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Post by seanrulesrh on Oct 9, 2017 10:43:49 GMT -5
Why releasing the single the same the day the entire record comes out? That's stupid
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 9, 2017 13:32:25 GMT -5
So nobody seems to have noticed that Keep on Reaching was influenced by Sly and the Family Stone and Marvin Gaye? Perhaps this is the tune that has the highest note Noel's ever sung?
Anyway, we need something like this for Noel's next album.
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Post by wecanslideaway on Oct 9, 2017 14:33:40 GMT -5
So do we know anything about the Dead in the Water bonus track? Seems a bit odd that they recorded it at a radio station at some point and have just been sitting on it until November...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 14:50:34 GMT -5
I'm so hyped! It's gonna be an interesting album for sure because HM divided this fanbase.
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Post by lau on Oct 9, 2017 15:08:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 15:10:09 GMT -5
Noel please eat something.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 9, 2017 15:11:47 GMT -5
So am I the only one who still thinks ITHOTM is a good tune? Its utterly horrible. I prefer Holy Mountain by some distance.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 9, 2017 15:17:29 GMT -5
So am I the only one who still thinks ITHOTM is a good tune? Its utterly horrible. I prefer Holy Mountain by some distance. I can't really say. I still don't know whether I like Holy Mountain or not. I've never had this before. It's a weird feeling, actually.
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Post by carlober on Oct 9, 2017 15:19:30 GMT -5
It looks like it was professionally filmed. Music video, maybe?
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Post by matt on Oct 9, 2017 15:31:12 GMT -5
U2's new album is released a week after Noel's.
As a huge fan of both, I can't believe we're in a situation where Noel's is promising to be way more out there AND superior, and U2 are going to offer the bland and inoffensive release.
Kudos to Noel - honestly, my favourite songwriter ever, but a man who I always thought was least likely to put his balls on the line and do something different is finally doing it, and more importantly, it's sounding fucking marvellous.
Yes, I do wish Oasis had released a single like Holy Mountain, but from a fascinating perspective and thinking it's happening in a parallel universe, just imagine Liam singing over it, and you'd have one of the great reinventions in pop history in my opinion.
Kid A confused folk when it came out, as did The Fly when U2 released it. I'm sure Sgt Pepper pissed a lot of Beatlemania fans off. Not surprised Holy Mountain is doing the same, but it's a great thing if you observe the past examples.
There's always been a tiny part of my mind when following Oasis these last ten years where I thought I was going to be blown away by every release 2007 onwards (Lord Don't Slow Me Down was the first single release I 'experienced' as an Oasis fan). And while lead singles like Shock of the Lightning, Flick of the Finger, Death of You & Me, and to a lesser extent, Heat of the Moment appealed to me and I liked them, I was never blown away. And a part of me was always secretly but desperately disappointed with it.
But Holy Mountain has done something none of that has ever done, and at the most unexpected time when I feared my Oasis fandom was wearing off as I got older. That meant the youthful innocence and joy of ten years ago was fading fast into time, and I was beginning to get older and lose the connection to those songs. And I felt sad about that. Privately grieving about it but never wanting to admit it as they would always hold a special place in my heart. But he miraculously pulled it out the bag and gave those senses back. On first hearing it last night, I couldn't stop smiling, and that sense of wonder and euphoria I felt when listening to Oasis first time came rushing back.
It's a great feeling to have back again, like some wonder drug. And it's not just about loving this song at this moment in time, it reminds me why he's a great songwriter and made me reconnect with those old Oasis songs. Today has been a kind of renewal, making me appreciate everything Gallagher related again. My fandom never did die, it might have gone missing somewhere, but it was always there and will always be there. It just needed something special to make it appear again.
And boy has it come back today.
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Post by eva on Oct 9, 2017 15:43:08 GMT -5
It looks like it was professionally filmed. Music video, maybe? gotta be a tv show segment. That guy is the host of La Viola m.tn.com.ar/musica
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Post by brumoscardo on Oct 9, 2017 20:48:10 GMT -5
I dont like it!
Too bad for me!
