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Post by Jim on Jan 8, 2017 4:25:27 GMT -5
Noticed FITB this time as read on here which seemed strange considering that wasn't about until SOTSOG. I'm sure Mat Whitecross mentioned in one of the interviews after the release of Supersonic that when asked why they used Fuckin' In The Bushes it was because the riff itself had been written in the 93-96 time period and that it fitted in during the segment it was played. |
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Post by Jgrp on Jan 8, 2017 4:31:45 GMT -5
Noticed FITB this time as read on here which seemed strange considering that wasn't about until SOTSOG. I'm sure Mat Whitecross mentioned in one of the interviews after the release of Supersonic that when asked why they used Fuckin' In The Bushes it was because the riff itself had been written in the 93-96 time period and that it fitted in during the segment it was played. Thanks. Still kinda feels out of place. A recording of it from 93-96 would have been more suited. Just like All Around the World wasn't out of place as it was footage from that era |
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Post by mimmihopps on Jan 8, 2017 4:36:03 GMT -5
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Post by frjdoasis on Jan 8, 2017 5:05:05 GMT -5
I'm sure Mat Whitecross mentioned in one of the interviews after the release of Supersonic that when asked why they used Fuckin' In The Bushes it was because the riff itself had been written in the 93-96 time period and that it fitted in during the segment it was played. Thanks. Still kinda feels out of place. A recording of it from 93-96 would have been more suited. Just like All Around the World wasn't out of place as it was footage from that era Agree. It feels completely out of place. |
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Post by davidjay on Jan 9, 2017 17:16:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 21:07:01 GMT -5
Nice!!
It better comes with the Knebworth release!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 18:03:43 GMT -5
I would pay a lot of money to see all the Rockfield footage. Liam with the fire extinguisher is definitely a highlight of Supersonic.
I also wonder if we will see more live releases except Knebworth. I would really love it.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jan 12, 2017 18:15:38 GMT -5
Such a lame excuse to include FITB.
Its so shit how there's been this need for Noel to try and rewrite Oasis history since the split. This documentary goes even further into doing that for the future generations to come. Like its been posted above, its ridiculous to write off the 13 years after the film as if it was nothing.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 12, 2017 18:18:58 GMT -5
*sigh*
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Post by Jgrp on Jan 15, 2017 2:54:22 GMT -5
Such a lame excuse to include FITB. Its so shit how there's been this need for Noel to try and rewrite Oasis history since the split. This documentary goes even further into doing that for the future generations to come. Like its been posted above, its ridiculous to write off the 13 years after the film as if it was nothing. Maybe we'll get parts 2 & 3, who knows. Agree it should of shown more, but even if they really just wanted to focus on this part, I can't understand why they imply after this they literally failed and went downhill. They say something along the lines of 'that's the negatives of the quick big success' can't remember the wording exactly but again, what was bad about it? They were on top of the world. |
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Post by beentherenow on Jan 15, 2017 3:33:31 GMT -5
Watched it for the second time yesterday and like others have said, I'm not the biggest fan of how and when it ended,
Of course they couldn't include everything of the bands history but Be Here Now is definitely part of the same narrative this documentary told.
They were still going up and up after Knebworth. Knebworth wasn't the peak; the release of Be Here Now and Dyou Know What I Mean? was
It's a well put together film with some great new footage but any newbies would think Oasis split in 96! Maybe that's how Noel in retrospect wants it
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Post by supernovadragon on Jan 15, 2017 4:50:27 GMT -5
After watching several times, I cannot for the life of me see what people's problem is with how the film ended. It ended perfectly.
