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Post by asimarx on Dec 26, 2015 14:40:01 GMT -5
Gish followed by Siamese Dream followed by Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. Now that's quite a built up.
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Post by World71R on Dec 26, 2015 22:07:57 GMT -5
Gish followed by Siamese Dream followed by Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. Now that's quite a built up. Yea, but that Siamese Dream, Melon Collie, Adore run though...  |
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Post by matt on Dec 26, 2015 22:12:05 GMT -5
I'd take "The Bends - Ok Computer - Kid A" over Led Zepplins 1-3 run, over any Bruce Springsteen you can put together Music is so subjective and one of the silliest things to argue over but here I go. I love Radiohead. In my top five artist of all time. But even though Radiohead are better musicians than Springsteen, I'll never feel the way about a Radiohead album as a Springsteen one. I'd still take Born to Run, Darkness on the Edge of Town, and Nebraska as a group over those Radiohead albums. Why? Because thoae albums stir up emotions in you when you listen to them. Springsteens a better story teller than Thom. A song like Exit Music For A Film is a great song but Springsteen wrote that one many times. I love Thom as a lyricist but some of his songs make zero sense. I feel like I need a cryptographer to understand half of his songs. Back to the original post I'd put the Strokes in that group. Springsteen had a near perfect run of 8 albums from 'Greetings...' to 'Tunnel of Love'. That's the 70s and 80s where he just could not do anything wrong, even if he did suffer doubts and depression in the 80s (hence the bigger gap between albums). I can't think of many acts as consistently great as that - even The Beatles had the odd weak one (Beatles For Sale for example is much worse than anything by Bruce from the 70s/80s). It was only until 1992 with Human Touch/Lucky Town double bill that he made his first misstep. |
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Post by World71R on Dec 26, 2015 22:24:33 GMT -5
SA has often been regarded more highly than the other two, and is even considered to be their best album, alongside Blood Sugar Sex Magik. By who!? That's a downward spiral that proves the OP's theory for me. I guess I've seen it on some of the RHCP forums, and its subreddit, that SA has been ranked and voted for as the second best RHCP album in many cases. I do get where you're coming from, though. A lot of places have ranked BSSM and Cali as the first two more often than not. |
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Post by World71R on Dec 26, 2015 22:31:32 GMT -5
SA has often been regarded more highly than the other two, and is even considered to be their best album, alongside Blood Sugar Sex Magik. By who!? That's a downward spiral that proves the OP's theory for me. I guess I've seen it on many RHCP sites, and its subreddit, that SA has been voted as the second best RHCP album, but I do get where you're coming from. Many sites have ranked BSSM and Cali as the two best RHCP albums, and I don't refute that at all. Those two albums are really good, but personally, I'd rank Cali lower than SA for the production/mixing. The production on Cali is sloppy, whereas the production SA is clean and each instrument is distinctive in the mix, despite getting the loudness treatment in the mastering phase. |
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Post by World71R on Dec 26, 2015 22:32:09 GMT -5
Anyone else got any counter arguments? R.E.M: Green, Out of Time, Automatic for the People |
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Post by Manualex on Dec 27, 2015 0:37:58 GMT -5
Anyone else got any counter arguments? R.E.M: Green, Out of Time, Automatic for the PeopleUnfair, REM is the best band from their debut Murmur to Adventures in Hi-Fi(or monster if you ask other people). |
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Post by mossy on Dec 27, 2015 10:59:45 GMT -5
By who!? That's a downward spiral that proves the OP's theory for me. I guess I've seen it on many RHCP sites, and its subreddit, that SA has been voted as the second best RHCP album, but I do get where you're coming from. Many sites have ranked BSSM and Cali as the two best RHCP albums, and I don't refute that at all. Those two albums are really good, but personally, I'd rank Cali lower than SA for the production/mixing. The production on Cali is sloppy, whereas the production SA is clean and each instrument is distinctive in the mix, despite getting the loudness treatment in the mastering phase. Production comes a distant second to the tunes for me and Stadium Arcadium just doesn't have them imo. Would have been better trimmed down to a single disc I think, but even then wouldn't have the density of tunage that Californication has. |
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Post by rockitchris89 on Dec 27, 2015 14:38:50 GMT -5
I know that a lot of people here seem to dislike Green Day, but i think they give a good example of a great 3rd record. To this day people consider 'Dookie' as their best album and i have to agree.
