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Post by andymorris on Dec 9, 2015 6:29:15 GMT -5
Beady Eye died the moment they started playing Oasis songs. I reckon it pissed Liam off even more watching the fans going wild for two songs and not arsed about the rest, despite putting on a really good show up until then just doing their own stuff. It made him realise he wasn't going to get anywhere near Oasis's heights and he wouldn't settle, plus the baby and some kamikaze live shows, especially that MTV one. Still, all's well that ends well if Gem is back with Noel permanently, though I wouldn't be surprised if the old line up is retained for the live tour. Gem is in a different league to Tim, hopefully they read the reaction and make the decision to swap, if they haven't already. This could be an explanation as well. I really though BDI gigs were good without Oasis songs, they had some good moments live and with a few more records under their belt, a strong line up of songs would have made good gigs from song 1 to the last song. Maybe it was too difficult to begin again, be a new band and accept people not knowing all the songs. Just like news bands, they had to convince the audience all over again. It was not a done deal like Oasis gigs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 6:51:37 GMT -5
Yeah it was a step in the right direction but two albums in and they only really had one killer song (Flick Of The Finger). Well maybe there are people with a different opinion, who are able to enjoy more than one killer track. What other songs did you enjoy? I can count mine on one hand personally.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Dec 9, 2015 8:00:17 GMT -5
Well maybe there are people with a different opinion, who are able to enjoy more than one killer track. What other songs did you enjoy? I can count mine on one hand personally. I am an album listener. It is seldom that o listen to just one song. And BE has a great flow so I enjoy it as a whole record. And on Dgss I really like 4LW, millionaire, the roller, wigwam, kill for a dream and the morning son. The b sides were cool too and I enjoyed them.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Dec 9, 2015 8:43:51 GMT -5
1. Wow,didn't see that coming. 2. Noel looks happy with this. 3. Gem looked a bit embarrassed for the first time. 4. Good to see them together though. 5. Probably it's a one step closer to the eventual reunion. 6. Fair enough, the gig was brilliant. 7. Must feel a bit weird for Gem, no way it doesn't.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 9, 2015 8:57:42 GMT -5
Beady Eye died the moment they started playing Oasis songs. I reckon it pissed Liam off even more watching the fans going wild for two songs and not arsed about the rest, despite putting on a really good show up until then just doing their own stuff. It made him realise he wasn't going to get anywhere near Oasis's heights and he wouldn't settle, plus the baby and some kamikaze live shows, especially that MTV one. Still, all's well that ends well if Gem is back with Noel permanently, though I wouldn't be surprised if the old line up is retained for the live tour. Gem is in a different league to Tim, hopefully they read the reaction and make the decision to swap, if they haven't already. Bingo. I said that many many times over the years between DGSS and BE. I gave them 6-8 months once the first Oasis songs were performed and I think I pretty much nailed it. As a new "band" they needed to stay as far away as humanly possible to all things Oasis no matter the temptations. Creating a new band identity is rough and leaning on past glorious wasn't a long term solution. They weren't even songs members of Beady Eye wrote which I could possibly stomach more than playing Noel written tunes (despite Liam's voice defining those songs). BE was a great first step into the type of sound I wanted from the band. It's a shame we only got 2 albums. I thought they had 4 in them over a 11 year span.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 12, 2015 9:20:06 GMT -5
Beady Eye died the moment they started playing Oasis songs. I reckon it pissed Liam off even more watching the fans going wild for two songs and not arsed about the rest, despite putting on a really good show up until then just doing their own stuff. It made him realise he wasn't going to get anywhere near Oasis's heights and he wouldn't settle, plus the baby and some kamikaze live shows, especially that MTV one. Still, all's well that ends well if Gem is back with Noel permanently, though I wouldn't be surprised if the old line up is retained for the live tour. Gem is in a different league to Tim, hopefully they read the reaction and make the decision to swap, if they haven't already. Bingo. I said that many many times over the years between DGSS and BE. I gave them 6-8 months once the first Oasis songs were performed and I think I pretty much nailed it. As a new "band" they needed to stay as far away as humanly possible to all things Oasis no matter the temptations. Creating a new band identity is rough and leaning on past glorious wasn't a long term solution. They weren't even songs members of Beady Eye wrote which I could possibly stomach more than playing Noel written tunes (despite Liam's voice defining those songs). BE was a great first step into the type of sound I wanted from the band. It's a shame we only got 2 albums. I thought they had 4 in them over a 11 year span. Playing Oasis songs had nothing to do with Beady Eye's demise. I don't know why you would even forward that to be honest. That you got the timing right would be more likely to be coincidence than a relation between the two things.
