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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 3, 2019 17:06:18 GMT -5
The Gallaghers have an uncanny ability to either look like clowns or the coolest pair of fuckers ever. Anyway, theyknowwhatimean , thoughts on this Be Here Now tracklist? BE HERE NOW1) D'You Know What I Mean? 2) My Big Mouth 3) The Masterplan 4) Stand By Me 5) I Hope, I Think, I Know 6) The Girl in the Dirty Shirt 7) Stay Young 8) Going Nowhere 9) Don't Go Away 10) Be Here Now 11) All Around the World 12) We're Gettin' Better (Man!!) 13) All Around the World (Reprise) I initially thought having Going Nowhere and Don't Go Away together was a bit suspect, but a few listens have made it seem a nice pocket of their similar less rock-n-roll mood, a la Cast No Shadow / She's Electric on What's the Story. I cannot wait for it to be summer again so I can listen to it in it's proper environment with a pint of cider. I worry that tracks 5-8 appear a little formulaic in that order. A little too upbeat-downbeat-upbeat-downbeat. (I know The Girl in the Dirty Shirt isn't exactly "down," but there are definite traces of melancholy there, despite its prettiness and Liam's defiant vocal. And I guess it does lumber a fair bit.) The obvious similarities between I Hope, I Think, I Know and Stay Young, and even between The Girl in the Dirty Shirt and Going Nowhere (the prominent keyboards and a certain bittersweet quality), doesn't help matters. Although I think Fade In-Out ended up falling a little flat with the way they recorded it (and so agree with you on leaving it out), it does help to showcase just how varied tracks 5-8 of the actual tracklist are. (Naturally, this never gets remarked on by the critics, just as they neglect to note the seismic shift in sound in just one year from Definitely Maybe to Morning Glory.) Albums can often be undone by their middle sections; and this is especially true of Be Here Now, of course, which makes you put a good half hour shift in before you can see the halfway point. So it has to work. As you say, the only way to tell if it does or not will be to give it a spin--ideally on a balmy summer's day. I wholeheartedly agree Re Going Nowhere and Don't Go Away. When I last attempted to draw up an alternative tracklist for Be Here Now, those two usually ended up alongside each other. Although their arrangements differ greatly--Going Nowhere is almost campy with its parping horns, while Don't Go Away is pretty full on bleeding heart stuff--the melancholy and--again--prettiness of them (Noel's ridiculous lead guitar on Don't Go Away aside) make them seem like two peas in a pod. |
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Post by Aman on Feb 3, 2019 19:17:02 GMT -5
Tbh I'd get rid of Going Nowhere.
Doesn't fit for me
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Post by eva on Feb 4, 2019 9:29:10 GMT -5
I was watching an argie tv show the other day and there was a scene where a bunch of kids were at a pub. the background music was Supersonic and in the next scene The Roller.
