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Post by supernovadragon on Jan 21, 2019 8:21:56 GMT -5
That is true. I even think Sunday Morning Call and Where Did it All Go Wrong? both had potential but didn't get treated properly, as you can see by the acoustic version of SMC and the demo version of the latter. Even Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is tries to be different to some degree but just is under-cooked in its treatment, as you said. Full On was the song Noel should've pushed for Liam to sing, instead of that, and you can't forget Let's All Make Believe. With Full On, LAMB, the demo version of Where Did it All Go Wrong?, and a more acoustic SMC (or even One Way Road which is a similar song), you have a good nine tracks. The problem with the era is Noel, simple as that. Too bogged down from not sticking to a clear and focused direction, with the music echoing that. I think the exit of Bonehead and Guigs in the early stages of the album messed things up and Noel should've taken a break after that to assess the direction of the band and get new members. SOTSOG suffers from over production, to some degree, but oddly enough it also suffers from being under-developed in some places, as a result of them leaving which messed with the direction of the sessions and caused Noel to seek other means of filling the soundscape. Bottom line is Noel didn’t have the songs. Didn’t have enough material to round out a solid 10-11 track album that Noel boasted about for much of 1999. People always act like LAMB is the magic silver bullet. It’s not. It would help but even with its inclusion it still is lacking. I'm sorry but you're talking nonsense if you really believe the songs were not there...change the tracklisting a little and the final 5 tracks could and should have been epic: Gas Panic Where Did It All Go Wrong? I Can See A Liar Let's All Make Believe Roll It Over Add to the above a beginning 4 tracks of: Fuckin In The Bushes Go Let It Out Full On (Liam sung) Little James (yes, even this one) This album, worked a little better and waited a while longer, would have been such a great album. Added to that songs such as: Just Getting Older Its A Crime/Let There Be Love One Way Road Revolution Song Little By Little Force Of Nature I think the songs are most definitely there |
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Post by Parka Flames on Jan 21, 2019 11:17:07 GMT -5
DM - WTSMG - BHN is a trilogy, and it follows the same rule as all trilogies. Third installment is a disappointment. But still entertaining, even if Noel did go a bit overboard with the Ewoks.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 21, 2019 11:38:54 GMT -5
Bottom line is Noel didn’t have the songs. Didn’t have enough material to round out a solid 10-11 track album that Noel boasted about for much of 1999. People always act like LAMB is the magic silver bullet. It’s not. It would help but even with its inclusion it still is lacking. I'm sorry but you're talking nonsense if you really believe the songs were not there...change the tracklisting a little and the final 5 tracks could and should have been epic: Gas Panic Where Did It All Go Wrong? I Can See A Liar Let's All Make Believe Roll It Over Add to the above a beginning 4 tracks of: Fuckin In The Bushes Go Let It Out Full On (Liam sung) Little James (yes, even this one) This album, worked a little better and waited a while longer, would have been such a great album. Added to that songs such as: Just Getting Older Its A Crime/Let There Be Love One Way Road Revolution Song Little By Little Force Of Nature I think the songs are most definitely there Remember I’m looking at this from first hand experience. Doing it in real time. You are now adding Noel sung b-sides. Classic Oasis had maybe 1 Noel sung song. Now 3-4? That’s too many for that era. Liam was still in his prime. He needs to shine more. They didn’t have a tailor made single ready to be an anthem. It just wasn’t there in 1999/2000. None of what you suggested matches the initial quality of the first 5 I named. Not sure the world was ready for sadder and downbeat Oasis. |
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Post by supernovadragon on Jan 21, 2019 12:08:19 GMT -5
I'm sorry but you're talking nonsense if you really believe the songs were not there...change the tracklisting a little and the final 5 tracks could and should have been epic: Gas Panic Where Did It All Go Wrong? I Can See A Liar Let's All Make Believe Roll It Over Add to the above a beginning 4 tracks of: Fuckin In The Bushes Go Let It Out Full On (Liam sung) Little James (yes, even this one) This album, worked a little better and waited a while longer, would have been such a great album. Added to that songs such as: Just Getting Older Its A Crime/Let There Be Love One Way Road Revolution Song Little By Little Force Of Nature I think the songs are most definitely there Remember I’m looking at this from first hand experience. Doing it in real time. You are now adding Noel sung b-sides. Classic Oasis had maybe 1 Noel sung song. Now 3-4? That’s too many for that era. Liam was still in his prime. He needs to shine more. They didn’t have a tailor made single ready to be an anthem. It just wasn’t there in 1999/2000. None of what you suggested matches the initial quality of the first 5 I named. Not sure the world was ready for sadder and downbeat Oasis. 1. I had 1 Noel sung song on that list, the others were just examples of songs that were around at the time. 2. I said for Full On to be Liam song so that's not a Noel sung song 3. Where Did It All Go Wrong was a ready made sing along single if handled right 4. Every band has to mature their sound otherwise people slate them for standing still. The landscape of the UK had changed massively by the time Standing got released so a more mature sounding album was the right kind at the right time. The biggest mistake was not carrying this on and going backwards with Heathen Chemistry |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 12:13:07 GMT -5
Just watched Supersonic again today. I don't know any other band that makes you want to be in a band yourself as much as Oasis does.
