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Post by Elias on Nov 29, 2007 7:32:15 GMT -5
Jen for President! Yeah, Caro, the music is the same everywhere. BUT it's not as diverse in the US. People here either listen to shitty pop music, or rap - which is even worse Just look at the bands that have come out since around 2000: Libertines, Twang, Bloc Party, The Enemy, Arctic Monkeys, Coldplay (yawn), Hard-FI, Holloways, Kasabian And how about the best/biggest bands of all time: Beatles, Oasis, U2, Stone Roses, Smiths, Rolling Stones (i cant stand them personally), It's no coincidence they are all British (and Irish in U2's case). Yeah, sure, America has produced Nirvana, and Chili Peppers But simple fact is that the brits produce the better music You've been through your rap phase where everyone listens to that shit. Over here, that's been going on since the mid 90s and there seems no end in site. You forget, other than rap, America produces shit bands like Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco etc And they dont even know most of the English bands listed above. It's truly shocking. And frustrating. You go to a dorm party here, and all anyone plays is rap. Fuckin horrible shit. Guess it says something about rap - you can only listen to it when your drunk off your ass. Fuckin yanks. Twang, The Enemy & Hard-FI are shit and Holloways are average. america has some amazing music try listening to cat power, white stripes, brmc, kings of leon, modest mouse, nellie mckay, erin mckeown, blance, rilo kiley, aimee mann, REM, ryan adams, tori amos, devendra bahnhart, cold war kids, joanna newsom, alicia keys, alison krauss, bob dylan, willy mason, be good tanyas, dixie chicks, patti smith, tilly and the wall. Absolutely spot on, at the moment I think America is producing much more interesting music than the UK. It doesn't take too much digging to find it. As for Oasis' b-sides, I wonder how many of you who are complaining about it were fans between 94-96. The fact that Oasis were producing classic after classic on albums and b-sides is what made them such a special band for so many people in those early days, it felt like every song they were ever gonna release was bound to be a classic. For a while, every song they released was special, you waited for a new single not just to own that song, but because you wanted the b-sides which you knew would be classics in their own right. It's why when Oasis were at their best, they were better than any other band has ever been and why those few years are rarely experienced by any generation of music fans - when a band comes along and sweeps all that came before it and makes everything else seem irrelevant in a few short years. OK, looking back those b-sides would've made another classic stand alone record, but no extra royalities or notoriety could be better than what those songs meant as they were back in the 90s. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 29, 2007 10:14:07 GMT -5
That's the problem in America, rap surrounds everything.
Yeah, fine, there are rock stations, but very few. Hell, in Philly where i'm from, the took off Y100 a few years ago. a VERY popular alternative rock station created in the mid 90s.
The uproard and petitioning that went on in the aftermath of that was rather extreme. Now that station has moved somewhat online: y100rocks.com
What did they replace it with? RAP. We now have about 6 rap stations, and 2 rock stations. and THATS whats annoying
and rap, for the most part is utter shit. it really really is.
And of course theres been good US bands, youve listed some of them.
But the fact the new rock bands are british. And it seems to be that way for a long time. mid 90s was another huge exposition of British bands.
When your constantly surrounded by rap everywhere you go - parties, tv commercials, etc, and when you arnt able to go to gigs like the Klaxons with friends or share music bc they are all into rap, it's frustrating.
Noel summed up rap fantasically well. I hate what it stands for to. "Bling Bling", "gangster", "ghetto", "shooting", "killing your wife" - you sick twisted fuck Eminem....the baggy pants
Rap has no point.
The good rap are BANDS like the Beastie Boys - but then again, they arnt really rap anyway lol
the whole notion of thinking you look cool, when in reality you look and sound so stupid. It's disgusting, and rather disturbing.
Just watch the music video of "Lean Back" by Fat Joe....he looks so ridiculous.
