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Post by boneheadsbolero on Dec 11, 2015 13:04:31 GMT -5
Noel likes hearing himself talk. He's quite pleased with himself is our Noel.
He's his own biggest fan. How else to explain some of the rubbish he puts
on his records when he's got much better tunes lying around? He thinks
they're all great! They're not. He is of course a fool and fools want to be
heard. Naysayers are immaterial. It's all about him. There is only Noel!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 13:10:11 GMT -5
Noel likes hearing himself talk. He's quite pleased with himself is our Noel. He's his own biggest fan. How else to explain some of the rubbish he puts on his records when he's got much better tunes lying around? He thinks they're all great! They're not. He is of course a fool and fools want to be heard. Naysayers are immaterial. It's all about him. There is only Noel.yeah! noel fucking sucks |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 11, 2015 13:28:53 GMT -5
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Post by mattyo on Dec 11, 2015 17:28:00 GMT -5
What he said was really distasteful and ignorant. It made me cringe, just like that AIDS thing. I think he was joking with the drug habit line, but it was very poor and stupid. Those things and the constant slagging off of bands annoys the shit out of me, and it's embarrassing as well. He doesn't need that. He's funny and intelligent enough. Like someone else said he is on the verge of becoming a parody of himself. Other than that I still enjoy reading/listening/watching interviews, music and gigs. I'm a fan of Noel the musician first. The fact he's hilarious and witty in interviews is just a bonus. I don't care about his social life at all, I don't know the guy, what's it got to do with me? Two things that REALLY annoy me about this thread though are those "Poor Liam, at least he's out of the spotlights/does this or that". Okay firstly, this thread isn't about Liam so I don't know what the fuck that has to do with him and second, we all know Liam is no fucking saint, or some helpless misunderstood beaten up kid. You changed your tune. And I agree with everything, even the Liam stuff. He's as bad as Noel just not as 'charming'. Where Noel will make people howl with his drivel, Liam will get straight to the point "Fuck em, there shit" is his thing, straight to the bone and people don't like it. I dont know, but I get the feeling Liam is more 'real' though and less phoney. |
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Post by yellowd00d on Dec 11, 2015 18:23:41 GMT -5
I think some of you need some perspectve. Interviews are not conducted with us (the obsessive fans who read/watch/listen to everything he has ever been tangetially involved in) so for the vast majority of the intended audience the tesco story or the night with Morrisey will be fresh and the journalists intentionally want him to tell these stories so they can print them for their casual readers. As an obsessive i think it's a bit of a bummer but what can you do.
The same thing goes for the setlist. 99% of his audience wont see him more than once per tour and aside from being a bit stale by now, it's actually a really good set (imo). He kept all the best songs off HFB, he is doing the best ever live version of Champagne Supernova (fight me), and surprised almost everyone on the first gig when he did You Know We Can't Go Back which is bonkers live. Don't get me wrong, i wanted to die when he took Shout It Out Loud off the set before i got to see him and i would've loved to hear rarities from Be Here Now or old b-sides or even something odd like Part Of The Queue to shake things up but again, what can you do? Also he allegedly tried rehearsing While The Song Remains The Same (i don't get the love for this one) and The Girl With The X-Ray Eyes (brilliant) but thought they sounded "shite" live, make of that what you will.
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More variety in the set and during interviews would be fun but this is only a problem for the die hards who make up a fairly small percentage of his audience, the rest are happy to hear Whatever.
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Post by Aman on Dec 11, 2015 18:36:17 GMT -5
What he said was really distasteful and ignorant. It made me cringe, just like that AIDS thing. I think he was joking with the drug habit line, but it was very poor and stupid. Those things and the constant slagging off of bands annoys the shit out of me, and it's embarrassing as well. He doesn't need that. He's funny and intelligent enough. Like someone else said he is on the verge of becoming a parody of himself. Other than that I still enjoy reading/listening/watching interviews, music and gigs. I'm a fan of Noel the musician first. The fact he's hilarious and witty in interviews is just a bonus. I don't care about his social life at all, I don't know the guy, what's it got to do with me? Two things that REALLY annoy me about this thread though are those "Poor Liam, at least he's out of the spotlights/does this or that". Okay firstly, this thread isn't about Liam so I don't know what the fuck that has to do with him and second, we all know Liam is no fucking saint, or some helpless misunderstood beaten up kid. You changed your tune. And I agree with everything, even the Liam stuff. He's as bad as Noel just not as 'charming'. Where Noel will make people howl with his drivel, Liam will get straight to the point "Fuck em, there shit" is his thing, straight to the bone and people don't like it. I dont know, but I get the feeling Liam is more 'real' though and less phoney. Yeah, I can see what you mean. I think Liam genuinely has a "I don't give a fuck what others think of me" view. |
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Post by batfink30 on Dec 11, 2015 18:39:09 GMT -5
Fuck Noël.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 11, 2015 18:41:24 GMT -5
Yeah, well I don't see Liam offering any viable alternatives, do you?  |
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Post by mattyo on Dec 11, 2015 18:55:21 GMT -5
Yeah, well I don't see Liam offering any viable alternatives, do you?  |
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Post by batfink30 on Dec 11, 2015 19:15:49 GMT -5
