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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 7, 2015 22:35:44 GMT -5
I wonder what Oasisblues thinks of this Apparently he arrived in England not long after hearing about the lineup
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 8, 2015 0:30:38 GMT -5
Gem is cool as fuck. fact. Tweaked for truth.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 8, 2015 10:26:09 GMT -5
I actually wonder whether Gem regrets not going with Noel when oasis collapsed, Im not sure whether Noel wouldve wanted him in HFB to start with as Noel mightve wanted to start fresh without any baggage but now beady eye has gone (and didnt do amazingly well), you have to wonder whether hes a bit annoyed that he didnt try to stick with Noel. I wonder that as well, but I think that even if he did, he wouldn't admit it. He probably regrets it, but back then, joining Beady Eye was the only way to put his songs out to the world and to a wide audience. So it made sense. When you're a songwriter, sitting on tunes is the worst thing that can happen. Beady Eye could have succeeded. They overall had some good and okay songs, way better than most of the records released that day. It's the marketing that wasn't. Too close to Oasis.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 8, 2015 12:11:15 GMT -5
I do love Gemmy Bear.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 12:39:33 GMT -5
I wonder that as well, but I think that even if he did, he wouldn't admit it. He probably regrets it, but back then, joining Beady Eye was the only way to put his songs out to the world and to a wide audience. So it made sense. When you're a songwriter, sitting on tunes is the worst thing that can happen. Beady Eye could have succeeded. They overall had some good and okay songs, way better than most of the records released that day. It's the marketing that wasn't. Too close to Oasis. Beady Eye could never have suceeded. They didn't have good enough songs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 12:47:07 GMT -5
beady eye wouldve done better had they not rushed out DGSS and basically set theirselves out on the wrong foot, chosen better singles and actually had a good management / marketing team.
BE wasnt well below what Noel put out on HFB 1 but they had already made a name for theirselves of being below average with DGSS, too little too late imo.
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Dec 8, 2015 13:02:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 13:11:39 GMT -5
people have said he mustve stopped dying his hair but looking at those pictures his hair colour looks natural, think hes just started going grey, feel sorry for him after his injury, think it was a lot more serious than it was really made out.
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Dec 8, 2015 13:18:08 GMT -5
people have said he mustve stopped dying his hair but looking at those pictures his hair colour looks natural, think hes just started going grey, feel sorry for him after his injury, think it was a lot more serious than it was really made out. If that's true, the fact that he was there yesterday, healthy and playing the guitar deserves to be even more cherished. But you're right, his hair looks natural on these pictures. In the second you can slightly guess he's turning grey...
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 8, 2015 13:33:38 GMT -5
It's great to see Gem is back on the track now. Seeing him as one of Oasis and Beady Eye, I was concerned about him last year. There was something not quite right with him at my last Beady Eye gig last year.
Welcome back Gem Archer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 13:38:38 GMT -5
It's great to see Gem is back on the track now. Seeing him as one of Oasis and Beady Eye, I was concerned about him last year. There was something not quite right with him at my last Beady Eye gig last year. Welcome back Gem Archer. like I said really, something like what happened to him isnt sometimes a simple heal up and get on with it, can almost haunt people as too how serious it actually was, to me he seemed abit withdrawn and not into it as much as he was before it happened, maybe he got back on stage abit too early for the sake of beady eye and wasnt therefore totally back up together. we dont really know why beady eye split but maybe Liam etc was worried for gems health (among other things possibly) and wanted to just call it a day, we havnt seen or heard much of gem since they split, mightve been going through it abit.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 8, 2015 14:38:51 GMT -5
He probably regrets it, but back then, joining Beady Eye was the only way to put his songs out to the world and to a wide audience. So it made sense. When you're a songwriter, sitting on tunes is the worst thing that can happen. Beady Eye could have succeeded. They overall had some good and okay songs, way better than most of the records released that day. It's the marketing that wasn't. Too close to Oasis. Beady Eye could never have suceeded. They didn't have good enough songs. I could give you countless examples of bands who dont have good songs and sell more than Beady Eye. Truth is Liam couldn't be bothered to play smaller venues, he wanted arenas and stadium. BDI was doing, by any other band standard, just fine.
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Post by joladella on Dec 8, 2015 15:49:41 GMT -5
Truth is Liam couldn't be bothered to play smaller venues, he wanted arenas and stadium. BDI was doing, by any other band standard, just fine. Truth is, we don't know.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 8, 2015 15:54:11 GMT -5
Truth is there are, among myself, probably many people who don't give a fuck.
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Post by joladella on Dec 8, 2015 15:58:16 GMT -5
Truth is there are, among myself, probably many people who don't give a fuck. Truth is, there are probably some who give a lot of fucks and wait for the man himself to tell us one day. Which, to be fair, won't necessarily be the truth either, just his version.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Dec 8, 2015 16:03:28 GMT -5
truth is I want Beady Eye back, cause the direction they took with BE was great.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 17:57:26 GMT -5
truth is I want Beady Eye back, cause the direction they took with BE was great. Yeah it was a step in the right direction but two albums in and they only really had one killer song (Flick Of The Finger).
