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Post by World71R on Jan 8, 2019 13:56:55 GMT -5
I do indeed. I quite like Digsy’s Dinner, but can’t stand She’s Electric. Ironically, many yanks know and like She’s Electric, which I find strange. Probably because it's one of the most Beatles-ish track they ever done, and The Beatles are very popular (ok, they are popular everywhere, but still very much in the States) there. The composition is superb. I agree. It's a well-constructed, well-arranged pop song with a fun and breezy chord progression and atmosphere. One of the cool Easter eggs in this song is how the backing vocals build in the second verse to where Noel is eventually singing every line back to Noel by the end of the verse, and then the faux-middle 8 that serves as the outro. It gives you everything you want, but still leaves you wanting just a little bit more, which is what a good song should do. Digsy's Dinner is good, but it doesn't go as far beyond the novelty pop song approach, that Noel went into the song with, as She's Electric does. I still think it's an essential song from the DM era, though. It has that excited and youthful but wondrous attitude that makes DM such a good album. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 8, 2019 14:19:22 GMT -5
If you haven’t listened to Oasis yet today, you have failed. I’m very much succeeding. #madferit
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 17:15:56 GMT -5
She's Electric was the worst song they released until She Is Love Good joke. |
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Post by World71R on Jan 9, 2019 17:02:15 GMT -5
We have many gripes about Oasis but as both a big Oasis fan and a big U2 fan, I've noticed that Oasis (and Oasis-related acts) are better at getting releases out there in a timely manner and sticking to the original vision of an album more often than not.
The longest time between releases under the Oasis banner was three years, twice in the 2000s, and then four years with Noel between NGHFB and CY, while the longest for U2 has been five years, between Atomic Bomb and NLOTH & NLOTH and SOI.
U2 also often tinker with the albums so much that it feels watered down and away from the original vision. Most of the Oasis-related releases have achieved the vision put forth for the album, imo, even if the tracklisting doesn't come out perfectly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 8:29:18 GMT -5
ABSOLUTE TUNE.... came on a few minutes ago. I had forgotten how stellar this tune really is! If you don't like it, then you should probably listen to it on 11! Just sayin'.
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Post by Regi on Jan 11, 2019 20:14:24 GMT -5
Just listening to the Lyon 2002 bootleg. Stop Crying Your Heart Out is fucking powerful!
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Post by mkoasis on Jan 11, 2019 20:53:07 GMT -5
Just listening to the Lyon 2002 bootleg. Stop Crying Your Heart Out is fucking powerful! Liam sounds incredible there. I loved "Hello" from that one too. One of my favourite oasis gigs for sure. |
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Post by Derrick on Jan 12, 2019 12:29:06 GMT -5
I'd never heard this soundcheck, beautiful acoustic version of "Up in the sky":
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 12, 2019 17:16:52 GMT -5
Short clip of us doing Rock 'n' Roll Star last month. Don’t really pay attention to cover bands, but you look and sound ace. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 13, 2019 7:06:26 GMT -5
Couple of questions:
- What's the deal with the 'Shakermaker (Slide Up Mix)'? Was it the bands Monnow Valley attempt before reverting back to the demo?
- Is the 'Live Forever' demo (from the NME 'Creation for the Nation' give away) the same version as that on the "Whatever Demos"? To me it sounds the same, just much higher quality and running at a slightly different speed - like the 'Married with Children' and 'D'Yer Wanna Be a Spaceman?' "Whatever Demos".
- The demos for 'Live Forever', 'Up In the Sky' and 'Digsy's Dinner' were all supposedly recorded at Loco Studios in September 1993. Does anyone know the source for this?
- How do we know that the recorded rehearsals of 'Must Be the Music', 'Comin' On Strong', 'Lock All the Doors' and 'Strange Thing' come from Porter Street and not from the bands rehearsal space under the Boardwalk?
