolling Stones (i cant stand them personally),
It's no coincidence they are all British (and Irish in U2's case).
Yeah, sure, America has produced Nirvana, and Chili Peppers
But simple fact is that the brits produce the better music
You've been through your rap phase where everyone listens to that shit. Over here, that's been going on since the mid 90s and there seems no end in site.
You forget, other than rap, America produces shit bands like Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco etc
And they dont even know most of the English bands listed above. It's truly shocking. And frustrating.
You go to a dorm party here, and all anyone plays is rap. Fuckin horrible shit. Guess it says something about rap - you can only listen to it when your drunk off your ass.
Fuckin yanks.
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Post by catcher8587 on Nov 27, 2007 22:19:21 GMT -5
The Rolling Stones are from America? They could've fooled me with that British accent when I went to see them.  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 27, 2007 23:45:52 GMT -5
haha my bad...dont know wtf i was thinking
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Post by NowhereLad on Nov 28, 2007 9:10:49 GMT -5
what gets me is that noel wrote or released three albums worth of songs in two years
Rock 'n' Roll Star, Shakermaker, Live Forever, Up in the Sky, Columbia, Sad Song, Supersonic, Bring It on Down, Cigarettes & Alcohol, Digsy's Dinner, Slide Away, Married with Children, Listen Up, Fade Away, Whatever, It's Good To Be Free, Acquiesce, Talk Tonight, Half The World Away, Headshrinker, Rockin' Chair, Underneath The Sky, Round Are Way, The Masterplan, Hello, Roll With It, Wonderwall, Don't Look Back In Anger, Hey Now, Some Might Say, Cast No Shadow, She's Electric, Morning Glory, Champagne Supernova
That's 34 songs of album worthy material. I'm not counting Step Out or Cloudburst 'cos i don't rate them at all. Most bands release one album in that time and even then the majority of it's shit. For pure quality and quantity that period rivals only the Beatles, Bob Dylan (mid 60's) and maybe The jam and The Smiths.
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Post by caro on Nov 28, 2007 10:09:17 GMT -5
Jen for President! Yeah, Caro, the music is the same everywhere. BUT it's not as diverse in the US. People here either listen to shitty pop music, or rap - which is even worse Just look at the bands that have come out since around 2000: Libertines, Twang, Bloc Party, The Enemy, Arctic Monkeys, Coldplay (yawn), Hard-FI, Holloways, Kasabian And how about the best/biggest bands of all time: Beatles, Oasis, U2, Stone Roses, Smiths, Rolling Stones (i cant stand them personally), It's no coincidence they are all British (and Irish in U2's case). Yeah, sure, America has produced Nirvana, and Chili Peppers But simple fact is that the brits produce the better music You've been through your rap phase where everyone listens to that shit. Over here, that's been going on since the mid 90s and there seems no end in site. You forget, other than rap, America produces shit bands like Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco etc And they dont even know most of the English bands listed above. It's truly shocking. And frustrating. You go to a dorm party here, and all anyone plays is rap. Fuckin horrible shit. Guess it says something about rap - you can only listen to it when your drunk off your ass. Fuckin yanks. dear dear i'm french and i tell you that the music over here is no better we have tons of rap and mainstream singers that are the equivalent of your country music we also have a fair share of rock bands that no one knows about and some of them are pretty good as for england i've been living there a whole year on a uni campus and most parties were blalck eye peas and beyonce soooooooooooooo  as for america i think i have quite a good knowledge of the culture/musical culture and i go to bars, i hear some crap but also some good music (see my post above) and i know many people who are into good music, listen to oasis, kaisers, kasabian or AM i really think it's not any different i've seen all the muse albums displayed in the entrance of a best buy how cool is that? and you're forgetting a few good american bands in your equation... arent josh homme, dave grohl or jack black great rock figures of our time? you have to see outside elizabeth's circle of loyal subjects |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2007 11:05:51 GMT -5
Jen for President! Yeah, Caro, the music is the same everywhere. BUT it's not as diverse in the US. People here either listen to shitty pop music, or rap - which is even worse Just look at the bands that have come out since around 2000: Libertines, Twang, Bloc Party, The Enemy, Arctic Monkeys, Coldplay (yawn), Hard-FI, Holloways, Kasabian And how about the best/biggest bands of all time: Beatles, Oasis, U2, Stone Roses, Smiths, Rolling Stones (i cant stand them personally), It's no coincidence they are all British (and Irish in U2's case). Yeah, sure, America has produced Nirvana, and Chili Peppers But simple fact is that the brits produce the better music You've been through your rap phase where everyone listens to that shit. Over here, that's been going on since the mid 90s and there seems no end in site. You forget, other than rap, America produces shit bands like Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco etc And they dont even know most of the English bands listed above. It's truly shocking. And frustrating. You go to a dorm party here, and all anyone plays is rap. Fuckin horrible shit. Guess it says something about rap - you can only listen to it when your drunk off your ass. Fuckin yanks. Twang, The Enemy & Hard-FI are shit and Holloways are average. america has some amazing music try listening to cat power, white stripes, brmc, kings of leon, modest mouse, nellie mckay, erin mckeown, blance, rilo kiley, aimee mann, REM, ryan adams, tori amos, devendra bahnhart, cold war kids, joanna newsom, alicia keys, alison krauss, bob dylan, willy mason, be good tanyas, dixie chicks, patti smith, tilly and the wall. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Nov 28, 2007 11:31:57 GMT -5
Tune for tune, The Twang album is one of the best of 2007.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2007 11:41:41 GMT -5
Tune for tune, The Twang album is one of the best of 2007. each to their own, but its not my cuppa |
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Post by burnadesert on Nov 28, 2007 21:56:26 GMT -5
Laugh at me, laugh at them, call them boring, point fingers... but we have The Strokes.
