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Post by mystoryisgory on Dec 25, 2015 17:45:37 GMT -5
This theory proposes that, every third album in a row in the same style by an artist will either be poorly received by the public or simply not as good as the first two. Examples: Oasis: Definitely Maybe, Morning Glory, Be Here Now Blur: Modern Life Is Rubbish, Parklife, The Great Escape Coldplay: Parachutes, A Rush of Blood to the Head, X&Y U2: Achtung Baby, Zooropa, Pop Radiohead: Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief John Lennon: Plastic Ono Band, Imagine, Sometime in New York City (ok this one might be pushing it a bit) Now of course this theory doesn't hold true for all bands and I'm certainly cherry-picking my examples, but it's something interesting to think about, isn't it? What other examples can you find? Is this phenomenon the result of the possibility that an artist might write three albums' worth of material at a time in a creative peak, and by the time they get to the third album, there aren't any good songs left? Perhaps it's due to the fact that many bands establish themselves with two great albums and their third fails to live up to the hype? What are some other explanations? Should artists change direction every three albums to avoid this trend? Should this be a cause for concern for Noel's third solo album? Discuss!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 17:49:33 GMT -5
It depends on the band .... Zep did not even write there best stuff til physical. Pink Floyd were well into there lp s before they released wish you were here ..........artists should only change direction if there direction was lost ...... IMO.
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Post by Manualex on Dec 25, 2015 18:19:04 GMT -5
This theory proposes that, every third album in a row in the same style by an artist will either be poorly received by the public or simply not as good as the first two. Examples: Oasis: Definitely Maybe, Morning Glory, Be Here Now Blur: Modern Life Is Rubbish, Parklife, The Great Escape Coldplay: Parachutes, A Rush of Blood to the Head, X&Y U2: Achtung Baby, Zooropa, Pop Radiohead: Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief John Lennon: Plastic Ono Band, Imagine, Sometime in New York City (ok this one might be pushing it a bit) Now of course this theory doesn't hold true for all bands and I'm certainly cherry-picking my examples, but it's something interesting to think about, isn't it? What other examples can you find? Is this phenomenon the result of the possibility that an artist might write three albums' worth of material at a time in a creative peak, and by the time they get to the third album, there aren't any good songs left? Perhaps it's due to the fact that many bands establish themselves with two great albums and their third fails to live up to the hype? What are some other explanations? Should artists change direction every three albums to avoid this trend? Should this be a cause for concern for Noel's third solo album? Discuss!! Radiohead from The Bends to Kid A, the manics from Holy Bible to This is My Truth, Tell Me Yours |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Dec 25, 2015 18:23:17 GMT -5
This theory proposes that, every third album in a row in the same style by an artist will either be poorly received by the public or simply not as good as the first two. Examples: Oasis: Definitely Maybe, Morning Glory, Be Here Now Blur: Modern Life Is Rubbish, Parklife, The Great Escape Coldplay: Parachutes, A Rush of Blood to the Head, X&Y U2: Achtung Baby, Zooropa, Pop Radiohead: Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief John Lennon: Plastic Ono Band, Imagine, Sometime in New York City (ok this one might be pushing it a bit) Now of course this theory doesn't hold true for all bands and I'm certainly cherry-picking my examples, but it's something interesting to think about, isn't it? What other examples can you find? Is this phenomenon the result of the possibility that an artist might write three albums' worth of material at a time in a creative peak, and by the time they get to the third album, there aren't any good songs left? Perhaps it's due to the fact that many bands establish themselves with two great albums and their third fails to live up to the hype? What are some other explanations? Should artists change direction every three albums to avoid this trend? Should this be a cause for concern for Noel's third solo album? Discuss!! , the manics from Holy Bible to This is My Truth, Tell Me Yours is probably the greatest run of 3 albums in a row since Rubber Soul - Revolver - Sgt. Pepper.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 18:30:44 GMT -5
Radiohead from The Bends to Kid A, the manics from Holy Bible to This is My Truth, Tell Me Yours is probably the greatest run of 3 albums in a row since Rubber Soul - Revolver - Sgt. Pepper. Ok I know I'm old and dumb , but are you being serious  ?? first off Dm Wtsmg BHN beats that .....Zep 1 2 and 3. Wish you were here , animals , and the wall And I did not even include dark side ........ Take any run of Springsteen in the 70 s ..... and that's just getting started first off |
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Post by carryusall on Dec 25, 2015 18:36:16 GMT -5
Lodger is the third, last and worst of the Berlin trilogy.
I'm just not sure you can successfully make the same album three times. The third album will suffer unless you change things up.