- Does anyone know the date the band went into Monnow Valley? I hear late 93/early 94 but something more precise would be very helpful!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 8:10:49 GMT -5
The Crimson Rambler Do you know when was She's Electric written ? I think I remember reading it was in march 1992, but I don't find the interview again.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 13, 2019 8:32:43 GMT -5
The Crimson Rambler Do you know when was She's Electric written ? I think I remember reading it was in march 1992, but I don't find the interview again. Almost certainly between June and Dec 1993 (the dating parameters of Noel's 1993 notebook). It doesn't feature in the earliest page but does so in the later ones, hence why I'm extrapolating that it was written during that period of time. Hope that helps! The only song that eventually got released that you can say absolutely existed in 1992 was an instrumental version of Columbia. Songs which could have been around in 1992 (but not necessarily are) are 'Alive', 'Bring It On Down', 'Cloudburst', 'Digsy's Dinner', 'D'Yer Wanna Be a Spaceman', 'Fade Away', 'Married With Children', 'Rock 'N' Roll Star' and 'Whatever'*. It's not impossible for 'Half the World Away', (It's Good) To Be Free, 'I Will Believe', 'Sad Song' or 'Take Me Away' to have existed in 1992 either but The Real People make no mention of any of these songs being presented to them in Spring 1993. If you want my 2 cents the bands best songs at the turn of 1993 probably wasn't much cop. 1993 was the year it all really happened - probably because he'd just been fired as a roadie. * 'Whatever' might be incorrect. I need to do a little more research first. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 13, 2019 12:59:28 GMT -5
Alive. Living the Dream. Found the Love of this fucking life.
Noel and Liam. and Bonehead. and Guigsy. and fucking Tony. and Alan too.
Just want to say I love you all.
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Post by deadman on Jan 13, 2019 15:29:50 GMT -5
Couple of questions: - What's the deal with the 'Shakermaker (Slide Up Mix)'? Was it the bands Monnow Valley attempt before reverting back to the demo? I've always thought it was the demo, but I could be wrong. I haven't heard the Whatever Demos tape in a while, but I think so. Surprising number of dodgy sources for that track, considering it was eventually found on a proper CD. Would love to see a session log for this. I'm not even sure if Noel has even mentioned them, or if they've ever been offically recognised. They were surprising absences from the DM reissue a few years back, in any case. Mark Coyle mentioned them in his notes on the replica of the original demo tape which came out around the DM reissue. Plus the sound of them just matches up to the rest of the tracks which we'd had for a long time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 17:00:18 GMT -5
The Crimson Rambler Do you know when was She's Electric written ? I think I remember reading it was in march 1992, but I don't find the interview again. Almost certainly between June and Dec 1993 (the dating parameters of Noel's 1993 notebook). It doesn't feature in the earliest page but does so in the later ones, hence why I'm extrapolating that it was written during that period of time. Hope that helps! The only song that eventually got released that you can say absolutely existed in 1992 was an instrumental version of Columbia. Songs which could have been around in 1992 (but not necessarily are) are 'Alive', 'Bring It On Down', 'Cloudburst', 'Digsy's Dinner', 'D'Yer Wanna Be a Spaceman', 'Fade Away', 'Married With Children', 'Rock 'N' Roll Star' and 'Whatever'*. It's not impossible for 'Half the World Away', (It's Good) To Be Free, 'I Will Believe', 'Sad Song' or 'Take Me Away' to have existed in 1992 either but The Real People make no mention of any of these songs being presented to them in Spring 1993. If you want my 2 cents the bands best songs at the turn of 1993 probably wasn't much cop. 1993 was the year it all really happened - probably because he'd just been fired as a roadie. * 'Whatever' might be incorrect. I need to do a little more research first. Interesting, thanks ! It shows that Noel really began to fulfill his potential as a songwriter when he was around 25, like most songwriters. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 14, 2019 11:53:57 GMT -5
Couple of questions: - What's the deal with the 'Shakermaker (Slide Up Mix)'? Was it the bands Monnow Valley attempt before reverting back to the demo? By the looks of a typically fantastic davidjay post here the 'Slide Up Mix' is simply a different mix of the demo. Having synced these tracks up on Audacity (The "Whatever Demo" is ~3.33% faster) I can confirm they are exactly the same. Contrary to Mr Monobrow's fantastic website I believe 'Up In the Sky' was done at Porter Street with The Real People. This is line with what Jim has posted here. I still need to find the source though. Like deadman says Mark Coyle name checks these tracks in the inner sleeve to the rereleased 'Live Demonstration' tape. Chris Griffiths also name checks 'Comin' On Strong' and 'Lock All the Doors' on The Oasis Podcast. The clincher though for me is comparing the Live Demonstration release of 'Strange Thing' to the 'Strange Thing' that came with 'Must Be the Music', 'Lock All the Doors' & 'Comin' On Strong'. I believe that the 'Live Demonstration' version is the same performance only the right channel has been mono-ed, compression has been added and the " Recording" exclamation (similarly heard on the demo (version 1) of 'Columbia') and drum count in has been removed. You should be able to sync them up pretty well if you increase the tempo of the 'Live Demonstration' version by 1.4%. The feedback at the end is pretty distinctive and is a good indicator that it's the same performance. Note that the non 'Live Demonstration' version repeats the last few seconds of the track twice something I believe is simply a mistake. oasisunited gives a date of January 7th which corresponds to a (annoyingly unreferenced) note I found I made the other day. A good source for this would still be appreciated though!
