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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 20, 2015 11:34:38 GMT -5
New season, new thread.
Arsenal vs. Bayern Munich in the Group Stages of the Champions League. Frankly, I don't mind crashing out of Europe - I'd rather prioritize winning the Premier League. Either way, Come on you Gooners!! #COYG #DoOrDie
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 20, 2015 15:40:50 GMT -5
Well done Arsenal and Chelsea!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 20, 2015 15:44:28 GMT -5
Well done Arsenal and Chelsea! Every single Arsenal player turned up. What a performance. Well deserved. I'd still rather focus on the Premier League, but I'll take every Arsenal win I can get. Really euphoric about this. We just beat the best team in the world, and Bayern weren't having a bad day, either which makes Arsenal's performance even more impressive. matt
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 20, 2015 15:51:38 GMT -5
It came down to very small margins as games between the best do.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 20, 2015 15:59:56 GMT -5
It came down to very small margins as games between the best do. Sure, Bayern looked the best with their fast passing, and tons of posession. But frankly, they didn't create much (thanks to Arsenal's superb defending - a phrase I may never say again, mind). Whereas Arsenal were a menace going forward. Very good match as far as a spectacle is concerned....didn't want it to end.
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Post by matt on Oct 20, 2015 16:53:28 GMT -5
Well done Arsenal and Chelsea! Every single Arsenal player turned up. What a performance. Well deserved. I'd still rather focus on the Premier League, but I'll take every Arsenal win I can get. Really euphoric about this. We just beat the best team in the world, and Bayern weren't having a bad day, either which makes Arsenal's performance even more impressive. mattTwo lines of defence, narrow too and restricted Munich to the wings. Well deserved victory and Bellerin was great in that second goal. That's basically the perfect example of how you beat Munich. David Moyes almost did the same a couple of years ago with Manchester United. Wenger outwitted Munich and it was the best defensive display I'd seen from Arsenal in years. But I don't think Munich are near the best team in the world though - they were the best, but I think Guardiola has made them incredibly lightweight compared to Jupp Heynkes squad a few years ago and they will crash out in the latter stages again I think. Munich should have hired Klopp if they wanted to continue their top form after Heynkes retired considering Heynkes replicated Klopps tactics at Dortmund - and succeeded with their better players. Now they look too lightweight and insipid compared to the Champions League winning side.
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Post by matt on Oct 20, 2015 16:55:53 GMT -5
^ Don't get me wrong, they are still a quality side who can beat any club on their day but Guardiola has made them a worse team I think.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 20, 2015 17:04:07 GMT -5
^ Don't get me wrong, they are still a quality side who can beat any club on their day but Guardiola has made them a worse team I think. Assuming AW does indeed leave in 2017, what are the chances of Guardiola taking over? I'm very weary of all these managerial guesses, and I think just because a manager is top quality with one side doesn't mean he'll be a good fit at another. Also, I don't want Martinez anywhere near Arsenal. Why people want(ed) him, I have no idea. He's just another Moyes.
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Post by Manualex on Oct 20, 2015 17:20:40 GMT -5
^ Don't get me wrong, they are still a quality side who can beat any club on their day but Guardiola has made them a worse team I think. Assuming AW does indeed leave in 2017, what are the chances of Guardiola taking over? I'm very weary of all these managerial guesses, and I think just because a manager is top quality with one side doesn't mean he'll be a good fit at another. Also, I don't want Martinez anywhere near Arsenal. Why people want(ed) him, I have no idea. He's just another Moyes. If Guardiola were to sign for any english side I would think City and his mate Tixi would be first in line.
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Post by matt on Oct 20, 2015 18:01:20 GMT -5
^ Don't get me wrong, they are still a quality side who can beat any club on their day but Guardiola has made them a worse team I think. Assuming AW does indeed leave in 2017, what are the chances of Guardiola taking over? I'm very weary of all these managerial guesses, and I think just because a manager is top quality with one side doesn't mean he'll be a good fit at another. Also, I don't want Martinez anywhere near Arsenal. Why people want(ed) him, I have no idea. He's just another Moyes. Being very honest here, I think Guardiola is overrated. He slotted straight into arguably the greatest team of all time in 2008. Granted, his tiki-taka system was perfect for that side but I don't think he's adapted or moved on since then - and like I said, he made such a strong Munich side look good but not great like they were. He hasn't built any club like Wenger or Klopp or Ferguson. But I literally have no idea. And if they want a manager to succeed Wenger, I think Arsenal will want a long term appointment, so probably a young manager who has a track record of buying top bargains and developing youth. Klopp was ideal and by far the best candidate out of Guardiola and other top class managers, but, he's never coming now. Martinez - like yourself, yet to be convinced, he's better than Moyes because he plays better football but he's not consistent. A couple of years ago I thought Rodgers would be ideal even when he was at Swansea, but aside from his excellent track record in developing players at Liverpool and Swansea, the disastrous transfer sagas and tactical errors last season has heightened suspicion that while he may be a great coach, he doesn't look to be a good tactician or shrewd wheeler dealer in the transfer market (his next club will really prove whether he is quality). Maybe Thomas Tuchel at Dortmund who looks potentially brilliant after an excellent start to the Bundesliga? I've watched his games at Dortmund and his tactics are kind of a blend between Klopp and Guardiola, so he seems flexible. But give it a few years I'd say - basing him on performances since August would be foolish!