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Post by CFC2013 on Oct 9, 2017 21:10:54 GMT -5
U2's new album is released a week after Noel's. As a huge fan of both, I can't believe we're in a situation where Noel's is promising to be way more out there AND superior, and U2 are going to offer the bland and inoffensive release. Kudos to Noel - honestly, my favourite songwriter ever, but a man who I always thought was least likely to put his balls on the line and do something different is finally doing it, and more importantly, it's sounding fucking marvellous. Yes, I do wish Oasis had released a single like Holy Mountain, but from a fascinating perspective and thinking it's happening in a parallel universe, just imagine Liam singing over it, and you'd have one of the great reinventions in pop history in my opinion. Kid A confused folk when it came out, as did The Fly when U2 released it. I'm sure Sgt Pepper pissed a lot of Beatlemania fans off. Not surprised Holy Mountain is doing the same, but it's a great thing if you observe the past examples. There's always been a tiny part of my mind when following Oasis these last ten years where I thought I was going to be blown away by every release 2007 onwards (Lord Don't Slow Me Down was the first single release I 'experienced' as an Oasis fan). And while lead singles like Shock of the Lightning, Flick of the Finger, Death of You & Me, and to a lesser extent, Heat of the Moment appealed to me and I liked them, I was never blown away. And a part of me was always secretly but desperately disappointed with it. But Holy Mountain has done something none of that has ever done, and at the most unexpected time when I feared my Oasis fandom was wearing off as I got older. That meant the youthful innocence and joy of ten years ago was fading fast into time, and I was beginning to get older and lose the connection to those songs. And I felt sad about that. Privately grieving about it but never wanting to admit it as they would always hold a special place in my heart. But he miraculously pulled it out the bag and gave those senses back. On first hearing it last night, I couldn't stop smiling, and that sense of wonder and euphoria I felt when listening to Oasis first time came rushing back. It's a great feeling to have back again, like some wonder drug. And it's not just about loving this song at this moment in time, it reminds me why he's a great songwriter and made me reconnect with those old Oasis songs. Today has been a kind of renewal, making me appreciate everything Gallagher related again. My fandom never did die, it might have gone missing somewhere, but it was always there and will always be there. It just needed something special to make it appear again. And boy has it come back today.
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Post by seanrulesrh on Oct 9, 2017 22:33:32 GMT -5
I got a theory about this album. Is just a theory. The album will be good,but people will hate it. Why? Because he announced it like a conceptual album. That means that the songs on it make sense when you listen to them all together. With HM out and the sneak peeks I can really tell that the songs have nothing to do with each other. They sound so different to what we are get used to hear from Noel. That doesn't mean that they're bad. But the 'songs' we've already heard doesn't sound cohesive in a conceptual meaning of the word. So maybe the tunes are great,but they don't sound coherent in the same album because each song sound so different,and that's why people will hate it. As I already said,this is a theory just listening to the songs and reading people that gets personally offended by Holy Mountain. Obviously,its too soon to talk,but thats my thoughts on the album thats coming. Hope that I'm wrong and WBTM is the masterpiece of the decade,but honestly I think that my theory is closer to the real thing than that lol. Cheers and calm down lads,its just a mediocre song,nothing to rip your own ears off.
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Post by brumoscardo on Oct 10, 2017 4:20:56 GMT -5
I got a theory about this album. Is just a theory. The album will be good,but people will hate it. Why? Because he announced it like a conceptual album. That means that the songs on it make sense when you listen to them all together. With HM out and the sneak peeks I can really tell that the songs have nothing to do with each other. They sound so different to what we are get used to hear from Noel. That doesn't mean that they're bad. But the 'songs' we've already heard doesn't sound cohesive in a conceptual meaning of the word. So maybe the tunes are great,but they don't sound coherent in the same album because each song sound so different,and that's why people will hate it. Exactly what I thought. How is he going to put this into his setlist? "Half the world away... Don't feel down.... Thanks very much, I've got this new tuny for you... Check it out Holy shit Mountain starts off"
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Post by janedoe on Oct 10, 2017 4:24:03 GMT -5
I got a theory about this album. Is just a theory. The album will be good,but people will hate it. Why? Because he announced it like a conceptual album. That means that the songs on it make sense when you listen to them all together. With HM out and the sneak peeks I can really tell that the songs have nothing to do with each other. They sound so different to what we are get used to hear from Noel. That doesn't mean that they're bad. But the 'songs' we've already heard doesn't sound cohesive in a conceptual meaning of the word. So maybe the tunes are great,but they don't sound coherent in the same album because each song sound so different,and that's why people will hate it. Exactly what I thought. How is he going to put this into his setlist? "Half the world away... Don't feel down.... Thanks very much, I've got this new tuny for you... Check it out Holy shit Mountain starts off" Holy Shit Mountain
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 10, 2017 4:26:54 GMT -5
U2's new album is released a week after Noel's. As a huge fan of both, I can't believe we're in a situation where Noel's is promising to be way more out there AND superior, and U2 are going to offer the bland and inoffensive release. Kudos to Noel - honestly, my favourite songwriter ever, but a man who I always thought was least likely to put his balls on the line and do something different is finally doing it, and more importantly, it's sounding fucking marvellous. Yes, I do wish Oasis had released a single like Holy Mountain, but from a fascinating perspective and thinking it's happening in a parallel universe, just imagine Liam singing over it, and you'd have one of the great reinventions in pop history in my opinion. Kid A confused folk when it came out, as did The Fly when U2 released it. I'm sure Sgt Pepper pissed a lot of Beatlemania fans off. Not surprised Holy Mountain is doing the same, but it's a great thing if you observe the past examples. There's always been a tiny part of my mind when following Oasis these last ten years where I thought I was going to be blown away by every release 2007 onwards (Lord Don't Slow Me Down was the first single release I 'experienced' as an Oasis fan). And while lead singles like Shock of the Lightning, Flick of the Finger, Death of You & Me, and to a lesser extent, Heat of the Moment appealed to me and I liked them, I was never blown away. And a part of me was always secretly but desperately disappointed with it. But Holy Mountain has done something none of that has ever done, and at the most unexpected time when I feared my Oasis fandom was wearing off as I got older. That meant the youthful innocence and joy of ten years ago was fading fast into time, and I was beginning to get older and lose the connection to those songs. And I felt sad about that. Privately grieving about it but never wanting to admit it as they would always hold a special place in my heart. But he miraculously pulled it out the bag and gave those senses back. On first hearing it last night, I couldn't stop smiling, and that sense of wonder and euphoria I felt when listening to Oasis first time came rushing back. It's a great feeling to have back again, like some wonder drug. And it's not just about loving this song at this moment in time, it reminds me why he's a great songwriter and made me reconnect with those old Oasis songs. Today has been a kind of renewal, making me appreciate everything Gallagher related again. My fandom never did die, it might have gone missing somewhere, but it was always there and will always be there. It just needed something special to make it appear again. And boy has it come back today. Well said! Could not agree more! Give this man a beer!