Just after watching the documentary, you just want to conquer the world and live the rock'n'roll life.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 21, 2019 12:46:12 GMT -5
Remember I’m looking at this from first hand experience. Doing it in real time. You are now adding Noel sung b-sides. Classic Oasis had maybe 1 Noel sung song. Now 3-4? That’s too many for that era. Liam was still in his prime. He needs to shine more. They didn’t have a tailor made single ready to be an anthem. It just wasn’t there in 1999/2000. None of what you suggested matches the initial quality of the first 5 I named. Not sure the world was ready for sadder and downbeat Oasis. 1. I had 1 Noel sung song on that list, the others were just examples of songs that were around at the time. 2. I said for Full On to be Liam song so that's not a Noel sung song 3. Where Did It All Go Wrong was a ready made sing along single if handled right 4. Every band has to mature their sound otherwise people slate them for standing still. The landscape of the UK had changed massively by the time Standing got released so a more mature sounding album was the right kind at the right time. The biggest mistake was not carrying this on and going backwards with Heathen Chemistry Your running list of songs made it confusing. Full On regardless of you saying Liam was a Noel sung song and it’s also just an ok song. Doesn’t Change that album’s fate. I’m 100% behind Oasis should have kept going sonically. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Jan 22, 2019 9:08:50 GMT -5
10 years ago today, 22nd January 2009 was the day (night) when I saw Oasis for the last time. Queuing in pouring rain for hours was worth to get a barrier at front of Liam. It looks like a long long time ago.  |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 22, 2019 10:26:14 GMT -5
I loved that Oasis logo. I used to draw it all over my schoolbooks.
They had a very strong visual direction going for the Dig Out Your Soul era. Guess that kind of thing just furthers Lennon2217 and others' theory that they were more a brand than a band in the 00s. Still, I dug it at the time.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 22, 2019 10:43:08 GMT -5
I like that Liam's voice is a bit ragged on 'Stop Crying Your Heart Out'. It stops the song from sounding too schmaltzy--same as with 'Wonderwall'. And it's why all the cover versions sound so naff by comparison.
🎵Cos all of the stars are fadin' away.
Just try not to worreh. You'll see them someday.
Take what you neeeeed and be on your way.
And stop cryin' your heart owwwwt!🎵
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Post by World71R on Jan 22, 2019 12:42:06 GMT -5
I loved that Oasis logo. I used to draw it all over my schoolbooks. They had a very strong visual direction going for the Dig Out Your Soul era. Guess that kind of thing just furthers Lennon2217 and others' theory that they were more a brand than a band in the 00s. Still, I dug it at the time. I dig it as well. It's just a shame that relations between Liam and Noel seemingly fell apart somewhere along the way in the DOYS era and led to some of the songs not getting finished and then the ultimate fall out towards the end of the era that was the final nail in the coffin. |
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Post by Flashbax on Jan 22, 2019 13:20:41 GMT -5
I loved that Oasis logo. I used to draw it all over my schoolbooks. They had a very strong visual direction going for the Dig Out Your Soul era. Guess that kind of thing just furthers Lennon2217 and others' theory that they were more a brand than a band in the 00s. Still, I dug it at the time. I dig it as well. It's just a shame that relations between Liam and Noel seemingly fell apart somewhere along the way in the DOYS era and led to some of the songs not getting finished and then the ultimate fall out towards the end of the era that was the final nail in the coffin. How was Dig Out Your Soul recieved? Of course it was a #1, but what did the critics say about it? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2019 13:33:36 GMT -5
I dig it as well. It's just a shame that relations between Liam and Noel seemingly fell apart somewhere along the way in the DOYS era and led to some of the songs not getting finished and then the ultimate fall out towards the end of the era that was the final nail in the coffin. How was Dig Out Your Soul recieved? Of course it was a #1, but what did the critics say about it? As always since 2002.............”a return to form”. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 13:47:15 GMT -5
I like that Liam's voice is a bit ragged on 'Stop Crying Your Heart Out'. It stops the song from sounding too schmaltzy--same as with 'Wonderwall'. And it's why all the cover versions sound so naff by comparison. 🎵 Cos all of the stars are fadin' away.