Ok, so the idea that it ended after Knebworth (the film) could be considered bad but we knew that was how the film was ending before hand. I love the film and I love how it ends
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Post by joladella on Jan 15, 2017 6:05:44 GMT -5
Such a lame excuse to include FITB. Its so shit how there's been this need for Noel to try and rewrite Oasis history since the split. This documentary goes even further into doing that for the future generations to come. Like its been posted above, its ridiculous to write off the 13 years after the film as if it was nothing. Maybe we'll get parts 2 & 3, who knows. Agree it should of shown more, but even if they really just wanted to focus on this part, I can't understand why they imply after this they literally failed and went downhill. They say something along the lines of 'that's the negatives of the quick big success' can't remember the wording exactly but again, what was bad about it? They were on top of the world. Not sure if that's the quote you are thinking of, but Peggie Gallagher said sth about it all happened to quickly. But of course she does not give a fig about legacy or anything, just how it impacted her boys. |
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Post by Jgrp on Jan 15, 2017 6:31:19 GMT -5
Maybe we'll get parts 2 & 3, who knows. Agree it should of shown more, but even if they really just wanted to focus on this part, I can't understand why they imply after this they literally failed and went downhill. They say something along the lines of 'that's the negatives of the quick big success' can't remember the wording exactly but again, what was bad about it? They were on top of the world. Not sure if that's the quote you are thinking of, but Peggie Gallagher said sth about it all happened to quickly. But of course she does not give a fig about legacy or anything, just how it impacted her boys. Na it was said by one of the Gallagher lads, pretty sure it was Liam (which made it seem even more unfitting). I'll have to watch again and find it, it's near the end |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 8:20:28 GMT -5
After watching several times, I cannot for the life of me see what people's problem is with how the film ended. It ended perfectly. Ok, so the idea that it ended after Knebworth (the film) could be considered bad but we knew that was how the film was ending before hand. I love the film and I love how it ends I dont think its really the fact that it ends at knebworth is an issue per say its a good milestone but its just that, a mile stone, they cut the story off there when the band clearly went on for another 13 years, it gives the impression that they are glossing over the decline of the band in favour of only focusing on the golden years which is fine but still makes you think "well this isnt the whole story is it?" I think it wouldve been equally as intriguing to get the opinions of the band of what going on behind the scenes during those later years and why the band began to fail, an open book into Liams vocal decline, the brother relationship, what went on when bonehead left, bringing in Gem and andy, their resurgence in 2005 etc I get that it would be a more negative vibe than what they are going for here but at the end of the day, its all part of the story. it boils down to whether people want a whole rise and fall documentary or simply the rise to fame aspect, if your happy with the latter then supersonic is great, if your looking for a wider picture then its not going to do it for you completely. 1997-2009 doesnt NEED to be told but it is missing, its whether you bothered about that or not. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Jan 15, 2017 10:34:58 GMT -5
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Post by freddy838 on Jan 15, 2017 11:28:31 GMT -5
The documentary was great but it really needs a 10-part series on Netflix to tell the whole Oasis story.
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Post by supernovadragon on Jan 15, 2017 13:00:44 GMT -5
After watching several times, I cannot for the life of me see what people's problem is with how the film ended. It ended perfectly. Ok, so the idea that it ended after Knebworth (the film) could be considered bad but we knew that was how the film was ending before hand. I love the film and I love how it ends I dont think its really the fact that it ends at knebworth is an issue per say its a good milestone but its just that, a mile stone, they cut the story off there when the band clearly went on for another 13 years, it gives the impression that they are glossing over the decline of the band in favour of only focusing on the golden years which is fine but still makes you think "well this isnt the whole story is it?" I think it wouldve been equally as intriguing to get the opinions of the band of what going on behind the scenes during those later years and why the band began to fail, an open book into Liams vocal decline, the brother relationship, what went on when bonehead left, bringing in Gem and andy, their resurgence in 2005 etc I get that it would be a more negative vibe than what they are going for here but at the end of the day, its all part of the story. it boils down to whether people want a whole rise and fall documentary or simply the rise to fame aspect, if your happy with the latter then supersonic is great, if your looking for a wider picture then its not going to do it for you completely. 1997-2009 doesnt NEED to be told but it is missing, its whether you bothered about that or not. I get what you're saying but we all knew it would end at Knebworth and it's because of that, you just can't expect Be Here Now onwards really. I guess I must be in the minority but, I'm glad they didn't overfill it with Be Here Now onwards. It would have diluted the story, which was how a band from a council estate made it to Knebworth in just 3 years. Something which hadn't happened and probably won't again. Maybe a second one going from Be Here Now through to the end might be good, I'd watch it for sure, but it just wasn't needed in Supersonic. It's just right, just how it should be, as it is |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 13:46:31 GMT -5
