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Post by matt on Aug 27, 2017 15:41:12 GMT -5
Chart battles with his brother? The general public don't care, and besides, if going on past form, Noel easily outsells Liam so it's hardly as if we're in for a contest.
It's generally going to be the case that the guy who wrote all the great songs and music for Oasis will by nature sell more records considering his reputation and talent. It's completely irrelevant, and I don't think either brother is gearing up for anything, so as long as we get good records from the pair of them, that's all that matters. You can say it looks petty from the outset regarding the rift between them, but they're not so pathetic to turn it into a chart battle. Be careful saying that around these parts, some people may take exception  Well if that's the case, then fuck knows what they're doing on this forum. People can't be that stupid to not realise that it's all about the quality of the songs. I mean, come on, the guy wrote Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory - songs that Liam's voice absolutely nailed with his deserved voice of a generation, but would also sound quality with other singers because they are that great. I can't fathom how some hardcore Liam nuts cannot comprehend this fact - and if so, they can't be real Oasis fans. While many are bored of Noel's songwriting seeing it as too safe (I largely agree with this), most of us still hold that inherent faith that he can still produce something close to the genius of old. We see it every album in fairness even up to Chasing Yesterday, so it's not impossible for him to produce a brilliant piece of work again. That's why many will always be more intrigued to see what he can come up with. Liam's a different scenario and almost incomparable. For a start, he's not a songwriter - certainly not a good songwriter and god help us if anyone thinks he can compete with Noel - so it's about finding the right songs for that great voice, which hopefully his team of songwriters can deliver. I've heard four of his songs so far, and 3 out of 4 are sounding good to my ears (which is a good ratio so far). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 15:43:46 GMT -5
Do we know if Noel's album has been completely mastered and finished?
I mean, is the album just sitting on a hard-drive somewhere collecting dust?
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Post by matt on Aug 27, 2017 15:50:31 GMT -5
Do we know if Noel's album has been completely mastered and finished? I mean, is the album just sitting on a hard-drive somewhere collecting dust? Pretty sure it's all done and dusted - a guy from Reverend & The Makers tweeted a picture over a month ago saying he's heard the full album. |
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Post by spaneli on Aug 27, 2017 15:54:40 GMT -5
But honestly, I think Liam will sell pretty well all things considered.
Beady Eye debuted with 90k with DGSS and 60k with BE, if I remember correctly. I think Liam will put up around 60k in his opening week, which would be really good considering the decline of record sales.
That's partly why I think that anyone who thinks Liam will sell more than Beady Eye will be up for a rude awakening. I mean, DGSS came out 6 years ago. Record sales have steadily declined and more reliance has been put on streaming (which hurts Liam and Noel). If Liam sells as much as Beady Eye did with DGSS, that will be an accomplishment.
Considering the intrigue that should be brought by Liam album, I'd bank him bucking the decline a bit and staying at or near 2013 record levels.
As a side note: I think Noel knows his floor, but doesn't know his ceiling. He has an established fan base that he can count on. And he knows he's capable of not having his audience capped at all. Whereas Liam might have a ceiling because there's a decent segment that will believe that Liam is a no talent back that can't approach Noel. Plus, Noel appeals to his fans, hardcore Liam fans, and causal Oasis fans. I'm not sure Liam appeals to all 3 though.
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Post by walterglass on Aug 27, 2017 16:27:35 GMT -5
Not trolling. Genuine opinion.
Unless Noel has produced an album that has much more life in it than his last two, I think As You Were will outsell his album over time.