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Oct 20, 2015 18:13:03 GMT -5
Klopp? Agree with your overall post but as someone pretty involved in Bayern and the Bundesliga, Klopp wouldn't last two months at Bayern. His philosophy (on the pitch and otherwise) doesn't fit, at all. Perfect fit for Liverpool and I hope he does well there, but Bayern is a whole different situation. Guardiola overrated - absolutely. Great coach, one of the best, but the pattern at Bayern is obvious: 1. Dominate the Bundesliga to no end. 2. Convince yourself 80% possession and good individual players is all it takes. 3. Crash and burn against the first really good opponent. 4. Do nothing, repeat. Now, I'd still call Bayern a better team than Arsenal, and tbf we were missing Robben, Ribery and Gotze...but it was still a deserved win, Arsenal were better. No chance in hell Bayern will take the CL under Guardiola, even though this is their most balanced squad yet. Anyway, I'm pretty sure Guardiola will be the new City coach come summer 2016, with Ancelotti replacing him at Bayern...and it would be a good fit. Also, matt - Tuchel is good but not as good as Klopp yet, Dortmund got completely demolished by Bayern (in a "not even close" way) and Dortmund's squad is suffering from not playing CL this season. Don't expect them to be back to 2012/2013 levels anytime soon.
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Post by matt on Oct 20, 2015 19:09:53 GMT -5
Klopp? Agree with your overall post but as someone pretty involved in Bayern and the Bundesliga, Klopp wouldn't last two months at Bayern. His philosophy (on the pitch and otherwise) doesn't fit, at all. Perfect fit for Liverpool and I hope he does well there, but Bayern is a whole different situation. Guardiola overrated - absolutely. Great coach, one of the best, but the pattern at Bayern is obvious: 1. Dominate the Bundesliga to no end. 2. Convince yourself 80% possession and good individual players is all it takes. 3. Crash and burn against the first really good opponent. 4. Do nothing, repeat. Now, I'd still call Bayern a better team than Arsenal, and tbf we were missing Robben, Ribery and Gotze...but it was still a deserved win, Arsenal were better. No chance in hell Bayern will take the CL under Guardiola, even though this is their most balanced squad yet. Anyway, I'm pretty sure Guardiola will be the new City coach come summer 2016, with Ancelotti replacing him at Bayern...and it would be a good fit. Also, matt - Tuchel is good but not as good as Klopp yet, Dortmund got completely demolished by Bayern (in a "not even close" way) and Dortmund's squad is suffering from not playing CL this season. Don't expect them to be back to 2012/2013 levels anytime soon. I agree. I like the look of Tuchel at the moment BUT as you say he is of course not Klopp and not yet proven (particularly against big sides as shown with the Munich game). I don't know too much about Tuchel's record at Mainz though, but I presume most people put the Mainz prosperity of today down to Klopp building them up at the turn of the millennium? However, I thought Klopp would fit Munich perfectly because Heynkes basically copied Klopp's Dortmund 'gegenpressing' tactics with Munich - and with Munich's better players, the rest is history. Broadly the tactics were similar, so I thought ideally, to try and get back to that aggressive attacking they showed when Munich won the treble in 2012/13, Klopp would have been the perfect option. Guardiola's Munich just look so tame in comparison I think.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Oct 20, 2015 19:15:07 GMT -5
I love readiNg these soccér threads.....