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Post by theseventwenty on Feb 5, 2019 7:47:18 GMT -5
Hey asimarx awesome work. What's the source on 'Strawberry Satellite'? Don't think I've heard that one before. I assume it's a rumoured title?] There was a set of lyrics written on headed notepaper from some hotel that Noel stayed at on one of the tours in 95 or 96 or something that came up for sale years ago - I remember reading about it on the alt.oasis newsgroup. The song was called Strawberry Satellite and it was Noel’s handwriting....I don’t remember what any of the lyrics were though, but I’m sure they’re out there somewhere |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 5, 2019 8:12:24 GMT -5
Hey asimarx awesome work. What's the source on 'Strawberry Satellite'? Don't think I've heard that one before. I assume it's a rumoured title?] There was a set of lyrics written on headed notepaper from some hotel that Noel stayed at on one of the tours in 95 or 96 or something that came up for sale years ago - I remember reading about it on the alt.oasis newsgroup. The song was called Strawberry Satellite and it was Noel’s handwriting....I don’t remember what any of the lyrics were though, but I’m sure they’re out there somewhere Yes you're quite right. Asimarx was kind enough to point me in the right direction and I now have these images saved. The logos on the paper gives us a rough date as to when it was written too - early 1995. Jan/Feb 95  Mar 95  Mar 95  |
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Post by World71R on Feb 5, 2019 14:49:39 GMT -5
Were people actually surprised Oasis broke up in August 2009? I wasn’t. Long long long time coming. No, I was more surprised that the SOTSOG tour didn't become the final tour of their career and instead they carried on for nearly a decade afterwards. The SOTSOG Tour would've been perfect, and the SOTSOG era too with Roll it Over as a fitting closer. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 17:40:11 GMT -5
WHAT FOR
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Post by Parka Flames on Feb 10, 2019 14:28:12 GMT -5
There was a set of lyrics written on headed notepaper from some hotel that Noel stayed at on one of the tours in 95 or 96 or something that came up for sale years ago - I remember reading about it on the alt.oasis newsgroup. The song was called Strawberry Satellite and it was Noel’s handwriting....I don’t remember what any of the lyrics were though, but I’m sure they’re out there somewhere Yes you're quite right. Asimarx was kind enough to point me in the right direction and I now have these images saved. The logos on the paper gives us a rough date as to when it was written too - early 1995. Jan/Feb 95 Mar 95 Mar 95 "Bieng"? Nice one Noel. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 10, 2019 15:29:04 GMT -5
Yes you're quite right. Asimarx was kind enough to point me in the right direction and I now have these images saved. The logos on the paper gives us a rough date as to when it was written too - early 1995. Jan/Feb 95 Mar 95 Mar 95 "Bieng"? Nice one Noel. Haha. Yeah, Noel struggles with that one...  |
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Post by beentherenow on Feb 10, 2019 15:49:46 GMT -5
I know this has probably been answered on here before but where was that 2nd album tracklisting from? Also have we been able to decipher what some of the tracks eventually became?
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 10, 2019 17:43:07 GMT -5
I know this has probably been answered on here before but where was that 2nd album tracklisting from? Also have we been able to decipher what some of the tracks eventually became? It's from one of Noel notebooks written between June and December 1993. Here's a quick summary of the tracks: 2nd Album
1) Hello! 2) New Stones [Probably a working title. Written later than earlier]3) Rockin Chair 4) She's Electric 5) Here Am I [Almost certainly an alternative title for 'Going Nowhere']6) Stay Young [Likely not the song of the same title later released as a b-side. A set of lyrics (part of this notebook package) show this]7) Being a Blue [According to Paul Gallagher this song later turned into 'Acquiesce']8) Everything's Alright [Unknown. Written later than earlier. I've theorised before though that it might be something to do with Stevie Wonder's 'Uptight (Everything's Alright)' which of course was "inspired" 'Step Out']9) Yours Is Mine [Unknown. Written later than earlier]10) All Around the World Clearly Noel was already putting together a somewhat different sounding album to follow up their debut even back then. Less rocking, more popping. You would assume that these unknown songs are decent enough considering their company, so I wouldn't be too surprised if we heard a Mark Coyle recording of them in the distant future. |
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Post by oasisunited on Feb 10, 2019 20:31:33 GMT -5
Haha. Yeah, Noel struggles with that one... He has admitted to having dyslexia, though that might be his opinion and not an actual diagnosis. It does seem like he might be considering a lot of the letter swapping and weird word ordering you see in his hand written lyrics |
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Post by oasisunited on Feb 11, 2019 7:34:20 GMT -5