Just try not to worreh. You'll see them someday.
Take what you neeeeed and be on your way.
And stop cryin' your heart owwwwt!🎵 He doesn't save this one from being schmalzy for me. On the other hand, "Wonderwall" is a mystery for me. The composition is refined, a gorgeous piece of british pop/rock music with perfect Liam vocals and yet you see wankers on youtube singing it like it sounds like some boy band thing. It's a thing I will never understand, how can you kill the soul of a song that much ? |
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Post by Aman on Jan 22, 2019 18:21:19 GMT -5
That is true. I even think Sunday Morning Call and Where Did it All Go Wrong? both had potential but didn't get treated properly, as you can see by the acoustic version of SMC and the demo version of the latter. Even Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is tries to be different to some degree but just is under-cooked in its treatment, as you said. Full On was the song Noel should've pushed for Liam to sing, instead of that, and you can't forget Let's All Make Believe. With Full On, LAMB, the demo version of Where Did it All Go Wrong?, and a more acoustic SMC (or even One Way Road which is a similar song), you have a good nine tracks. The problem with the era is Noel, simple as that. Too bogged down from not sticking to a clear and focused direction, with the music echoing that. I think the exit of Bonehead and Guigs in the early stages of the album messed things up and Noel should've taken a break after that to assess the direction of the band and get new members. SOTSOG suffers from over production, to some degree, but oddly enough it also suffers from being under-developed in some places, as a result of them leaving which messed with the direction of the sessions and caused Noel to seek other means of filling the soundscape. Bottom line is Noel didn’t have the songs. Didn’t have enough material to round out a solid 10-11 track album that Noel boasted about for much of 1999. People always act like LAMB is the magic silver bullet. It’s not. It would help but even with its inclusion it still is lacking. Indeed. Chop and change all you want, I don't think it makes a massive difference. |
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Post by World71R on Jan 22, 2019 18:30:50 GMT -5
Bottom line is Noel didn’t have the songs. Didn’t have enough material to round out a solid 10-11 track album that Noel boasted about for much of 1999. People always act like LAMB is the magic silver bullet. It’s not. It would help but even with its inclusion it still is lacking. I don't think it's as much about the material as it is about Liam and also the approach to the album. If Noel hadn't rushed the album like he did and gotten Liam in to sing on more of the songs, like Full On, One Way Road, there would've been two more Liam-sung songs to put on the album and room for a song like Little by Little or Revolution Song to go on the album to make it 10 quality songs with still only 2 of them being Noel-sung. Additionally, more time on the album would've meant for more of a thought-out approach and sound to the album instead of some of the songs that turn out rather muddy and distorted due to the mixing and production to fill out the sound. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2019 19:59:50 GMT -5
Bottom line is Noel didn’t have the songs. Didn’t have enough material to round out a solid 10-11 track album that Noel boasted about for much of 1999. People always act like LAMB is the magic silver bullet. It’s not. It would help but even with its inclusion it still is lacking. I don't think it's as much about the material as it is about Liam and also the approach to the album. If Noel hadn't rushed the album like he did and gotten Liam in to sing on more of the songs, like Full On, One Way Road, there would've been two more Liam-sung songs to put on the album and room for a song like Little by Little or Revolution Song to go on the album to make it 10 quality songs with still only 2 of them being Noel-sung. Additionally, more time on the album would've meant for more of a thought-out approach and sound to the album instead of some of the songs that turn out rather muddy and distorted due to the mixing and production to fill out the sound. So are you dumping SMC and WDIAGW in your revised playlist? Because if not you’ll have 3-4 Noel songs. I’m not convinced he could sing One Way Road, Revolution Song or Little By Little. |
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Post by World71R on Jan 22, 2019 20:14:55 GMT -5