Which worries me about The National's next album. High Violet and Trouble will find me were both great records, but more or less the same sound. They need to change things up for the next one or things will get stale
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 18:54:26 GMT -5
the killers - day & age
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 19:02:55 GMT -5
my personal opinion of the killers is they were fairly average after hot fuss, they lost their unique sound after only 1 album, they had a selection of decent tracks across the rest of their albums but nothing stands up to that first album, hot fuss is one of my all time favourites, every song on that album is pretty damn good, but yea I agree day & age was a step down overall. |
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Post by matt on Dec 25, 2015 19:20:14 GMT -5
It's a trend that is kind of a habit I agree. Though Hail To The Thief does have some of Radiohead's best work on it, at worst I'd say it's messy (There There is in my top 5 tunes of theirs).
And War by U2 is the third in their initial post-punk phase yet was probably their best album to date. Boy and October seemed to be leading up to that moment when they refined their craft to write spiky anthems like Sunday Bloody Sunday, Refugee and New Year's Day.
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Post by Jack on Dec 25, 2015 21:02:05 GMT -5
A Storm In Heaven - A Northern Soul - Urban Hymns
A music trilogy of dreams!
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Post by World71R on Dec 25, 2015 21:28:03 GMT -5
One buck in this trend is RHCP's run in the 2000s:
Californication, By the Way, Stadium Arcadium
SA has often been regarded more highly than the other two, and is even considered to be their best album, alongside Blood Sugar Sex Magik.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 25, 2015 21:52:23 GMT -5
Still not made it all the way through The Great Escape
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 26, 2015 5:02:11 GMT -5
The Jam had a second album curse with This Is The Modern World which was released a half year later their debut album.
Band was strugging with "one of those punk bands" image they received with In The City. Although This Is The Modern World has got good songs like the title song, London Girl and a great upbeat cover of In The Midnight Hour, the album was nowhere near to their debut album...
BUT then All Mod Cons came a year later and this album saved the band.
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 26, 2015 5:44:18 GMT -5
I'd take "The Bends - Ok Computer - Kid A" over Led Zepplins 1-3 run, over any Bruce Springsteen you can put together and Oasis' first three. You could say that Ok Computer is the best album of the 90's and Kid A is the best album of the 00's and be totally respected - who else has that status in two consecutive decades? It's certainly arguable and down to taste but that run is undoubtedly in the conversation of "best since The Beatles" - when an album with Pyramid Song, You & Who's Army?, Knives Out, I Might Be Wrong, Like Spinning Plates and Life in a Glasshouse ends your streak, you know you've been on pretty good form. I'd also put "Agaetis Bryjun - ( ) - Takk" up there as well.
The third album curse is definitely kinda a thing though, I think it what happens most often can be summed up by Coldplay - the first two (especially AROBTTH) sound leaner, more honest and powerful because they're the sound of a band striking out at the "biggest band in the world" status - then the third is the bloated, less exciting sound of the biggest band in the world trying to hold on to that status. Be Here Now fits this as well.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 26, 2015 7:17:39 GMT -5
I thought it was the second album that was usually a curse. "The difficult second album". Anyway, definitely depends on the band. Some bands reach their peak early, while others reach it way later, and bands that are pretty consistent.
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Post by kingcrawler on Dec 26, 2015 7:30:27 GMT -5
I thought it was the second album that was usually a curse. "The difficult second album". Anyway, definitely depends on the band. Some bands reach their peak early, while others reach it way later, and bands that are pretty consistent. I dunno, I've heard both sayings. I think with the third album it's that a band can get away with just releasing a similar album to their debut for their second album but people would start to get a bit bored by their third unless the band tried something different. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Dec 26, 2015 7:31:57 GMT -5
I've always thought of Be Here Now as the archetypal example of the '3rd Album Curse'. I actually can't think of too many other examples off the top of my head (though I'm sure there are tonnes) but I'll throw Frank Black's The Cult Of Ray and Death Grips' Government Plates names into the ring.
On the other point which seems to have sprung up, if we're talking about runs of successive great albums I think it would be unwise to limit it to 3 especially when talking about certain bands, Led Zeppelin certainly being one of them. I mean why talk about I, II & III when IV is frequently considered the best? Do you then shift your 3 limit boundary along one and miss out I? What about Houses Of The Holy and Physical Graffiti? Maybe the 3 album limit works pretty neatly in Radiohead's case but it would be very unfair for other bands. The Pixies for example are known for the strength and consistency of their small output of 4 albums over 4 years (5 in 5 if you include mini-LP Come On Pilgrim) so to exclude either the first or last album for some arbitrary rule is just silly. Nothing beats Surfer Rosa-Doolittle-Bossanova-Trompe Le Monde in my book and I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear Thom Yorke & Greenwood give some nod of approval.