7) Being a Blue [According to Paul Gallagher this song later turned into 'Acquiesce']This contradicts what Noel has said a few different times (The Masterplan liner notes, Stop The Clocks commentary, etc) about writing the song in one go while stuck on the train to Wales to record the demo for Some Might Say. I would not be surprised if that is just another story, especially given that McGee believes that Noel use to lie to him about song writing. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 11, 2019 7:51:52 GMT -5
7) Being a Blue [According to Paul Gallagher this song later turned into 'Acquiesce']This contradicts what Noel has said a few different times (The Masterplan liner notes, Stop The Clocks commentary, etc) about writing the song in one go while stuck on the train to Wales to record the demo for Some Might Say. I would not be surprised if that is just another story, especially given that McGee believes that Noel use to lie to him about song writing. Yes, you're right. Here's my take: We know it wasn't written in its entirety on the train as when describing the writing process Noel says he already "had the first riff". What I believe he's describing is a rewriting of 'Being a Blue' (or an incorporation of that song into new one). This is probably such a commonplace practice for Noel he didn't bother elaborating. A quick memorable story suffices. The beginning of the chorus (and later refrain) neatly fits with what Paul Gallagher describes 'Being a Blue' was about: A Manchester City football anthem. " Because we need each other, We believe in one another". It's also worth mentioning that Tony McCarroll says the band left Porter Street Studios (Spring 93) with 'Acquiesce' in the bag, which I personally don't believe (there are many examples of blatant mistakes in his book), but 'Being a Blue' is a real possibility. |
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Post by oasisunited on Feb 11, 2019 10:30:45 GMT -5
This contradicts what Noel has said a few different times (The Masterplan liner notes, Stop The Clocks commentary, etc) about writing the song in one go while stuck on the train to Wales to record the demo for Some Might Say. I would not be surprised if that is just another story, especially given that McGee believes that Noel use to lie to him about song writing. Yes, you're right. Here's my take: We know it wasn't written in its entirety on the train as when describing the writing process Noel says he already "had the first riff". What I believe he's describing is a rewriting of 'Being a Blue' (or an incorporation of that song into new one). This is probably such a commonplace practice for Noel he didn't bother elaborating. A quick memorable story suffices. The beginning of the chorus (and later refrain) neatly fits with what Paul Gallagher describes 'Being a Blue' was about: A Manchester City football anthem. " Because we need each other, We believe in one another". It's also worth mentioning that Tony McCarroll says the band left Porter Street Studios (Spring 93) with 'Acquiesce' in the bag, which I personally don't believe (there are many examples of blatant mistakes in his book), but 'Being a Blue' is a real possibility. Totally agree. My point is that this is another example of a song Noel claims he wrote in 5 minutes when in fact there is ample evidence that at least the melody had been kicking around for quite some time. Doesn't diminish the fact that it's probably the archetypal Oasis song (and if I'm being partial, their best song). I also agree that Tony definitely has some factual errors in his re-telling of the early years. Acquiesce would have been on Definitely Maybe had it been a fully formed song at that point. |
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Post by freddy838 on Feb 13, 2019 15:56:28 GMT -5
My old phone died, and my backup Ipod soon after, so I've resorted to joining spotify premium on my new phone and their This Is Oasis playlist is great. 60 songs long I think. It's crazy Stop The Clocks only had 18 songs on it and barely anything post 90s. It really doesnt do the band justice, whereas this playlist gets a bit closer, plus of course there are so many more gems beyond that 60. What a band.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 13, 2019 23:07:50 GMT -5
My old phone died, and my backup Ipod soon after, so I've resorted to joining spotify premium on my new phone and their This Is Oasis playlist is great. 60 songs long I think. It's crazy Stop The Clocks only had 18 songs on it and barely anything post 90s. It really doesnt do the band justice, whereas this playlist gets a bit closer, plus of course there are so many more gems beyond that 60. What a band. Nobody ever walked away from Stop The Clocks album disappointed. It’s way too strong. It’s got all the goods basically. Noel made it like a concert setlist. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 0:55:24 GMT -5
My old phone died, and my backup Ipod soon after, so I've resorted to joining spotify premium on my new phone and their This Is Oasis playlist is great. 60 songs long I think. It's crazy Stop The Clocks only had 18 songs on it and barely anything post 90s. It really doesnt do the band justice, whereas this playlist gets a bit closer, plus of course there are so many more gems beyond that 60. What a band. Nobody ever walked away from Stop The Clocks album disappointed. It’s way too strong. It’s got all the goods basically. Noel made it like a concert setlist. Shouldn't have got Lyla on it. |
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Post by beentherenow on Feb 14, 2019 2:23:17 GMT -5
I don’t have any gripes with Stop the Clocks per se (although the complete omission of BHN is annoying) but it’s the fact that each disk only contains 9 tracks and 45 mins or so of music.