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Post by mossy on Dec 12, 2015 16:11:57 GMT -5
30 seconds are enough And Shout It Out Loud should be on there I dig the vibes on "A Quick Peep". Noel said I was edited down from an 8 minute version to a 5 minute one and then finally 90 seconds. Got a cool late 60s Pink Floyd thing going on. Adding "Shout It Out Loud" makes the record very Noel heavy. I'd consider flipping "She Is Love" for it but not both. Given Noel's hyperbole it was probably 60 seconds edited to 45 seconds edited to 30...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:07:54 GMT -5
Bingo. I said that many many times over the years between DGSS and BE. I gave them 6-8 months once the first Oasis songs were performed and I think I pretty much nailed it. As a new "band" they needed to stay as far away as humanly possible to all things Oasis no matter the temptations. Creating a new band identity is rough and leaning on past glorious wasn't a long term solution. They weren't even songs members of Beady Eye wrote which I could possibly stomach more than playing Noel written tunes (despite Liam's voice defining those songs). BE was a great first step into the type of sound I wanted from the band. It's a shame we only got 2 albums. I thought they had 4 in them over a 11 year span. Playing Oasis songs had nothing to do with Beady Eye's demise. I don't know why you would even forward that to be honest. That you got the timing right would be more likely to be coincidence than a relation between the two things. I think it did somewhat it showed that they were going downhill imo, it was quite clear the crowds at the festivals etc only really liked the oasis stuff, Liam even said "you can go back to sleep now" after one cover and made a comment of "oh there you go" before another as the crowd suddenly perked up, it highlighted that their stuff wasnt as good and to make things worse they played songs like morning glory and didnt even try to fill in Noels parts making it feel like they were simply oasis minus noel. they shouldve played their own oasis songs, they wouldve gone well with the beady eye stuff, offered something different and it wouldve kept Noel out the equation. it might not of caused the demise per say but they certainly added them in and depended on them more because from view they knew the covers would bring in more people, beady eyes material on its own wasnt enough. a lot of the audience recordings on youtube were of the oasis stuff, rarely did you see ones of the beady eye songs, they clearly tried to be a new band and not play oasis songs on the first tour and it wasnt enough, the fact they were brought in just showed that they didnt have enough confidence in the new material to hold them over. I dont think Noels gigs would be so popular if he dropped the oasis songs so maybe it was a wise choice to put them in.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 12, 2015 23:30:11 GMT -5
Bingo. I said that many many times over the years between DGSS and BE. I gave them 6-8 months once the first Oasis songs were performed and I think I pretty much nailed it. As a new "band" they needed to stay as far away as humanly possible to all things Oasis no matter the temptations. Creating a new band identity is rough and leaning on past glorious wasn't a long term solution. They weren't even songs members of Beady Eye wrote which I could possibly stomach more than playing Noel written tunes (despite Liam's voice defining those songs). BE was a great first step into the type of sound I wanted from the band. It's a shame we only got 2 albums. I thought they had 4 in them over a 11 year span. Playing Oasis songs had nothing to do with Beady Eye's demise. I don't know why you would even forward that to be honest. That you got the timing right would be more likely to be coincidence than a relation between the two things. Well it certainly didn't help. Just gave more ammo to the nay Sayers. I pay Beady Eye the highest of compliments by always saying they should play their own material. I felt that strongly about it. They had enough to stand on their own creative legs.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 13, 2015 7:48:08 GMT -5
Playing Oasis songs had nothing to do with Beady Eye's demise. I don't know why you would even forward that to be honest. That you got the timing right would be more likely to be coincidence than a relation between the two things. I think it did somewhat it showed that they were going downhill imo, it was quite clear the crowds at the festivals etc only really liked the oasis stuff, Liam even said "you can go back to sleep now" after one cover and made a comment of "oh there you go" before another as the crowd suddenly perked up, it highlighted that their stuff wasnt as good and to make things worse they played songs like morning glory and didnt even try to fill in Noels parts making it feel like they were simply oasis minus noel. they shouldve played their own oasis songs, they wouldve gone well with the beady eye stuff, offered something different and it wouldve kept Noel out the equation. it might not of caused the demise per say but they certainly added them in and depended on them more because from view they knew the covers would bring in more people, beady eyes material on its own wasnt enough. a lot of the audience recordings on youtube were of the oasis stuff, rarely did you see ones of the beady eye songs, they clearly tried to be a new band and not play oasis songs on the first tour and it wasnt enough, the fact they were brought in just showed that they didnt have enough confidence in the new material to hold them over. I dont think Noels gigs would be so popular if he dropped the oasis songs so maybe