I dont think its really the fact that it ends at knebworth is an issue per say its a good milestone but its just that, a mile stone, they cut the story off there when the band clearly went on for another 13 years, it gives the impression that they are glossing over the decline of the band in favour of only focusing on the golden years which is fine but still makes you think "well this isnt the whole story is it?" I think it wouldve been equally as intriguing to get the opinions of the band of what going on behind the scenes during those later years and why the band began to fail, an open book into Liams vocal decline, the brother relationship, what went on when bonehead left, bringing in Gem and andy, their resurgence in 2005 etc I get that it would be a more negative vibe than what they are going for here but at the end of the day, its all part of the story. it boils down to whether people want a whole rise and fall documentary or simply the rise to fame aspect, if your happy with the latter then supersonic is great, if your looking for a wider picture then its not going to do it for you completely. 1997-2009 doesnt NEED to be told but it is missing, its whether you bothered about that or not. I get what you're saying but we all knew it would end at Knebworth and it's because of that, you just can't expect Be Here Now onwards really. I guess I must be in the minority but, I'm glad they didn't overfill it with Be Here Now onwards. It would have diluted the story, which was how a band from a council estate made it to Knebworth in just 3 years. Something which hadn't happened and probably won't again. Maybe a second one going from Be Here Now through to the end might be good, I'd watch it for sure, but it just wasn't needed in Supersonic. It's just right, just how it should be, as it is I guess it depends on what certain people were expecting when they went into watching it, for example a film critic or casual fan may not have known the film would end at knebworth so when it does do that it probably left them feeling abit confused over why the story was being cherry picked liked that. the amy whinehouse doc for example covered everything I believe from her early life through her career to her death, its kind of what you would expect from a documentary like this, supersonic should probably subtitled "the rise of oasis" or something. I would think the likely reason for not covering those later rooms was because it was run of the mill stuff from a rock n roll band, people only really care for those early years, the post 2000 was a fairly boring oasis in comparison, there was too much irrelevant stuff to have to cover and it was filled with alot more negative things, it simply didnt have the same level of content and excitement. |
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Post by joladella on Jan 15, 2017 14:00:55 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what certain people were expecting when they went into watching it, for example a film critic or casual fan may not have known the film would end at knebworth so when it does do that it probably left them feeling abit confused over why the story was being cherry picked liked that. Watching the trailer might have helped to give them an idea.  "What happened to you in those 3 years?" "Now that's a big question. And it deserves a big answer." Seems pretty clear to me! Of course, a few words in the outro like "... and they went on to do blablabla, but that is another story" would not have been amiss for the totally clueless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 14:46:27 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what certain people were expecting when they went into watching it, for example a film critic or casual fan may not have known the film would end at knebworth so when it does do that it probably left them feeling abit confused over why the story was being cherry picked liked that. Watching the trailer might have helped to give them an idea. "What happened to you in those 3 years?" "Now that's a big question. And it deserves a big answer." Seems pretty clear to me! Of course, a few words in the outro like "... and they went on to do blablabla, but that is another story" would not have been amiss for the totally clueless. not really though is it? that question is still a valid question within the whole picture of oasis up until 2009, you can still ask that question and not think that it ends at knebworth. of course the trailer doesnt say anything or show anything from those later years but even words from their mam like "I wish it gone a different way but it hasnt" seems to me to hint more towards them falling out and the break up tbh. point is theres nothing to solidly say that it was ONLY the early years in the trailer, doubt many people really watched the trailer taking in every detail anyhow. |
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Post by beentherenow on Jan 15, 2017 14:46:34 GMT -5
I knew going into the film that it ended at Knebworth so I wasn't disappointed but when it happens it does feel sudden.
Knebworth to me is a weird time to end for me because it want the end of anything. Be Here Now signalled the end of the Glory Years.
Personally I would have ended it when Guigsy and Bonehead left and Noel was having his come down. Then again if they wanted to do it properly it would have been 3 hours long.