In fact, I think it's very arrogant to expect otherwise.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 27, 2017 16:57:58 GMT -5
Not trolling. Genuine opinion. Unless Noel has produced an album that has much more life in it than his last two, I think As You Were will outsell his album over time. In fact, I think it's very arrogant to expect otherwise. It really comes down to the singles. CY was a better album than HFBs, but HFBs sold more. TDOYAM was a really good comeback hit for him, and the WAL was a massive hit. However, the commonality between HFBs and CY is the fact that they both kept selling. Both of them stayed in the charts for 6+ months, I believe (and both were platinum sellers). So Noel has proven on two albums that he gets sustained sales (I think partly because he appeals to a large swath of people). That's not to say that Liam can't do the same, but I think the big question mark with him will be what he does after his big release week, that is after presales are taken away. With Beady Eye they debuted well but fell off the charts quickly. Liam isn't Beady Eye, but it's all the history anyone has to go on right now. |
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Post by walterglass on Aug 27, 2017 17:03:23 GMT -5
Not trolling. Genuine opinion. Unless Noel has produced an album that has much more life in it than his last two, I think As You Were will outsell his album over time. In fact, I think it's very arrogant to expect otherwise. It really comes down to the singles. CY was a better album than HFBs, but HFBs sold more. TDOYAM was a really good comeback hit for him, and the WAL was a massive hit. However, the commonality between HFBs and CY is the fact that they both kept selling. Both of them stayed in the charts for 6+ months, I believe (and both were platinum sellers). So Noel has proven on two albums that he gets sustained sales (I think partly because he appeals to a large swath of people). That's not to say that Liam can't do the same, but I think the big question mark with him will be what he does after his big release week, that is after presales are taken away. With Beady Eye they debuted well but fell off the charts quickly. Liam isn't Beady Eye, but it's all the history anyone has to go on right now. Completely respect what you're saying. But one of the things that you said is that Liam is not Beady Eye. This is a new situation. Only time will tell who is right, my mate. |
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Post by batfink30 on Aug 27, 2017 18:31:19 GMT -5
Not trolling. Genuine opinion. Unless Noel has produced an album that has much more life in it than his last two, I think As You Were will outsell his album over time. In fact, I think it's very arrogant to expect otherwise. You've got to be trolling with this, in fact why am I even "biting". |
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Post by walterglass on Aug 27, 2017 18:33:21 GMT -5
Not trolling. Genuine opinion. Unless Noel has produced an album that has much more life in it than his last two, I think As You Were will outsell his album over time. In fact, I think it's very arrogant to expect otherwise. You've got to be trolling with this, in fact why am I even "biting". Don't bite. Just make a note to check on how it unfolded a year from now. If I'm wrong, fucking tear strips. But I don't think I will be wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 19:01:42 GMT -5
We better get some news SOON on this fucking album...it's turning into Lord of the Flies in here. I'm at the point where I'm ready to pick fights out of boredom!  |
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Post by unionpat on Aug 27, 2017 23:55:20 GMT -5
Some people on here don't seem to understand that the artist doesn't get to just arbitrarily pick a release date. The record label, and more importantly the distributors, have a big say in that. They're not gonna shoot themselves in the foot financially by releasing on a date against someone that's gonna swallow up all the press. Would be bad business, plain and simple. So, even if say Noel didn't care about that (he does), it would be a longshot the other players at stake would let that happen.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 28, 2017 2:17:59 GMT -5
Some people on here don't seem to understand that the artist doesn't get to just arbitrarily pick a release date. The record label, and more importantly the distributors, have a big say in that. They're not gonna shoot themselves in the foot financially by releasing on a date against someone that's gonna swallow up all the press. Would be bad business, plain and simple. So, even if say Noel didn't care about that (he does), it would be a longshot the other players at stake would let that happen. This guy gets it. This guy fucks. |
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Post by bringmethemonkey on Aug 28, 2017 3:01:31 GMT -5
Some people on here don't seem to understand that the artist doesn't get to just arbitrarily pick a release date. The record label, and more importantly the distributors, have a big say in that. They're not gonna shoot themselves in the foot financially by releasing on a date against someone that's gonna swallow up all the press. Would be bad business, plain and simple. So, even if say Noel didn't care about that (he does), it would be a longshot the other players at stake would let that happen. I thought Noel self published? |
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Post by morning_rain on Aug 28, 2017 8:19:44 GMT -5
I hope he makes a good artwork for this one, still can't believe the CY album cover was real.