it was a wise choice to put them in. Honestly, I think we need to stop saying things that we want to be rather than how things are. Going downhill? They had just released a decent album that was widely accepted as a step in the right direction, they were a tight live band who could have continued playing to crowds at the same level. Beady Eye had done the first album and then toured it without putting any Oasis songs in the set. I don't think it should be discounted that Liam just really wanted to play a few of them, maybe they all did. That might not show anything other than a wish to play them. Really, the only people who seem to have some sort of problem with 2 (Yes 2 OUT OF 17)Oasis songs in the set are people on here. Beady Eye had a small but quite committed fanbase. I would be willing to bet that the introduction of two Oasis songs didn't convince many to go who weren't going already. Not relly a shock at festivals? Casual fans who know the hits. I've seen Oasis at festivals where the crowd sleep through Columbia, Bring It On Down etc... Again this is where your own opinion comes back into it, Beady Eye didn't try to be a new band. They recorded two top 5 albums and went around the world a couple of times, I think they did enough. Playing a couple of songs they love and performed for over a decade didn't show anything about a lack of confidence for me.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 13, 2015 8:09:08 GMT -5
^ I don't think the problem is the fact that they played Oasis songs so much, rather than the fact they played Oasis songs that weren't written by any of them, and didn't play a single song written by any of them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 8:16:56 GMT -5
They should have played Turn Up the Sun, Eyeball Tickler and Thank You for the Good Times
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 13, 2015 8:26:25 GMT -5
^ I don't think the problem is the fact that they played Oasis songs so much, rather than the fact they played Oasis songs that weren't written by any of them, and didn't play a single song written by any of them. Again I don't think the people at the gigs were whipering to each other 'These lot shouldn't be playing this one'. I don't think it says anything about them other than there wish to play them. Most of the songs they did are songs Noel may well never play again and they were songs that Liam had a large part in making great. I don't see a problem with that and I don't think the majority outside of the superfan community did either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 9:19:58 GMT -5
I think it did somewhat it showed that they were going downhill imo, it was quite clear the crowds at the festivals etc only really liked the oasis stuff, Liam even said "you can go back to sleep now" after one cover and made a comment of "oh there you go" before another as the crowd suddenly perked up, it highlighted that their stuff wasnt as good and to make things worse they played songs like morning glory and didnt even try to fill in Noels parts making it feel like they were simply oasis minus noel. they shouldve played their own oasis songs, they wouldve gone well with the beady eye stuff, offered something different and it wouldve kept Noel out the equation. it might not of caused the demise per say but they certainly added them in and depended on them more because from view they knew the covers would bring in more people, beady eyes material on its own wasnt enough. a lot of the audience recordings on youtube were of the oasis stuff, rarely did you see ones of the beady eye songs, they clearly tried to be a new band and not play oasis songs on the first tour and it wasnt enough, the fact they were brought in just showed that they didnt have enough confidence in the new material to hold them over. I dont think Noels gigs would be so popular if he dropped the oasis songs so maybe it was a wise choice to put them in. Honestly, I think we need to stop saying things that we want to be rather than how things are. Going downhill? They had just released a decent album that was widely accepted as a step in the right direction, they were a tight live band who could have continued playing to crowds at the same level. the quality of BE means nothing, it didnt sell that amazing, DGSS sold more and I think most would agree that DGSS wasnt better. People had decided beady eye were shit or lost interest, they were playing smaller venues etc maybe downhill was the wrong word but they wernt climbing to any new heights "widely accepted" amongst us fans yes but th casual fanbase didnt care. doesnt matter if it was the right direction as I said in another thread, it was too late, had they carried on they mightve gotten more popular but then again maybe not.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 13, 2015 9:42:39 GMT -5
Honestly, I think we need to stop saying things that we want to be rather than how things are. Going downhill? They had just released a decent album that was widely accepted as a step in the right direction, they were a tight live band who could have continued playing to crowds at the same level. the quality of BE means nothing, it didnt sell that amazing, DGSS sold more and I think most would agree that DGSS wasnt better. People had decided beady eye were shit or lost interest, they were playing smaller venues etc maybe downhill was the wrong word but they wernt climbing to any new heights "widely accepted" amongst us fans yes but th casual fanbase didnt care. doesnt matter if it was the right direction as I said in another thread, it was too late, had they carried on they mightve gotten more popular but then again maybe not. Of course the quality means something. If you are going to go on to say they didn't have confidence in there material then you have to look at the album they put out. They thought it was pretty good and I think its fair to say most people thought it was a decent effort. What casual fan base was there who is going to care about a rock n roll album put out by a load of 40 somethings? What was to late? I think making the demise of Beady Eye about playing Oasis songs is a bit mad tbh. I think making it about the music in general may be a bit wide of the mark. I personally think it more likely that a combination of Gem's injury and Liam's frankly disastrous personal life brought it to an end.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 10:12:48 GMT -5