Here's another question: - When did Noel first move to Chiswick? I've heard he was living opposite Eden Studios so perhaps he was there when they went in in early 1994? |
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Post by asimarx on Jan 14, 2019 14:47:14 GMT -5
Couple of questions: - What's the deal with the 'Shakermaker (Slide Up Mix)'? Was it the bands Monnow Valley attempt before reverting back to the demo? - Is the 'Live Forever' demo (from the NME 'Creation for the Nation' give away) the same version as that on the "Whatever Demos"? To me it sounds the same, just much higher quality and running at a slightly different speed - like the 'Married with Children' and 'D'Yer Wanna Be a Spaceman?' "Whatever Demos". - The demos for 'Live Forever', 'Up In the Sky' and 'Digsy's Dinner' were all supposedly recorded at Loco Studios in September 1993. Does anyone know the source for this? - How do we know that the recorded rehearsals of 'Must Be the Music', 'Comin' On Strong', 'Lock All the Doors' and 'Strange Thing' come from Porter Street and not from the bands rehearsal space under the Boardwalk? - Does anyone know the date the band went into Monnow Valley? I hear late 93/early 94 but something more precise would be very helpful! Hey The Crimson Rambler, you're doing a great job investigating Oasis' early years. I'm really glad there's still some folks around, you know who you are, trying to fill the gaps in the timeline and acquring new information. I'd like to invest more but time has become scarce for me lately. Anyway, regarding the Loco Session, if I remember right, I took some photos of tracking sheets from that session that were on display at the last Chasing the Sun exhibition in Manchester 2016 that might verify some things. Will try to dig them out later this week. |
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Post by oasisunited on Jan 14, 2019 15:05:26 GMT -5
Couple of questions: - Does anyone know the date the band went into Monnow Valley? I hear late 93/early 94 but something more precise would be very helpful! If you trust this site, it claims they started recording at Monnow Valley on January 7th, 1994. I believe that they were there for a couple of weeks, so that would put all of the recording in January, if true. |
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Post by World71R on Jan 14, 2019 15:16:19 GMT -5
Couple of questions: - Does anyone know the date the band went into Monnow Valley? I hear late 93/early 94 but something more precise would be very helpful! If you trust this site, it claims they started recording at Monnow Valley on January 7th, 1994. I believe that they were there for a couple of weeks, so that would put all of the recording in January, if true. Hey that's The Current, that's a good website. The Current is a great music station run through Minnesota Public Radio. They play a fair share of Oasis and Oasis-related stuff and other really good stuff (e.g. they played Morning Glory yesterday at about 11:20 am Central). |
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Post by oasisunited on Jan 14, 2019 15:34:56 GMT -5
If you trust this site, it claims they started recording at Monnow Valley on January 7th, 1994. I believe that they were there for a couple of weeks, so that would put all of the recording in January, if true. Hey that's The Current, that's a good website. The Current is a great music station run through Minnesota Public Radio. They play a fair share of Oasis and Oasis-related stuff and other really good stuff (e.g. they played Morning Glory yesterday at about 11:20 am Central). Sorry...I did not mean to imply that the site itself was not trustworthy -- merely that there is no citation to where they got the fact that the recording began on January 7th. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 8:41:27 GMT -5
Decent band.  |
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Post by Rolo on Jan 17, 2019 10:19:14 GMT -5
Always loved this version of Talk Tonight. What a brilliant song.
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Post by Derrick on Jan 17, 2019 12:50:16 GMT -5
Always loved this version of Talk Tonight. What a brilliant song. Brilliant indeed. I was never a fan of the original acoustic version, though I know many consider it an Oasis classic, but hearing this electric version in 2000 was a total shock, it sounds ace. I wish they'd played it live instead of it remaining a one-off. |
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Post by carlober on Jan 17, 2019 13:19:36 GMT -5
Ryan Adams is wearing an Oasis t-shirt on Instagram Live right now   |
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Post by Aman on Jan 17, 2019 15:05:01 GMT -5
Always loved this version of Talk Tonight. What a brilliant song. Brilliant indeed. I was never a fan of the original acoustic version, though I know many consider it an Oasis classic, but hearing this electric version in 2000 was a total shock, it sounds ace. I wish they'd played it live instead of it remaining a one-off. My thoughts exactly. |
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