I don't think it's as much about the material as it is about Liam and also the approach to the album. If Noel hadn't rushed the album like he did and gotten Liam in to sing on more of the songs, like Full On, One Way Road, there would've been two more Liam-sung songs to put on the album and room for a song like Little by Little or Revolution Song to go on the album to make it 10 quality songs with still only 2 of them being Noel-sung. Additionally, more time on the album would've meant for more of a thought-out approach and sound to the album instead of some of the songs that turn out rather muddy and distorted due to the mixing and production to fill out the sound. So are you dumping SMC and WDIAGW in your revised playlist? Because if not you’ll have 3-4 Noel songs. I’m not convinced he could sing One Way Road, Revolution Song or Little By Little. Not at all. I'm saying if Liam had come in and done vocals for Full On and One Way Road (or another quality Noel-sung song he could've done), then you could have those two in there, plus Where Did it All Go Wrong? and the other tracks, instead of piling on the Noel-sung songs to get quality. Obviously that's hypothetical so I would still put Let's All Make Believe in for Little James and stick Full On in there somewhere in place of Put Yer Money..., then place I Can See a Liar after Who Feels Love? and before Full On, but even that's not ideal. There's just too many Noel-sung B-sides to choose from and not enough Liam-sung ones (only one in fact) to make a balanced album that doesn't have any sore thumbs on it. |
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Post by World71R on Jan 23, 2019 0:58:51 GMT -5
When Liam sings "We're getting better man" with that sneer and grit, I absolutely believe it. It's Getting Better (Man!!) is such an underrated song and it's a shame that the vocals are so repetitive towards the end and that there isn't just straight guitar there. There's some awesome playing beneath the vocals but both the vocals and the guitar lose their power with that repetition.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 8:47:03 GMT -5
My guitar playing session last night went as follows...
Married With Children,
Morning Glory,
Stand By Me,
Gas Panic!,
The Hindu Times,
The Importance of Being Idle,
Falling Down
I haven't had much time to just sit and play a bunch of tunes lately. It was nice.
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Post by Spaceman on Jan 24, 2019 18:32:05 GMT -5
I was just listening to Supersonic and it suddenly dawned on me --- in about 5 years Definitely Maybe will be 30 years old.
How fucking crazy is that?
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Post by shauncaig on Jan 24, 2019 18:41:40 GMT -5
My guitar playing session last night went as follows... Married With Children, Morning Glory, Stand By Me, Gas Panic!, The Hindu Times, The Importance of Being Idle, Falling Down I haven't had much time to just sit and play a bunch of tunes lately. It was nice. Acoustic/electric or a combination of the two? |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 24, 2019 19:06:35 GMT -5
I was just listening to Supersonic and it suddenly dawned on me --- in about 5 years Definitely Maybe will be 30 years old. How fucking crazy is that? I got the DM DVD for Christmas in 2004, which was just 10 years after the release of DM. And in 5 years time, 2004 will have been 20 years ago, what the actual fuck? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 7:44:18 GMT -5
My guitar playing session last night went as follows... Married With Children, Morning Glory, Stand By Me, Gas Panic!, The Hindu Times, The Importance of Being Idle, Falling Down I haven't had much time to just sit and play a bunch of tunes lately. It was nice. Acoustic/electric or a combination of the two? Just grabbed the acoustic and went where it took me at the time.  |
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 25, 2019 18:16:48 GMT -5
It's weird how when I think of 1997 in terms of Oasis I think of it as ancient history, but I still think of Time Out of Mind as a more "recent" Bob Dylan album. I know it's because of the respective lengths of their careers but it can be hard to think of the two artists operating in the way they did that year all at once.
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Post by matt on Jan 25, 2019 20:26:48 GMT -5
I was just listening to Supersonic and it suddenly dawned on me --- in about 5 years Definitely Maybe will be 30 years old. How fucking crazy is that? And to think that in just five years time it will be 15 years since the Oasis split - the same amount of time between Definitely Maybe and Dig Out Your Soul. |
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