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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 1, 2016 21:20:07 GMT -5
I just have this feeling that the third album is going to be a right clunker.
Noel's played it safe for the first two albums. And he knows very well that he's played it safe.
She Might Be One Of Us probably (hopefully) won't be on the album, but at the very least it's giving us a general idea of where Noel is going. I feel he's under pressure - whether internally and/or externally - to do something different. And when Noel feels pressure to 'experiment' we get shit like Heathen Chemistry. When Noel forces things, it goes pears shaped.
For the love of God, Noel, please continue to stick to your winning formula with the few odd tracks dating back to the Oasis era thrown in for good effect.
I just have this sinking feeling that the third album will flop badly, and will end his solo experiment as a result. We're due a real clunker as DBTT-DOYS-NGHFB-CY has been a damn fine run of form. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Mar 1, 2016 21:42:58 GMT -5
And when Noel feels pressure to 'experiment' we get shit like Heathen Chemistry. Nah, HC was him trying to get "back to basics", quite the opposite really. People need to stop believing Noel will experiment more than on CY. Noel hasn't changed his approach to songwriting much in over 20 years and it's made him a multimillionaire. Don't expect the next album to be much different.
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Post by glider on Mar 1, 2016 22:03:08 GMT -5
I thought this was about TSR
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Post by mossy on Mar 2, 2016 1:58:29 GMT -5
For the love of God, Noel, please continue to stick to your winning formula with the few odd tracks dating back to the Oasis era thrown in for good effect. Bring back Sardy.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Mar 2, 2016 2:23:05 GMT -5
For the love of God, Noel, please continue to stick to your winning formula with the few odd tracks dating back to the Oasis era thrown in for good effect. Dear God no! When any artist sticks so rigidly to their original formula, they very quickly become parodies of themselves. Look at Heathen Chemistry, or any of U2's albums of this century, or Coldplay's sorry state of today. They try so, so, so hard to be Morning Glory, The Joshua Tree, or to appease the masses (or what they think the masses want), but instead fail epically because they've lost their original magic. Let's face it: the best way to stay fresh and new is to try something different. If you don't, you'll fall out of fashion, and some new kind of music will be considered "cool" instead of yours. Some of the most acclaimed records of all time, Sgt Pepper, Pet Sounds, Achtung Baby, Kid A, Heroes, Remain in Light, etc, are praised because each of these artists had already established a signature sound for themselves, a formula they could have adhered to forever, yet they decided to push themselves into new territory, and were able to create brilliant records in the process. Noel knows the value of experimentation, he's tried to before with SOTSOG. But because that record tanked, he quickly scurried back to the comfort zone and created the worst album of his career. It's this lack of adventure which will result in absolute shit like Heathen Chemistry, How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb, or A Head Full of Dreams, and put you in the fast-track to becoming what is known as a has been.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 2, 2016 2:42:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind if it wasn't any more "experimental" than Chasing Yesterday. As long as the songs are good I'm fine. Of course it would be cool to see him try something different, but I didn't get into Oasis/Noel with the thought "Wow, this guy is good, but he should definitely write a super experimental and avant garde psychedelic album, otherwise I'll be bored soon, man!" Just like the last time, I don't have any expectations whatsoever for the new one. When I first heard In The Heat Of The Moment, I was disappointed, but I later grew to like it. When the album leaked and I heard it the first time, I was underwhelmed, but after a few listens I loved it. I can't say whether I think this new one will be shit or not, because I don't have some kind of 6th sense (which apparently, a few of you do have. Good for you! ). One can only hope it will be good.
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Post by andymorris on Mar 2, 2016 3:23:23 GMT -5
Chasing Yesterday is a step down from NGHFB 1, let's be honest. It's a good record, but the singles are shit and the record is a bunch of tracks that don't belong with each other.
Noel needs to do two records : one fully acoustic and one fully electric, but very raw, not overproduced.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 2, 2016 4:21:18 GMT -5
Chasing Yesterday was not experimental. Noel stretched himself a bit and where he did it mostly worked The Right Stuff being the shining example. I hope he goes further with the next one. No more IIHAG/TDOTL's please.
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Post by space75gr on Mar 2, 2016 5:02:25 GMT -5
no need for album #3. He can always call Liam back...
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Post by tatomoon on Mar 2, 2016 5:30:03 GMT -5
I don't think he will have any of those 2010 demos on the album but Bye Bye My Family/whatever it's called might be on it... sounds like mostly new tracks though, maybe old songs will be B-sides/bonus tracks instead?
Either way, it does sound like the general process of things has been different for this album, I think the end result will be a more refined Chasing Yesterday sound, no need to be cynical before it's even recorded though!!
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Post by Doc Lobster on Mar 2, 2016 5:43:56 GMT -5
I just have this feeling that the third album is going to be a right clunker. Noel's played it safe for the first two albums. And he knows very well that he's played it safe. She Might Be One Of Us probably (hopefully) won't be on the album, but at the very least it's giving us a general idea of where Noel is going. I feel he's under pressure - whether internally and/or externally - to do something different. And when Noel feels pressure to 'experiment' we get shit like Heathen Chemistry. When Noel forces things, it goes pears shaped. For the love of God, Noel, please continue to stick to your winning formula with the few odd tracks dating back to the Oasis era thrown in for good effect.I just have this sinking feeling that the third album will flop badly, and will end his solo experiment as a result. We're due a real clunker as DBTT-DOYS-NGHFB-CY has been a damn fine run of form. I hope I'm wrong. This is an attitude I just don't get. How can you approach something you know nothing about with expectations, positive or negative? Besides, I really don't understand your reasoning. What does She Must Be One Of Us have to do with the new album? It's a demo from the DBTT era which luckily got discarded. And HC is the absolute opposite of experimentation. As a matter of fact, it's an album where they tried to stick to the "winning formula", and look how it turned out. Moreover, I don't see how a "damn fine run" of albums (not that DBTT and DOYS are that great in my opinion) implies an impending clunker. That's the gambler's fallacy. Want to make your life easier? Stop worrying about things that might happen and just approach the new album with an open mind. But what if it turns out to be the worst album ever? There's plenty of great music out there to keep you busy until Noel releases good music again.