The worst thing is I think he made it bad on purpose to appeal a younger audience by looking unconcerned or something.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 10:40:53 GMT -5
Some people on here don't seem to understand that the artist doesn't get to just arbitrarily pick a release date. The record label, and more importantly the distributors, have a big say in that. They're not gonna shoot themselves in the foot financially by releasing on a date against someone that's gonna swallow up all the press. Would be bad business, plain and simple. So, even if say Noel didn't care about that (he does), it would be a longshot the other players at stake would let that happen. I thought Noel self published? He self publishes as owner of Sour Mash, but I guess that most of the decisions like release dates and similar are likely delegated to people with more expertise in that area, who then feed back to Noel the details he needs to know. I remember Noel saying back around the CY release cycle about him being given deadlines for deciding on an album title, as well as being given particular release windows (March/October), so whatever the actual management structure is, he hasn't got absolute control over everything. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 28, 2017 11:11:25 GMT -5
I hope he makes a good artwork for this one, still can't believe the CY album cover was real. The worst thing is I think he made it bad on purpose to appeal a younger audience by looking unconcerned or something. I hated the HFB one more. |
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Post by morning_rain on Aug 28, 2017 11:46:41 GMT -5
I hope he makes a good artwork for this one, still can't believe the CY album cover was real. The worst thing is I think he made it bad on purpose to appeal a younger audience by looking unconcerned or something. I hated the HFB one more.  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 28, 2017 11:58:30 GMT -5
I hated the HFB one more. Are you kiddin me?  !!!!!! A blurry and murky photo of Noel in front of a gas station in LA? Please! If anything the cover of TDOYAM should have been his debut cover. |
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Post by morning_rain on Aug 28, 2017 12:02:03 GMT -5
Are you kiddin me? !!!!!! A blurry and murky photo of Noel in front of a gas station in LA? Please! If anything the cover of TDOYAM should have been his debut cover. It kind of reminds me of the HC one, but yeah the TDOYAM one would've been perfect. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 28, 2017 12:13:15 GMT -5
Are you kiddin me? !!!!!! A blurry and murky photo of Noel in front of a gas station in LA? Please! If anything the cover of TDOYAM should have been his debut cover. It kind of reminds me of the HC one, but yeah the TDOYAM one would've been perfect. That one sucked too! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 12:42:41 GMT -5
I like the HC and NGHFB album covers (NGHFB more so).
Got a soft spot for blurred/distorted images.
As well as neon lights.
The TDOYAM cover looks more straightforward in comparison.
Aesthetically pleasing, but so is a lot of Instagram.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 28, 2017 13:09:48 GMT -5
Are you kiddin me? !!!!!! A blurry and murky photo of Noel in front of a gas station in LA? Please! If anything the cover of TDOYAM should have been his debut cover. It kind of reminds me of the HC one, but yeah the TDOYAM one would've been perfect. I quite liked the HFB one, it had something warm and cosy about it with all those lights, just like the album is. |
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Post by dadrocker on Aug 28, 2017 13:11:50 GMT -5
Are you kiddin me? !!!!!! A blurry and murky photo of Noel in front of a gas station in LA? Please! If anything the cover of TDOYAM should have been his debut cover. Nah, the If I Had A Gun cover should have been the album cover. Or  . |
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Post by unionpat on Aug 28, 2017 14:27:17 GMT -5
I thought Noel self published? He self publishes as owner of Sour Mash, but I guess that most of the decisions like release dates and similar are likely delegated to people with more expertise in that area, who then feed back to Noel the details he needs to know. I remember Noel saying back around the CY release cycle about him being given deadlines for deciding on an album title, as well as being given particular release windows (March/October), so whatever the actual management structure is, he hasn't got absolute control over everything. Yes, exactly. Anyone can publish music, but making a tangible copy available to purchase worldwide, that's a whole different ballgame. |
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Post by bringmethemonkey on Aug 28, 2017 15:32:00 GMT -5
I thought Noel self published? He self publishes as owner of Sour Mash, but I guess that most of the decisions like release dates and similar are likely delegated to people with more expertise in that area, who then feed back to Noel the details he needs to know. I remember Noel saying back around the CY release cycle about him being given deadlines for deciding on an album title, as well as being given particular release windows (March/October), so whatever the actual management structure is, he hasn't got absolute control over everything. Oh yeah..you're right....I remember him saying that too.... |
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