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 8, 2015 22:18:58 GMT -5
beady eye wouldve done better had they not rushed out DGSS and basically set theirselves out on the wrong foot, chosen better singles and actually had a good management / marketing team. BE wasnt well below what Noel put out on HFB 1 but they had already made a name for theirselves of being below average with DGSS, too little too late imo. Have to say Beady Eye did have a good manager in Scott Rodger at Quest Management, who has both industry respect and success with Arcade Fire, Bjork, Lily Allen and Paul McCartney amongst others. Although he didn't come in until the BE album cycle I wonder given the events of that period if he would have had any better success from DGSS era Beady Eye. As much as I like Liam it did come across to me that he was the problem for BE in certain aspects, causing a catch 22 because if you can't work with him as Beady Eye then what is the point of Beady Eye? Take the former Oasis front man out and you had just another band to the wider public. The reports of Liam having a love child and his reaction, taking up with a Quest employee which led to her dismissal and the refusal by Scott Rodger to take Beady Eye on for another album cycle, the spat with The Stone Roses in Dubai and I get the feeling that what makes Liam adored by many, i.e. his personality, temperament and unpredictability was also a problem for the band in making any headway commercially and professionally. I am not laying the blame for Beady Eye's (relative) failure entirely at Liam's door- as you have said a lack of decent management and poor promotion techniques for the first album certainly did not help, nor did Gem's unfortunate injuries during the BE album cycle that prevented the band performing some key shows that may have made some difference to the success of that record. The thing for me though is once DGSS came to be seen by many as unsuccessful then Liam seemed to lose enthusiasm for the band (understandable from a certain point of view) and once the first week sales of BE showed it wasn't going to match DGSS he seemed to go off down his own path and pretty much ignored what was best for the band, with his personal circumstances overshadowing it. That all said maybe the unpredictability of the man will lead to his next move musically, if their is one, being as much of a (hopefully pleasant) surprise to him as it is to the record buying public
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 8, 2015 22:43:50 GMT -5
I do love Gemmy Bear. Gemmy Bear on guitar through the eyes of a heavy mescal drinker:-
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Post by matt on Dec 8, 2015 23:43:13 GMT -5
Great to see Gem doing well. I think we'll be seeing a lot more from him with Noel in the next few years or so.
And with Andy doing well with Ride again (that really is where he comes into his own) and releasing interesting mixes on Soundcloud, that leaves Liam. It's nearly been a couple of years since we have heard anything from him aside from announcing the Beady Eye split, unusually quiet...
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 9, 2015 0:04:53 GMT -5
Great to see Gem doing well. I think we'll be seeing a lot more from him with Noel in the next few years or so. And with Andy doing well with Ride again (that really is where he comes into his own) and releasing interesting mixes on Soundcloud, that leaves Liam. It's nearly been a couple of years since we have heard anything from him aside from announcing the Beady Eye split, unusually quiet... This. Andy Bell to me is the text book example of following your own musical path (Ride) to attempting to create someone else's idea of music (Hurricane #1)
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Dec 9, 2015 1:49:47 GMT -5
truth is I want Beady Eye back, cause the direction they took with BE was great. Yeah it was a step in the right direction but two albums in and they only really had one killer song (Flick Of The Finger). Well maybe there are people with a different opinion, who are able to enjoy more than one killer track.
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Post by freddy838 on Dec 9, 2015 3:17:08 GMT -5
Beady Eye died the moment they started playing Oasis songs. I reckon it pissed Liam off even more watching the fans going wild for two songs and not arsed about the rest, despite putting on a really good show up until then just doing their own stuff. It made him realise he wasn't going to get anywhere near Oasis's heights and he wouldn't settle, plus the baby and some kamikaze live shows, especially that MTV one. Still, all's well that ends well if Gem is back with Noel permanently, though I wouldn't be surprised if the old line up is retained for the live tour. Gem is in a different league to Tim, hopefully they read the reaction and make the decision to swap, if they haven't already.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 5:26:20 GMT -5
Truth is there are, among myself, probably many people who don't give a fuck. Truth is, there are probably some who give a lot of fucks and wait for the man himself to tell us one day. Which, to be fair, won't necessarily be the truth either, just his version. don't believe the truth
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Post by andymorris on Dec 9, 2015 6:26:37 GMT -5
Truth is there are, among myself, probably many people who don't give a fuck. Truth is, there are probably some who give a lot of fucks and wait for the man himself to tell us one day. Which, to be fair, won't necessarily be the truth either, just his version. True, true. No need to add more. Except i really believe that's the reason, he couldn't be bothered being less liked than his big bro
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