Thanks.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Oct 21, 2015 4:31:24 GMT -5
I agree. I like the look of Tuchel at the moment BUT as you say he is of course not Klopp and not yet proven (particularly against big sides as shown with the Munich game). I don't know too much about Tuchel's record at Mainz though, but I presume most people put the Mainz prosperity of today down to Klopp building them up at the turn of the millennium? However, I thought Klopp would fit Munich perfectly because Heynkes basically copied Klopp's Dortmund 'gegenpressing' tactics with Munich - and with Munich's better players, the rest is history. Broadly the tactics were similar, so I thought ideally, to try and get back to that aggressive attacking they showed when Munich won the treble in 2012/13, Klopp would have been the perfect option. Guardiola's Munich just look so tame in comparison I think. Funnily enough, Klopp left Mainz when they weren't even in the Bundesliga. Getting them all the way up into the Europa League is more down to Tuchel and Heidel's work after that - Tuchel basically had more success with Mainz than Klopp ever had. His start at Dortmund is promising - considering that he simply doesn't have the players to work with that Klopp had in, say 12/13. Time will tell if Dortmund can reach those levels again with Tuchel. Klopp's problem in Dortmund, I believe, is that he excelled in building the team up from scratch, but once it came down to taking the team to next level, keeping it up there and making it a little bit better, he pretty much failed; after coming second in the 12/13 Champions League, Dortmund made a couple of really bad decisions spending tens of millions on average players, eventually leading to their catastrophic 14/15 season. I definitely think Klopp at Bayern would be interesting, and I think most Bayern fans I know are annoyed that Guardiola is 100% about possession and passing which makes the team very easy to play against sometimes. Then again, Heynckes failed with Bayern in 11/12 too, with the team showing a lot of the same weaknesses it does today.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 24, 2015 18:53:41 GMT -5
Will the Gunners progress? In their own hands, 2-0 will do it. We'll see next month, innit.
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Post by benoitbe1 on Nov 29, 2015 19:14:22 GMT -5
My team - Olympique Lyonnais - is already out... what a shame, we didn't have a difficult group.
Barcelona is my favourite, even if I hate this club...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 16:58:48 GMT -5
LOL Man United
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Dec 8, 2015 19:00:51 GMT -5
Was not expecting that at all.......good going Citeh and Wolfsberg.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 8, 2015 19:45:59 GMT -5
So l'Arse tomorrow. 2-0 will do it. Do I expect we'll get the result? Yes, because this is Arsene Wenger and how many times has he put himself into dodgy situations only to pull the rabbit out of his hat. We're qualifying, mark my words. matt
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Post by matt on Dec 8, 2015 21:47:41 GMT -5
So l'Arse tomorrow. 2-0 will do it. Do I expect we'll get the result? Yes, because this is Arsene Wenger and how many times has he put himself into dodgy situations only to pull the rabbit out of his hat. We're qualifying, mark my words. matt I'd like to think so and it would be a great escape if they pull it off, but imagine if Chelsea and Arsenal drop to the Europa League - the self proclaimed 'greatest league in the world' will have 5 teams in the Europa League tomorrow night!
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Post by matt on Dec 8, 2015 21:49:55 GMT -5
What do the Dutch think of Van Gaal? Thought he be a legend there by going against all odds with the Netherlands at last years World Cup and his amazing Ajax team from the early 90s. But he's getting loads of criticism over here in the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 2:18:36 GMT -5
What do the Dutch think of Van Gaal? Thought he be a legend there by going against all odds with the Netherlands at last years World Cup and his amazing Ajax team from the early 90s. But he's getting loads of criticism over here in the UK. He is still a legend here for what he did with Ajax, FC Barcelona and the Netherlands. But he gets a lot of criticism here too. Do you think he will get fired?
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Post by Ross on Dec 9, 2015 10:46:39 GMT -5
What do the Dutch think of Van Gaal? Thought he be a legend there by going against all odds with the Netherlands at last years World Cup and his amazing Ajax team from the early 90s. But he's getting loads of criticism over here in the UK. He is still a legend here for what he did with Ajax, FC Barcelona and the Netherlands. But he gets a lot of criticism here too. Do you think he will get fired? He will not a should not be fired.
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Post by Ross on Dec 9, 2015 10:48:41 GMT -5
So l'Arse tomorrow. 2-0 will do it. Do I expect we'll get the result? Yes, because this is Arsene Wenger and how many times has he put himself into dodgy situations only to pull the rabbit out of his hat. We're qualifying, mark my words. matt I think you will do it as well, and i hope you do as i would not wish the the europa league on anyone.
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Post by matt on Dec 9, 2015 13:27:10 GMT -5
What do the Dutch think of Van Gaal? Thought he be a legend there by going against all odds with the Netherlands at last years World Cup and his amazing Ajax team from the early 90s. But he's getting loads of criticism over here in the UK. He is still a legend here for what he did with Ajax, FC Barcelona and the Netherlands. But he gets a lot of criticism here too. Do you think he will get fired? I don't think he should get fired - he seems to be a scapegoat for larger failings at the club. For example, Ed Woodward should be bearing the brunt of it all personally - since he came in, United's signings have been poor with and without LVG, despite having loads of cash available. If anyone is to be sacked, it should be him.
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