Fuck Lïäm.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 12, 2015 3:38:29 GMT -5
What he said was really distasteful and ignorant. It made me cringe, just like that AIDS thing. I think he was joking with the drug habit line, but it was very poor and stupid. Those things and the constant slagging off of bands annoys the shit out of me, and it's embarrassing as well. He doesn't need that. He's funny and intelligent enough. Like someone else said he is on the verge of becoming a parody of himself. Other than that I still enjoy reading/listening/watching interviews, music and gigs. I'm a fan of Noel the musician first. The fact he's hilarious and witty in interviews is just a bonus. I don't care about his social life at all, I don't know the guy, what's it got to do with me? Two things that REALLY annoy me about this thread though are those "Poor Liam, at least he's out of the spotlights/does this or that". Okay firstly, this thread isn't about Liam so I don't know what the fuck that has to do with him and second, we all know Liam is no fucking saint, or some helpless misunderstood beaten up kid. You changed your tune. And I agree with everything, even the Liam stuff. He's as bad as Noel just not as 'charming'. Where Noel will make people howl with his drivel, Liam will get straight to the point "Fuck em, there shit" is his thing, straight to the bone and people don't like it. I dont know, but I get the feeling Liam is more 'real' though and less phoney. I didn't change my tune. The fact I don't like what some people posted doesn't mean I worship everything Noel does. I'm not some brainless teenage fangirl who drools over everything one does. I'm an adult who can see both sides of a story (I even HAVE to be able to do that). I've never been a hysterical nor a starstruck fan. They're all people and they all poop. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 12, 2015 8:37:30 GMT -5
What he said was really distasteful and ignorant. It made me cringe, just like that AIDS thing. I think he was joking with the drug habit line, but it was very poor and stupid. Those things and the constant slagging off of bands annoys the shit out of me, and it's embarrassing as well. He doesn't need that. He's funny and intelligent enough. Like someone else said he is on the verge of becoming a parody of himself. Other than that I still enjoy reading/listening/watching interviews, music and gigs. I'm a fan of Noel the musician first. The fact he's hilarious and witty in interviews is just a bonus. I don't care about his social life at all, I don't know the guy, what's it got to do with me? Two things that REALLY annoy me about this thread though are those "Poor Liam, at least he's out of the spotlights/does this or that". Okay firstly, this thread isn't about Liam so I don't know what the fuck that has to do with him and second, we all know Liam is no fucking saint, or some helpless misunderstood beaten up kid. I don't think anyone is saying Liam is saint, pretty obvious that isn't the case. I think they are saying that he doesn't court the press like Noel. Which looking back over Oasis and up to now is a fair enough point. Liam gets press for things in his private life, things he doesn't offer comment on himself. Noel gets press by offering comment on everything. They are quite different in that regard. I think that's what people like about Liam, he would probably rather been in a pub chatting to friends, fans than be sat on a sofa talking about himself to a journalist. That's not a slight on Noel either. Its great for fans that he does it, I mean imagine being a fan of The Stone Roses who literally say nothing for 5 years. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 12, 2015 15:29:07 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did spaneli really say Noel stopped being a good songwriter after the second album? I never read something so off base on this forum as that. Robohump called, he wants his thread back.  |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 12, 2015 16:01:49 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did spaneli really say Noel stopped being a good songwriter after the second album? I never read something so off base on this forum as that. Robohump called, he wants his thread back. I said he stopped being a great songwriter after after Morning Glory, which is not far off base, though you could make a case for Be here Now as a great album. He's still a good songwriter, but hasn't been great for sometime. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 12, 2015 22:57:05 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did spaneli really say Noel stopped being a good songwriter after the second album? I never read something so off base on this forum as that. Robohump called, he wants his thread back. I said he stopped being a great songwriter after after Morning Glory, which is not far off base, though you could make a case for Be here Now as a great album. He's still a good songwriter, but hasn't been great for sometime. I find this claim absolutely outrageous. I grant you that Noel never wrote another classic album after WTSMG (or BHN perhaps - as you correctly allude to), but that's for many reasons - LAG diluting the output, poor tracklisting choices, societal changes, musical industry altered, etc - but it was not to Noel losing his songwriting abilities. I'm not going to spend the time listing out all the great Post-90s songs Noel wrote, because it is indeed an extensive list. In fact, one can argue that since 2005's DBTT Noel has been on fine songwriting form. And, further that point, NGHFB is a very strong collection of songs that Chasing Yesterday only further improved upon. So no, I reject your claim that Noel lost his magic and that Noel is no longer a brilliant songwriter because the evidence is far to the contrary. Noel is a different songwriter now than what he was during 90s Oasis, for better or for worse, but he remains a fantastic songwriter. This thread makes me shake my head. |
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Post by Noeldemort on Dec 12, 2015 23:39:50 GMT -5
