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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 25, 2016 4:18:50 GMT -5
Oh aye, because Oasis were ever a democracy... Come on, people, we know all about Noel by now. Any geezer who has his own chair in the studio, that no one else is allowed to sit in, you just know he's gonna get his way every single time. Obviously there was some kind of quota adhered to, on the later albums, for LAG having x amount of songs on there, but I have now doubt it was Noel who set that in place, and made them stick rigidly to it. Don't ask me why he'd do such a thing - especially for DOYS, when he was clearly well on his way again, with his songwriting. There's no sense in it. But neither was there any sense in leaving The Masterplan off Morning Glory. Or Let's All Make Believe off SOTSOG. And so on...
Anyway, Noel did doom the band. As soon as he met someone else write songs for oasis it was all a slow death from there. Bassists always get the floor (and the coffee, drinks, food, stronger, whatever else, etc.  )  |
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Oct 25, 2016 4:33:44 GMT -5
Noel always had a big mouth. He didn´t have the balls back then to do it alone though - even high as a kite and thinking he is the best. So yeah I guess he still needed Liam, not just for his voice but also for being the frontman and taking a lot of pressure from outside. I agree that was a factor certainly, but as I said in the rest of that piece I wouldn't discount how much of a cash cow the band was especially during 1995-1997 to both brothers, their management, record company, publishers, promoters, etc. Would either have had a solo career matching that? unlikely even if successful, and rock n' roll history is littered with tales of guitarists, singers and songwriters who assumed they were the band or at least bigger than the band but ended up falling flat with a solo album. For every Peter Frampton there are countless examples of failure.... Oh the money was definitely a big part of that decision of course. And also let´s face it, quitting or taking a longer break from being in the bigest band is probably something that neither Noel nor any other of them really wanted at that time. Don´t know anymore if it was about Scott McLeod or Bonehead and Guigsy as Noel said he can´t understand someone leaving a band like Oasis if they don´t have to. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 25, 2016 4:51:09 GMT -5
I agree that was a factor certainly, but as I said in the rest of that piece I wouldn't discount how much of a cash cow the band was especially during 1995-1997 to both brothers, their management, record company, publishers, promoters, etc. Would either have had a solo career matching that? unlikely even if successful, and rock n' roll history is littered with tales of guitarists, singers and songwriters who assumed they were the band or at least bigger than the band but ended up falling flat with a solo album. For every Peter Frampton there are countless examples of failure.... Oh the money was definitely a big part of that decision of course. And also let´s face it, quitting or taking a longer break from being in the bigest band is probably something that neither Noel nor any other of them really wanted at that time. Don´t know anymore if it was about Scott McLeod or Bonehead and Guigsy as Noel said he can´t understand someone leaving a band like Oasis if they don´t have to. Scott McLeod I would have said in the nicest possible way basically bottled it in the face of the media onslaught and pressure that arose from joining a band rising in the public eye to being a cultural phenomenon in the UK as well as selling millions of records overseas. If Noel's version of events is true that Scott telephoned him to say he had made a mistake then I think it was a case of nerves perhaps understandably getting the better of him, and that Scott's own comments about comparing Oasis to his new band and preferring the latter were simply bluster to the media. Bonehead and Guigsy are less of a surprise as for a start they departed having past the glory years. Bonehead himself has said on numerous occasions that the fun had gone out of the band, that he was of the opinion maybe Knebworth was one step too far or at least they should have split after it, etc. At the time The Independent reported his departure as being "amicable" and he was talking of a life outside the demands of being in a successful rock n' roll band. Also he had made a substantial amount of money from his time and perhaps at 34 with a young family felt other responsibilities were now taking priority in his life. The fight stories at Chateau de la Colle Noire only emerged later and remind me to be honest of the alleged fight that got Tony sacked in Paris, like so much of Oasis and indeed other bands the mythology is better than the more mundane truths  Guigsy had given signs of coping issues or at least unhappiness since 1995 when he was diagnosed with an underlying medical condition after he dropped out to be replaced by Scott McLeod. I have written before that at the time the talk was Scott was being seen as a permanent replacement and it was only his own subsequent departure that opened the door for Guigsy to return to the fold. I think once Bonehead departed and with the spectre of another substantial tour away from home looming then it was an easy decision for him to make. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Oct 25, 2016 4:54:07 GMT -5
Having worked in a studio I can assure you having dibs on a chair is essential .
Anyway, Noel did doom the band. As soon as he met someone else write songs for oasis it was all a slow death from there. Bassists always get the floor (and the coffee, drinks, food, stronger, whatever else, etc. ) Bass players and drummers exist to do everyone else's bidding. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 25, 2016 5:01:24 GMT -5
Bassists always get the floor (and the coffee, drinks, food, stronger, whatever else, etc. ) Bass players and drummers exist to do everyone else's bidding.  |
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Oct 25, 2016 5:28:11 GMT -5
Oh the money was definitely a big part of that decision of course. And also let´s face it, quitting or taking a longer break from being in the bigest band is probably something that neither Noel nor any other of them really wanted at that time. Don´t know anymore if it was about Scott McLeod or Bonehead and Guigsy as Noel said he can´t understand someone leaving a band like Oasis if they don´t have to. Scott McLeod I would have said in the nicest possible way basically bottled it in the face of the media onslaught and pressure that arose from joining a band rising in the public eye to being a cultural phenomenon in the UK as well as selling millions of records overseas. If Noel's version of events is true that Scott telephoned him to say he had made a mistake then I think it was a case of nerves perhaps understandably getting the better of him, and that Scott's own comments about comparing Oasis to his new band and preferring the latter were simply bluster to the media. Bonehead and Guigsy are less of a surprise as for a start they departed having past the glory years. Bonehead himself has said on numerous occasions that the fun had gone out of the band, that he was of the opinion maybe Knebworth was one step too far or at least they should have split after it, etc. At the time The Independent reported his departure as being "amicable" and he was talking of a life outside the demands of being in a successful rock n' roll band. Also he had made a substantial amount of money from his time and perhaps at 34 with a young family felt other responsibilities were now taking priority in his life. The fight stories at Chateau de la Colle Noire only emerged later and remind me to be honest of the alleged fight that got Tony sacked in Paris, like so much of Oasis and indeed other bands the mythology is better than the more mundane truths Guigsy had given signs of coping issues or at least unhappiness since 1995 when he was diagnosed with an underlying medical condition after he dropped out to be replaced by Scott McLeod. I have written before that at the time the talk was Scott was being seen as a permanent replacement and it was only his own subsequent departure that opened the door for Guigsy to return to the fold. I think once Bonehead departed and with the spectre of another substantial tour away from home looming then it was an easy decision for him to make. I didn´t want to criticise any of them for their choices. They all should do what makes them happy of course. I just wanted to point out the Noel quote that he didn´t understand their choices at that time. I just realised that Bonehead was already 31 as they played Knebworth. So hats off from me for staying alive during the BHN era. I´m in my mid 30s now and it´s true that after getting 30 aside from having a different view of life your body just can´t take the stuff you did easily in you 20s anymore. I probably would have died being in Oasis at that time at the age of 32/33 |
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