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 26, 2015 10:59:38 GMT -5
I'd take "The Bends - Ok Computer - Kid A" over Led Zepplins 1-3 run, over any Bruce Springsteen you can put together Music is so subjective and one of the silliest things to argue over but here I go. I love Radiohead. In my top five artist of all time. But even though Radiohead are better musicians than Springsteen, I'll never feel the way about a Radiohead album as a Springsteen one. I'd still take Born to Run, Darkness on the Edge of Town, and Nebraska as a group over those Radiohead albums. Why? Because thoae albums stir up emotions in you when you listen to them. Springsteens a better story teller than Thom. A song like Exit Music For A Film is a great song but Springsteen wrote that one many times. I love Thom as a lyricist but some of his songs make zero sense. I feel like I need a cryptographer to understand half of his songs. Back to the original post I'd put the Strokes in that group. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 11:00:28 GMT -5
Bringing It All Back Home - Highway 61 Revisited - Blonde On Blonde
Love - Da Capo - Forever Changes
Please Please Me - With The Beatles - A Hard Day's Night
Rubber Soul - Revolver - Sgt. Pepper
Five Leaves Left - Bryter Layter - Pink Moon
The Smiths - Meat Is Murder - The Queen Is Dead
A Storm In Heaven - A Northern Soul - Urban Hymns
Always thought it was the other way around to be honest
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Dec 26, 2015 11:02:12 GMT -5
Blurs 3rd album was Parklife.
Their most successful record.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 26, 2015 11:08:55 GMT -5
This theory proposes that, every third album in a row in the same style by an artist will either be poorly received by the public or simply not as good as the first two. Examples: Oasis: Definitely Maybe, Morning Glory, Be Here Now Blur: Modern Life Is Rubbish, Parklife, The Great Escape Coldplay: Parachutes, A Rush of Blood to the Head, X&Y U2: Achtung Baby, Zooropa, Pop Radiohead: Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief John Lennon: Plastic Ono Band, Imagine, Sometime in New York City (ok this one might be pushing it a bit) Now of course this theory doesn't hold true for all bands and I'm certainly cherry-picking my examples, but it's something interesting to think about, isn't it? What other examples can you find? Is this phenomenon the result of the possibility that an artist might write three albums' worth of material at a time in a creative peak, and by the time they get to the third album, there aren't any good songs left? Perhaps it's due to the fact that many bands establish themselves with two great albums and their third fails to live up to the hype? What are some other explanations? Should artists change direction every three albums to avoid this trend? Should this be a cause for concern for Noel's third solo album? Discuss!! Blur's first album was Leisure. |
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Post by andybellwillring on Dec 26, 2015 12:29:50 GMT -5
This theory proposes that, every third album in a row in the same style by an artist will either be poorly received by the public or simply not as good as the first two. Examples: Oasis: Definitely Maybe, Morning Glory, Be Here Now Blur: Modern Life Is Rubbish, Parklife, The Great Escape Coldplay: Parachutes, A Rush of Blood to the Head, X&Y U2: Achtung Baby, Zooropa, Pop Radiohead: Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief John Lennon: Plastic Ono Band, Imagine, Sometime in New York City (ok this one might be pushing it a bit) Now of course this theory doesn't hold true for all bands and I'm certainly cherry-picking my examples, but it's something interesting to think about, isn't it? What other examples can you find? Is this phenomenon the result of the possibility that an artist might write three albums' worth of material at a time in a creative peak, and by the time they get to the third album, there aren't any good songs left? Perhaps it's due to the fact that many bands establish themselves with two great albums and their third fails to live up to the hype? What are some other explanations? Should artists change direction every three albums to avoid this trend? Should this be a cause for concern for Noel's third solo album? Discuss!! Blur's first album was Leisure. U2's first album isn't Achtung Baby, and Radiohead's first isn't Kid A. Hence why Aussie said "in the same style". |
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Post by mossy on Dec 26, 2015 12:42:53 GMT -5
SA has often been regarded more highly than the other two, and is even considered to be their best album, alongside Blood Sugar Sex Magik. By who!? That's a downward spiral that proves the OP's theory for me. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 26, 2015 13:00:32 GMT -5
Blur's first album was Leisure. U2's first album isn't Achtung Baby, and Radiohead's first isn't Kid A. Hence why Aussie said "in the same style". Then the John Lennon one doesn't make sense. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 26, 2015 14:22:22 GMT -5
Anyone else got any counter arguments?
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