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Post by World71R on Dec 27, 2015 16:45:34 GMT -5
I guess I've seen it on many RHCP sites, and its subreddit, that SA has been voted as the second best RHCP album, but I do get where you're coming from. Many sites have ranked BSSM and Cali as the two best RHCP albums, and I don't refute that at all. Those two albums are really good, but personally, I'd rank Cali lower than SA for the production/mixing. The production on Cali is sloppy, whereas the production SA is clean and each instrument is distinctive in the mix, despite getting the loudness treatment in the mastering phase. Production comes a distant second to the tunes for me and Stadium Arcadium just doesn't have them imo. Would have been better trimmed down to a single disc I think, but even then wouldn't have the density of tunage that Californication has. I agree that production does take a back seat to the tunes, but when the production is so sloppy that it takes away from the softer tunes ( Porcelain and Road Trippin') and softer moments on the album (the bridge part on Savior), it's get to be a problem. I think that while there are more big hits on Cali, as opposed to SA, but what makes SA better, imo, is that the band covers a wide range of sounds & genres, and sounds comfortable with what they're doing while writing some strong material. For example, you have your raw funk ( Charlie, Tell Me Baby, 21st Century, Turn it Again), tried-and-true melodic Chili Peppers rock ( Snow (Hey Oh), Wet Sand, Especially in Michigan, Dani California, Make You Feel Better), ballads ( She Looks to Me, Hard Concentrate), and songs that even dabble in folk ( Slow Cheetah, Desecration Smile), jazz ( Hey), RATM-like metal ( Readymade), and even ambient & electronic ( We Believe, Animal Bar). While Cali has the tunes, the sound seems grounded in melodic rock, raw funk, and slight looks at jazz and folk ( Porcelain and Road Trippin'), but the strongest moments come in the former two. With SA, there's a wide range of sounds and tunes that covers all the bases of their sound in one album, and I think if it would've been stripped down to just one disc, that would've come across a little clearer than what we did get with the two discs. As it is, though, I still think that we get a good roster of songs that cover a lot of bases, even if there is some filler on it ( If, Stadium Arcadium, She's Only 18), which is almost inevitable when you have 28 tracks. (By the way, cheers for this discussion on RHCP. I quite like that  ) |
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Post by Cast on Dec 27, 2015 16:45:33 GMT -5
Here's some band's whose third album are better than their first two. Some of these groups underwent some musical progressions.
Wilco - Summerteeth
Whiskeytown - Pneumonia
Spoon - Girls Can Tell
Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space
St. Vincent - Strange Mercy
The National - Alligator
My Morning Jacket - It Still Moves
Mac DeMarco - Salad Days
Future Islands - Singles
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Post by mossy on Dec 27, 2015 17:25:40 GMT -5
Production comes a distant second to the tunes for me and Stadium Arcadium just doesn't have them imo. Would have been better trimmed down to a single disc I think, but even then wouldn't have the density of tunage that Californication has. I agree that production does take a back seat to the tunes, but when the production is so sloppy that it takes away from the softer tunes ( Porcelain and Road Trippin') and softer moments on the album (the bridge part on Savior), it's get to be a problem. I think that while there are more big hits on Cali, as opposed to SA, but what makes SA better, imo, is that the band covers a wide range of sounds & genres, and sounds comfortable with what they're doing while writing some strong material. For example, you have your raw funk ( Charlie, Tell Me Baby, 21st Century, Turn it Again), tried-and-true melodic Chili Peppers rock ( Snow (Hey Oh), Wet Sand, Especially in Michigan, Dani California, Make You Feel Better), ballads ( She Looks to Me, Hard Concentrate), and songs that even dabble in folk ( Slow Cheetah, Desecration Smile), jazz ( Hey), RATM-like metal ( Readymade), and even ambient & electronic ( We Believe, Animal Bar). While Cali has the tunes, the sound seems grounded in melodic rock, raw funk, and slight looks at jazz and folk ( Porcelain and Road Trippin'), but the