I still find him really great, thus why I'm entering Oasis this late... Discovered HFB and just felt like it's one of the best things ever.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 13, 2015 3:12:19 GMT -5
I agree. He may have never written another DM or Morning Glory, but to say he's never written another great song, is something I can't agree on. If we're talking about true classics, of the Wonderwall/DLBIA calibre then yes, those mostly happened in the 90s.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 4:15:53 GMT -5
Sometimes I feel like he hasn't been supportive of The Strypes,Temples,Jagwar Ma,Neon Waltz,Jake Bugg,he never said he loved the new Foals album,he never said he liked Florence and she should have been headlining Glastonbury from the start (not just because Dave hurt himself),never said that he likes Tame Impala or Disclosure...'cause he never did right? But the medias of course prefer to make a case for what he says just what he slags othher artists off,it sells more after all doesn't it...and you fall for it I thought Noel liked Temples. In fact, I'm sure it's because of Noel's recommendation that I went to see them in Glasgow and bought their album. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 13, 2015 4:30:07 GMT -5
Sometimes I feel like he hasn't been supportive of The Strypes,Temples,Jagwar Ma,Neon Waltz,Jake Bugg,he never said he loved the new Foals album,he never said he liked Florence and she should have been headlining Glastonbury from the start (not just because Dave hurt himself),never said that he likes Tame Impala or Disclosure...'cause he never did right? But the medias of course prefer to make a case for what he says just what he slags othher artists off,it sells more after all doesn't it...and you fall for it I thought Noel liked Temples. In fact, I'm sure it's because of Noel's recommendation that I went to see them in Glasgow and bought their album. He did- NME NME 2Agree with the idea they would sound epic on an empty death star  |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 13, 2015 4:41:54 GMT -5
Sometimes I feel like he hasn't been supportive of The Strypes,Temples,Jagwar Ma,Neon Waltz,Jake Bugg,he never said he loved the new Foals album,he never said he liked Florence and she should have been headlining Glastonbury from the start (not just because Dave hurt himself),never said that he likes Tame Impala or Disclosure...'cause he never did right? But the medias of course prefer to make a case for what he says just what he slags othher artists off,it sells more after all doesn't it...and you fall for it I thought Noel liked Temples. In fact, I'm sure it's because of Noel's recommendation that I went to see them in Glasgow and bought their album. I discovered many artists through Noel's recommendations...but let's pretend he only slags people off |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 4:57:11 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did spaneli really say Noel stopped being a good songwriter after the second album? I never read something so off base on this forum as that. Robohump called, he wants his thread back. I said he stopped being a great songwriter after after Morning Glory, which is not far off base, though you could make a case for Be here Now as a great album. He's still a good songwriter, but hasn't been great for sometime. its true tbf, Noels a good songwriter but he was once fantastic, I mean nothing he writes nowadays matches up to the brilliance of things like CS, he clearly has got better since albums like HC but hes not what he was, you could hear it in that radio 2 gig, his HFB songs are good but when he starts playing one of those old oasis tunes its just on a different level. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 13, 2015 7:57:42 GMT -5
I said he stopped being a great songwriter after after Morning Glory, which is not far off base, though you could make a case for Be here Now as a great album. He's still a good songwriter, but hasn't been great for sometime. its true tbf, Noels a good songwriter but he was once fantastic, I mean nothing he writes nowadays matches up to the brilliance of things like CS, he clearly has got better since albums like HC but hes not what he was, you could hear it in that radio 2 gig, his HFB songs are good but when he starts playing one of those old oasis tunes its just on a different level. I'm not sure I'd say some of the songs he's written post BHN both with Oasis and HFB could be compared with his early material,maybe they're not AS good but they're up there The thing with Noel in his prime is that he was consistently fantastic,while in the noughties he's either been occasionally great but also with some shitty stuff thrown in (HC) or consistently good with the occasional 2 or 3 great tunes (his solo stuff...even tho I think CY is the closest he's got to DM and WTSMG) |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 13, 2015 8:21:57 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did spaneli really say Noel stopped being a good songwriter after the second album? I never read something so off base on this forum as that. Robohump called, he wants his thread back. I said he stopped being a great songwriter after after Morning Glory, which is not far off base, though you could make a case for Be here Now as a great album. He's still a good songwriter, but hasn't been great for sometime. I mostly agree with this except to say he has had moments of greatness since BHN. I don't know why people would be annoyed by that, Noel had an incredible purple patch one that most songwriters could only dream of. Its rare for any writer to maintain that standard throughout their career. |
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Post by cloudburster on Dec 14, 2015 17:39:31 GMT -5
I know it's not a Liam v Noel thread, but for what it's worth I've met both and while it was amazing meeting Noel, Liam was a much nicer and friendlier guy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 18:00:22 GMT -5
Not sick of Noel the person ........... The artist. Yea think he is trying to hard to be. The WELLER of this generation , some may love that ...... I love the Noel of my younger days , and yes I know time does not stand still. But I still love keef. You know why ? He never changed
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