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Post by caro on Nov 29, 2007 0:06:38 GMT -5
fair point you also have interpol, nada surf, QOTSA, the white stripes, FF, ben kweller, green day, the red hot and plenty more |
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Post by burnadesert on Nov 29, 2007 6:23:42 GMT -5
The music is the same everywhere. BUT it's not as diverse in the US. People here either listen to shitty pop music, or rap - which is even worse Are you sure you live in the U.S.? Why is it that the same few bands and genres always come up when people try to make points on forums? Do you even know what rap is? What you're thinking of is closer to hip-hop, and "pop music" is such a broad term... well, I don't even feel like breaking that down right now. I just wish you would explain things instead of throwing shit out there with attitude. There is a fanbase for every genre and the bands in them. If you're complaining about what's popular on FM radio--which seems to be the case since you're referring to "rap" and "shitty pop music"--then I suggest turning it off and listening to what you actually enjoy. Why do you like complaining about things like that? You don't even have to listen to it. Some rock fans get tense over some of the lamest shit. How would you even know if diversity in popular music is worse in the U.S. unless you are in the middle of all of the "scenes" in the U.K., or anywhere else? Even if it is worse, why do you continue to associate yourself with things that you dislike? I just can't see the logic in that type of behavior. "Hey, ma? This shit stinks..." *eats the shit and complains about the way it tastes afterwards*...how about the best/biggest bands of all time: Beatles, Oasis, U2, Stone Roses, Smiths, Rolling Stones So you can remember The Stone Roses and The Smiths, but you can't even remember to include Led Zeppelin on a list of "UK Greats"? I'm sure it would have helped you prove your point a little easier and with less hassle, y'know? One thing that you are overlooking is that bands like The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, U2 and even Led Zeppelin (though I brought them up) are/were very popular in the U.S. as well, so I'm not sure what type of point you're trying to prove. fair point you also have interpol, nada surf, QOTSA, the white stripes, FF, ben kweller, green day, the red hot and plenty more I wouldn't exactly place Nada Surf and Ben Kweller on the same level as those other bands. Nada Surf got their big break with their hit single "Popular" back in '95 or '96-ish (if I'm thinking clearly), and they haven't really done anything that stands out since then. Ben Kweller... hmm.. I just wouldn't use him as an example, even though I do find him to be a good songwriter. Green Day was amazing when I was growing up in early/mid-90's. But I can't say I enjoy much of their post- Waiting material. How fun it was anticipating Insomniac after the Dookie-crazed year of '94. Offspring's Smash was Dookie's rival back then. It was Offspring vs. Green Day all over the place. Interpol is a good band. Many Joy Division fans consider them to be a ripoff, but what exactly are they ripping off? Interpol performs with a hint of Joy Division, but they sound better. Overall, Interpol doesn't sound like any other popular, mainstream bands out at the moment. Which brings me to Albert Hammond, Jr.'s solo album, Yours to Keep. How is it that I foresaw The Strokes comparisons? Could it be because he's in The Strokes and they received so much hype from 2001-2003? Maybe it's because Julian played bass on one track. Na'.... it must be the few tracks that sound like they could be Strokes outtakes. Actually, it's all of those things. Now, with that aside... I recommend Albert Hammond, Jr.'s solo album for anyone who is capable of listening. Another band that I can't believe hasn't been mentioned is The Walkmen. What a great band that is. They are easily one of the most underrated bands to date. Anyway... It's late. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2007 6:41:02 GMT -5
Albert Hammond, Jr.'s solo album is cool but has far more of a edge to it live. it is better than the strokes who are very overrated, but still have some decent tunes.
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