strongest moments come in the former two. With SA, there's a wide range of sounds and tunes that covers all the bases of their sound in one album, and I think if it would've been stripped down to just one disc, that would've come across a little clearer than what we did get with the two discs. As it is, though, I still think that we get a good roster of songs that cover a lot of bases, even if there is some filler on it ( If, Stadium Arcadium, She's Only 18), which is almost inevitable when you have 28 tracks. (By the way, cheers for this discussion on RHCP. I quite like that ) I used to be a big chilis fan but haven't listened to them for quite a few years now. I'll give SA a second chance over the next few days and let you know what I think... I may have been too quick to dismiss it given it is a double album. I never had any issues with production on Californication... but when it came out my "soundsystem" consisted of a PS1 and a mono TV! |
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Post by World71R on Dec 27, 2015 18:40:26 GMT -5
I agree that production does take a back seat to the tunes, but when the production is so sloppy that it takes away from the softer tunes ( Porcelain and Road Trippin') and softer moments on the album (the bridge part on Savior), it's get to be a problem. I think that while there are more big hits on Cali, as opposed to SA, but what makes SA better, imo, is that the band covers a wide range of sounds & genres, and sounds comfortable with what they're doing while writing some strong material. For example, you have your raw funk ( Charlie, Tell Me Baby, 21st Century, Turn it Again), tried-and-true melodic Chili Peppers rock ( Snow (Hey Oh), Wet Sand, Especially in Michigan, Dani California, Make You Feel Better), ballads ( She Looks to Me, Hard Concentrate), and songs that even dabble in folk ( Slow Cheetah, Desecration Smile), jazz ( Hey), RATM-like metal ( Readymade), and even ambient & electronic ( We Believe, Animal Bar). While Cali has the tunes, the sound seems grounded in melodic rock, raw funk, and slight looks at jazz and folk ( Porcelain and Road Trippin'), but the strongest moments come in the former two. With SA, there's a wide range of sounds and tunes that covers all the bases of their sound in one album, and I think if it would've been stripped down to just one disc, that would've come across a little clearer than what we did get with the two discs. As it is, though, I still think that we get a good roster of songs that cover a lot of bases, even if there is some filler on it ( If, Stadium Arcadium, She's Only 18), which is almost inevitable when you have 28 tracks. (By the way, cheers for this discussion on RHCP. I quite like that ) I used to be a big chilis fan but haven't listened to them for quite a few years now. I'll give SA a second chance over the next few days and let you know what I think... I may have been too quick to dismiss it given it is a double album. I never had any issues with production on Californication... but when it came out my "soundsystem" consisted of a PS1 and a mono TV! Sounds good. The second half is the best of the two halves, but the first half has some really memorable tracks like Dani California, Snow (Hey Oh), Charlie, Slow Cheetah, Especially in Michigan, Hey, Wet Sand, and even Torture Me for the insane bassline Flea nails down. Besides those ones, the first half is a little by-the-numbers, but you can definitely tell that it starts to get interesting with the way that a jazz rock tune closes it out. (Also, that sound system SCREAMS early 2000s/late-90s!) |
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Post by andybellwillring on Dec 27, 2015 18:46:56 GMT -5
Ride's Carnival of Light has it moments but Andy ruined it with his shit lyrics and boring tunes. Mark Gardener did better but the record as a whole really lacks what made the first two albums so great.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 9:11:49 GMT -5
Adele's latest album is selling in bulk, but I've yet to hear anyone I know call it a great album. It has a very eerie resemblance to Be Here Now in that way. Everyone says that it is just more of the same.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 28, 2015 17:16:50 GMT -5
Anyone else got any counter arguments? Are you making a last minute charge for the "most consistently on topic poster" at this year's Forum Awards? |
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