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Post by caro on Nov 29, 2007 10:20:50 GMT -5
fair point you also have interpol, nada surf, QOTSA, the white stripes, FF, ben kweller, green day, the red hot and plenty more  I wouldn't exactly place Nada Surf and Ben Kweller on the same level as those other bands. Nada Surf got their big break with their hit single "Popular" back in '95 or '96-ish (if I'm thinking clearly), and they haven't really done anything that stands out since then. Ben Kweller... hmm.. I just wouldn't use him as an example, even though I do find him to be a good songwriter. Green Day was amazing when I was growing up in early/mid-90's. But I can't say I enjoy much of their post- Waiting material. How fun it was anticipating Insomniac after the Dookie-crazed year of '94. Offspring's Smash was Dookie's rival back then. It was Offspring vs. Green Day all over the place. Interpol is a good band. Many Joy Division fans consider them to be a ripoff, but what exactly are they ripping off? Interpol performs with a hint of Joy Division, but they sound better. Overall, Interpol doesn't sound like any other popular, mainstream bands out at the moment. Which brings me to Albert Hammond, Jr.'s solo album, Yours to Keep. How is it that I foresaw The Strokes comparisons? Could it be because he's in The Strokes and they received so much hype from 2001-2003? Maybe it's because Julian played bass on one track. Na'.... it must be the few tracks that sound like they could be Strokes outtakes. Actually, it's all of those things. Now, with that aside... I recommend Albert Hammond, Jr.'s solo album for anyone who is capable of listening. Another band that I can't believe hasn't been mentioned is The Walkmen. What a great band that is. They are easily one of the most underrated bands to date. Anyway... It's late. just pointing a few good US bands cos live4evr is always complaining about the lack of good music in the US and always praising the british scene  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2007 10:22:27 GMT -5
don't listen to the radio, there most of your problem is solved, in the uk most radio is shit as well, deal with it.
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Post by caro on Nov 29, 2007 10:45:44 GMT -5
don't listen to the radio, there most of your problem is solved, in the uk most radio is shit as well, deal with it. my point exactly ;D |
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Post by Clint on Nov 29, 2007 20:18:58 GMT -5
if you really care what other people like you're retarded. most people like garbage music. even if oasis albums were comprised of b-sides and whatnot they still wouldn't be huge.
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Post by kevin613 on Dec 1, 2007 12:26:59 GMT -5
I agree with what a lot of what everyone is saying. I've often wondered if Oasis followed up WTS with a combo of all the amazing B-Sides they have what would have things been like.
That being said. I think that Oasis having such a deep and fantastic B-Side cateloge also contributed to their success. I remember post WTS I had grown a little tired of Oasis...they were pretty huge in the States back in '95 - '96 and I was just tired of them.
But then I caught the MTV Unplugged and Noel sang 'Talk Tonight' and 'The Masterplan' and I thought...oh my god those songs are amazing. I ran back up to my room to check my Oasis albums to see if I had somehow missed these tunes on DM or WTS. I didn't (obviously) and I thought....wow..these guys are pretty good. These tunes must be for their next album. I still didn't even really grasp the concept of 'B-Sides' at the time.
So anyway...a little while passes and in Jan/Feb '97 our local alternative station in Chicago Q101...played a 'new one' from Oasis called 'Whatever'. It blew my mind...I thought...
man!...maybe these guys are as good as the Beatles! The DJ said that their next album will be out in August and I naturally thought these songs would be on the album.
Well...guess what! Be Here Now came out and didn't have 'The Masterplan'..'Talk Tonight'...'Whatever'! And I still loved Be Here Now. Because of this....I searched high and low for these tunes. I found them at local record shops that had 'imports'! I remembe thinking...'How good and/or stupid could this band be if they didn't formally release thsee tunes on an album?!' But overall I didn't care...and while Oasis may have been more successful in the US had they done that....these amazing B-Sides also added to their mystique....and die-hard following.
Oasis is a band with tunes..and integrity...and music fans respond to that. Oasis is a hugely successful act in the States...maybe not as successful as many of us would like them to be....but this strategy or mistake (depending on how you look at it) I think has contributed to Oasis long term success.
I think if you have good taste in music...you'll find the good bands...and the good tunes.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Dec 11, 2007 9:34:19 GMT -5
To be honest I really don't think they were looking that far ahead when they threw all those great songs out as B-sides.
Noel admired the quality control of bands like The Smiths who put out really strong B-sides and wanted to do the same, especially in Britain.
I don't think he bargained on running out of great songs and thought he'd be writing tunes of the calibre of Talk Tonight and Acquiesce till the cows came home.
Maybe some days he regrets releasing so many good songs as B-sides and not saving them for the albums but the fact is that they are a huge part of what made Oasis such a phenomenon in Britain in the mid-90s so it's swings and roundabouts.
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