the quality of BE means nothing, it didnt sell that amazing, DGSS sold more and I think most would agree that DGSS wasnt better. People had decided beady eye were shit or lost interest, they were playing smaller venues etc maybe downhill was the wrong word but they wernt climbing to any new heights "widely accepted" amongst us fans yes but th casual fanbase didnt care. doesnt matter if it was the right direction as I said in another thread, it was too late, had they carried on they mightve gotten more popular but then again maybe not. Of course the quality means something. If you are going to go on to say they didn't have confidence in there material then you have to look at the album they put out. They thought it was pretty good and I think its fair to say most people thought it was a decent effort. What casual fan base was there who is going to care about a rock n roll album put out by a load of 40 somethings? What was to late? I think making the demise of Beady Eye about playing Oasis songs is a bit mad tbh. I think making it about the music in general may be a bit wide of the mark. I personally think it more likely that a combination of Gem's injury and Liam's frankly disastrous personal life brought it to an end. I mean your debut has to grab people, they set out wrongly with DGSS so BE being good didnt matter, BE was the type of thing that shouldve been their debut. Liams personal life and gems injury were big factors I think but if beady eye had been doing really well then there would be more reason to carry on, Liam already stated (even in joking way) that he wanted a hit or hed quit and thats basically what hes done, beady eye clearly wernt doing as well as they wouldve liked and with all the crap going on it just sealed the deal. you say what casual fanbase....what about Noel? hes doing alright isnt he?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 13, 2015 10:38:52 GMT -5
I'll tell you what, that run of bonus tracks on the Japanese version is probably he best stuff Beady Eye ever cooked up. Just fantastic.
Back After The Break Off At The Next Exit Girls In Uniform Evil Eye
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 13:32:22 GMT -5
I'll tell you what, that run of bonus tracks on the Japanese version is probably he best stuff Beady Eye ever cooked up. Just fantastic. Back After The Break Off At The Next Exit Girls In Uniform Evil Eye That's what I hate about Japan, all those good songs wasted to them. Let's All Make Believe, The Heart of a Star, I Can See It Now, I Believe in All.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 13, 2015 14:06:49 GMT -5
I'll tell you what, that run of bonus tracks on the Japanese version is probably he best stuff Beady Eye ever cooked up. Just fantastic. Back After The Break Off At The Next Exit Girls In Uniform Evil Eye That's what I hate about Japan, all those good songs wasted to them. Let's All Make Believe, The Heart of a Star, I Can See It Now, I Believe in All. Well I wouldn't say "wasted". The Japanese can be Oasis fans too. Besides, once released those songs are all around the world. They now live on people's computers in London, Berlin, Paris, East Lansing, Calgary, Athens, Hoboken, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 15:21:20 GMT -5
That's what I hate about Japan, all those good songs wasted to them. Let's All Make Believe, The Heart of a Star, I Can See It Now, I Believe in All. Well I wouldn't say "wasted". The Japanese can be Oasis fans too. Besides, once released those songs are all around the world. They now live on people's computers in London, Berlin, Paris, East Lansing, Calgary, Athens, Hoboken, etc. I know, I was just joking.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 14, 2015 6:26:36 GMT -5
Well I wouldn't say "wasted". The Japanese can be Oasis fans too. Besides, once released those songs are all around the world. They now live on people's computers in London, Berlin, Paris, East Lansing, Calgary, Athens, Hoboken, etc. I know, I was just joking.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Dec 14, 2015 13:42:33 GMT -5
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Dec 15, 2015 4:22:42 GMT -5
The reason beady eye split was because Liam had all the shit with his marriage and Gem's injuries completely stalled the momentum of BE.
Gem himself said they were writing for a 3rd album when Liam had enough.
On a side note I don't think Gem will play live regularly again. He doesn't look well enough.
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Post by freddy838 on Jan 17, 2016 14:46:28 GMT -5
Gem spotted on telly watching the snooker with Andy Goldstein. Never had him down as a snooker or sports fan. Guess it gives new meaning to Back After The Break.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jan 22, 2016 18:25:11 GMT -5
Gem spotted on telly watching the snooker with Andy Goldstein. Never had him down as a snooker or sports fan. Guess it gives new meaning to Back After The Break.
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