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Post by leak4ever on Mar 2, 2016 6:34:36 GMT -5
Would anyone complain if he played it safe but produced a batch of songs at the level of old Oasis B-sides? I'd definitely take that over an album of The Right Stuffs
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 2, 2016 6:46:04 GMT -5
Would anyone complain if he played it safe but produced a batch of songs at the level of old Oasis B-sides? I'd definitely take that over an album of The Right Stuffs I'd prefer an album with safe, but good songs over an album with weird, experimental shit that I'll maybe listen to once or twice, but then will forget about. Weird experimental shit doesn't necessarily have to be bad though. To me the genre doesn't matter, as long as the songs are good.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Mar 2, 2016 6:51:52 GMT -5
Noel's new album is gonna be the same old Noeling around Wonderwall's chord progression we've been hearing for a thousand years now. Case CLOSED. You want changes, find a new artist.
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Post by andymorris on Mar 2, 2016 7:26:46 GMT -5
Would anyone complain if he played it safe but produced a batch of songs at the level of old Oasis B-sides? I'd definitely take that over an album of The Right Stuffs That. I mean, he's almost 50 now, given the state of music nowadays, an album with 11 good songs would be enough. He's not gonna change the face of music now and we never expected it anyway. His music was always more about the soul (and shiiine), than the brain. Give me a good melody with EAD chord progression over weird music anyday. Noel cant do it so he should stick to songwriting, he's actually still good at it.
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Post by draper on Mar 2, 2016 7:52:23 GMT -5
When Noel says experimental it will never be radiohead kid a like experimental, right ? If he means experimental like the right stuff or Mighty I, we're gonna get us a fine third album.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 7:58:43 GMT -5
tbh hes never really done a bad album per say, the worst is probably HC for me and the main problem with that on Noels side was the production and CY was much better than that.
Noels never going to release something really out there, he might mess about with it but I dont think he could ever get it to point of releasing it, he plays it too safe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 8:43:08 GMT -5
Chasing Yesterday is a step down from NGHFB 1, let's be honest. It's a good record, but the singles are shit and the record is a bunch of tracks that don't belong with each other. Noel needs to do two records : one fully acoustic and one fully electric, but very raw, not overproduced. Like In Yout Honor by the Foo Fighters, CD1 electric 10 songs, CD2 acoustic 10 songs
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Mar 2, 2016 8:57:50 GMT -5
Noel's new album is gonna be the same old Noeling around Wonderwall's chord progression we've been hearing for a thousand years now. Case CLOSED. You want changes, find a new artist. Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes. Somebody comes to mind...
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Post by Longtime Servant of the Gun on Mar 2, 2016 8:59:22 GMT -5
I'd be happy if the new album was 100% new material
PROVIDING!!! That the unreleased back catalogue was put out as either B-sides or left back for Oasis 8th album if there will ever be such a thing.
Who the fuck wouldn't want to hear a modern production of a Liam Sung Come on Outside, See the Sun and Colour my life
I would
And I'm great
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 2, 2016 8:59:46 GMT -5
Noel's new album is gonna be the same old Noeling around Wonderwall's chord progression we've been hearing for a thousand years now. Case CLOSED. You want changes, find a new artist. Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes. Somebody comes to mind... Well, he said the new material IS inspired by the late man, so..
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Mar 2, 2016 9:05:41 GMT -5
I haven't really thought about my expectations for Noel's next album yet and I don't know if thinking about it makes any sense, but I'll try. So..if I had any say in it, I would tell Noel that I'd like him to:
1. first of all: create the music HE likes (not caring for his reputation or writing with his "fans" (more speaking of the casual fan) in mind) 2. not play it safe, meaning: challenge himself, not go for the obvious 3. Stop reworking mediocre songs that he had laying around somewhere for ages (like RM and STC, ugh)
and that's it basically.
oh yeah and finally: play the best songs of the album live!!
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Post by boneheadsbolero on Mar 2, 2016 10:05:31 GMT -5
Calling Mike Love! Stick to the "formula?" Please don't. We've been there, done that. Over and over and over. I'd prefer a brain damaged album. I'd even accept a bit of disco or rap on it. Of course if he turns out the kind of rubbishy weirdness Albarn is into these days I'll sing a different tune. I thought CY was bland on every level (even the album cover was a why bother affair). What I want is something you'll all hate, 40 minutes of chaos like the last minute of Stop The Clocks. Psychedelic punk noise.
What we'll get though is probably another grandfather pop rock workout where the bonus tracks are more interesting than anything on the album.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Mar 2, 2016 10:07:45 GMT -5
Typical Tory, wanting to maintain the status quo...
Just last year, Noel released the best album he's written since Be Here Now, so why be so defeatist?
If the first single comes out and it's a real stinker, then fine, you have my permission to worry, but for now, just be cool, man. Like the turtles in 'Finding Nemo'. Or Sean Connery's James Bond.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 10:11:45 GMT -5
How many demo's are on the internet that he can possibly use? Come On Outside Bye Bye My Family (Don't Stop The Happennin') Oh Lord She Must Be One Of Us Just Let It Come Down Over Me
I expect at least one of these on his next album (he mentioned Don't Stop The Happenin')
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