Either edit a few tracks and have one ultimate 80 minute disk or add a few extra tracks per disk. It’s not as the album would suffer by adding Whatever, DYKWIM and Columbia etc
Although as posted, in the age of Spotify/Apple Music it is pretty redundant anyway
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Post by freddy838 on Feb 14, 2019 3:40:58 GMT -5
I don’t have any gripes with Stop the Clocks per se (although the complete omission of BHN is annoying) but it’s the fact that each disk only contains 9 tracks and 45 mins or so of music. Either edit a few tracks and have one ultimate 80 minute disk or add a few extra tracks per disk. It’s not as the album would suffer by adding Whatever, DYKWIM and Columbia etc Although as posted, in the age of Spotify/Apple Music it is pretty redundant anyway Yep how those songs got left off and Talk Tonight was on it I have no idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 7:58:52 GMT -5
Nobody ever walked away from Stop The Clocks album disappointed. It’s way too strong. It’s got all the goods basically. Noel made it like a concert setlist. Shouldn't have got Lyla on it. While the album cut isn't as good as the live versions (especially in person), it's still a quality track. And something from the later era needed to be represented there. |
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Post by supernovadragon on Feb 14, 2019 8:34:09 GMT -5
Shouldn't have got Lyla on it. While the album cut isn't as good as the live versions (especially in person), it's still a quality track. And something from the later era needed to be represented there. I've always wondered what a fan vote version would have ended up like if they had let us choose instead |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 14, 2019 8:36:00 GMT -5
While the album cut isn't as good as the live versions (especially in person), it's still a quality track. And something from the later era needed to be represented there. I've always wondered what a fan vote version would have ended up like if they had let us choose instead They tried that with The Masterplan and Noel just ignored the results. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 9:50:28 GMT -5
While the album cut isn't as good as the live versions (especially in person), it's still a quality track. And something from the later era needed to be represented there. I've always wondered what a fan vote version would have ended up like if they had let us choose instead Well... according to over 100 fan votes, this is the top 18 tracks....
1 Live Forever 9.81 < DM
2 Slide Away 9.72 < DM
3 Champagne Supernova 9.71 < MG
4 The Masterplan 9.65 < NAT
5 Don't Look Back in Anger 9.63 < MG
6 Supersonic 9.55 < DM
7 Some Might Say 9.53 < MG
8 Wonderwall 9.28 < MG
9 Whatever 9.20 < NAT
10 Rock 'n' Roll Star 9.19 < DM
11 Listen Up 8.97 < NAT
12 Morning Glory 8.97 < MG
13 Gas Panic! 8.91 < SOTSOG
14 Acquiesce 8.88 < NAT
15 Rockin' Chair 8.86 < NAT
16 D'You Know What I Mean? 8.84 < BHN
17 Cigarettes & Alcohol 8.78 < DM
18 Cast No Shadow 8.75 < MG
MG: 6 (33%)
DM: 5 (28%)
NAT: 5 (28%)
BHN: 1 (6%)
SOTSOG: 1 (6%)
That is exactly TWO songs released post-96!
For reference sake, the next two are Half The World Away and Talk Tonight. Which means that there are more Non-Album Tracks (7) in the top 20 than anything else. Chew on that one.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 14, 2019 10:11:38 GMT -5
The 300th page.
You are all fucking welcome.
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