Don't get me wrong it's a great film but I just feel like I'm getting into it and it finishes. It feels like finishing a film half way through the final fight, no resolution, no calm, you want to know what happens
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 15, 2017 15:07:38 GMT -5
I knew going into the film that it ended at Knebworth so I wasn't disappointed but when it happens it does feel sudden. Knebworth to me is a weird time to end for me because it want the end of anything. Be Here Now signalled the end of the Glory Years. Personally I would have ended it when Guigsy and Bonehead left and Noel was having his come down. Then again if they wanted to do it properly it would have been 3 hours long. Don't get me wrong it's a great film but I just feel like I'm getting into it and it finishes. It feels like finishing a film half way through the final fight, no resolution, no calm, you want to know what happens I can see where you are coming from but for me the Oasis 1990's story was at least two separate parts being the formation up to Knebworth with the rise from a baseless fantasy of being the biggest band in the world to self mythologising then fact in the space of five years, followed by the 1996-1998/99 years where pretty much everything that could go against the band in terms of critical and public perception, internal politics and members, record releases, etc. did. 'Supersonic' for me told the story of the first part perfectly, and would have had to have been much longer and probably less celebratory to tell the remainder of that tale. A second (highly unlikely to say the least) documentary covering everything from MTV Unplugged to the end of the 'Be Here Now' tour using archive footage and a retrospective look back would tell a fantastic if perhaps cautionary tale on it's own, although as I say in a likelihood it would never happen. |
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Post by beentherenow on Jan 15, 2017 15:25:18 GMT -5
I knew going into the film that it ended at Knebworth so I wasn't disappointed but when it happens it does feel sudden. Knebworth to me is a weird time to end for me because it want the end of anything. Be Here Now signalled the end of the Glory Years. Personally I would have ended it when Guigsy and Bonehead left and Noel was having his come down. Then again if they wanted to do it properly it would have been 3 hours long. Don't get me wrong it's a great film but I just feel like I'm getting into it and it finishes. It feels like finishing a film half way through the final fight, no resolution, no calm, you want to know what happens I can see where you are coming from but for me the Oasis 1990's story was at least two separate parts being the formation up to Knebworth with the rise from a baseless fantasy of being the biggest band in the world to self mythologising then fact in the space of five years, followed by the 1996-1998/99 years where pretty much everything that could go against the band in terms of critical and public perception, internal politics and members, record releases, etc. did. 'Supersonic' for me told the story of the first part perfectly, and would have had to have been much longer and probably less celebratory to tell the remainder of that tale. A second (highly unlikely to say the least) documentary covering everything from MTV Unplugged to the end of the 'Be Here Now' tour using archive footage and a retrospective look back would tell a fantastic if perhaps cautionary tale on it's own, although as I say in a likelihood it would never happen. You're right in the fact there are two periods in their 90's years and this tells the first half but that's sort of my point; it only tells the half a story. As you say, the fact any sequel is extremely unlikely makes my want for more even greater It's almost a victim of its own success for me, because I enjoyed it so much I just wanted it to keep going! I've seen Oasis documentaries which have covered Be Here Now before but nothing on this scale. Seeing the recording of that album and the tour would be incredible |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 16:26:55 GMT -5
I knew going into the film that it ended at Knebworth so I wasn't disappointed but when it happens it does feel sudden. Knebworth to me is a weird time to end for me because it want the end of anything. Be Here Now signalled the end of the Glory Years. Personally I would have ended it when Guigsy and Bonehead left and Noel was having his come down. Then again if they wanted to do it properly it would have been 3 hours long. Don't get me wrong it's a great film but I just feel like I'm getting into it and it finishes. It feels like finishing a film half way through the final fight, no resolution, no calm, you want to know what happens I can see where you are coming from but for me the Oasis 1990's story was at least two separate parts being the formation up to Knebworth with the rise from a baseless fantasy of being the biggest band in the world to self mythologising then fact in the space of five years, followed by the 1996-1998/99 years where pretty much everything that could go against the band in terms of critical and public perception, internal politics and members, record releases, etc. did. 'Supersonic' for me told the story of the first part perfectly, and would have had to have been much longer and probably less celebratory to tell the remainder of that tale. A second (highly unlikely to say the least) documentary covering everything from MTV Unplugged to the end of the 'Be Here Now' tour using archive footage and a retrospective look back would tell a fantastic if perhaps cautionary tale on it's own, although as I say in a likelihood it would never happen. it wont happen, I think Noel probably carries a similiar view nowadays like bonehead that they probably shouldve packed up after knebworth, possibly another reason why this film chooses to conclude at that time, a 2nd film would be covering the more boring shittier side to oasis, even BHN while cool wasnt great due to the disappointment after WTSMG, plus Noels drug use, band members leaving, it couldnt of been apart of this film, it was the point when things start to break apart. but as in life, its the rollercoaster of sadness and happiness that forms the story from destination A to destination B, to simply cut out half the story because its just not as happy as the rest of it isnt how things work, for example they didnt refuse to mention amy whinehouses death simply because it would end on a sad note, thats the conclusion to the story, thats the end, they couldve done similiar thing of only focusing on her rise to fame but they chose not to, its down to choice tbh. dont get me wrong, like you I think the aim of what they were going for is here, its simply not a complete oasis documentary, you cant learn about oasis as a whole package in this film because over half of it is missing, its rather a story of triumph at which it concludes where they won so to speak, everything after that is merely what happened afterwards. |
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