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Post by sgtpeppr on Oct 10, 2017 4:28:14 GMT -5
I got a theory about this album. Is just a theory. The album will be good,but people will hate it. Why? Because he announced it like a conceptual album. That means that the songs on it make sense when you listen to them all together. With HM out and the sneak peeks I can really tell that the songs have nothing to do with each other. They sound so different to what we are get used to hear from Noel. That doesn't mean that they're bad. But the 'songs' we've already heard doesn't sound cohesive in a conceptual meaning of the word. So maybe the tunes are great,but they don't sound coherent in the same album because each song sound so different,and that's why people will hate it. As I already said,this is a theory just listening to the songs and reading people that gets personally offended by Holy Mountain. Obviously,its too soon to talk,but thats my thoughts on the album thats coming. Hope that I'm wrong and WBTM is the masterpiece of the decade,but honestly I think that my theory is closer to the real thing than that lol. Cheers and calm down lads,its just a mediocre song,nothing to rip your own ears off. how?! we dont have enough of the album to be able to tell how the songs will/wont fit together...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 4:28:29 GMT -5
I got a theory about this album. Is just a theory. The album will be good,but people will hate it. Why? Because he announced it like a conceptual album. That means that the songs on it make sense when you listen to them all together. With HM out and the sneak peeks I can really tell that the songs have nothing to do with each other. They sound so different to what we are get used to hear from Noel. That doesn't mean that they're bad. But the 'songs' we've already heard doesn't sound cohesive in a conceptual meaning of the word. So maybe the tunes are great,but they don't sound coherent in the same album because each song sound so different,and that's why people will hate it. Exactly what I thought. How is he going to put this into his setlist? "Half the world away... Don't feel down.... Thanks very much, I've got this new tuny for you... Check it out Holy shit Mountain starts off" Maybe this song will be an opener. I'm sure he won't play any ballads before/after HM because it will sound strange. But Noel should change his setlist anyway.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 10, 2017 6:09:12 GMT -5
I totally agree mattThe last 24 hours, I will say, have made me question. Seeing the extremely split reaction this song has gotten, really made me take a step back. When people are throwing around terms like, "shit" and "the worst single ever," it does create a pause. A moment where it made me wonder if I was too close to it to dislike it. That maybe because it was Noel I wanted to like it. That fandom was taking over too much. But honestly, I love this song. I absolutely and positively love this song. The amount of color and variation is what I've wanted from a Gallagher single. Personally, when I listen to a song, the first listen is the whole song, with each subsequent listen only concentrating on a particular instrument. On a second listen when I heard the bass, gahhh the bass, I heard the playful impact bass that Oasis so often missed. The heavy dap king horns. Not the stereotypical shrilly horns that Noel's been using, but heavy. The drums that are more contained and are hit heavy rather splash heavy. Then the whistle with the "wooooo's" and Weller's keyboard cutting through a third into the song. Once I heard those part, and then on last listen, listened to the song as a whole, "wowwwwww." That was my reaction (personally, the above is how I've always been taught to listen to a song when recording). It's a song that's chock full of hooks, influences, color, melody, and fun. Pure unadulterated fun. A song so fun that it doesn't sound anything like the post-2000 drug clean/darker Noel. It amazes me that on a forum that complains about people overthinking songs, overthinking lyrics, not reacting to the music, that so many seem to have overthought it (at least from my perspective). This song is actually meant to just be a fun song that you can dance to. It's meant to take you away. I mean, there's a whistle on here, that someone rightly pointed out, that sounds like it came out of a Disney soundtrack. It's that song that gets played at the end of a big movie, where every character is line dancing into the sunset (If anyone has seen the ending to Federico Fellini's 8 1/2, then this description will seem more apt). It's also the first time in a long time where Noel ripped off something from the Beatles, and it felt like a reinvention rather than a complete theft. That's when art is being created. It's created in the reinvention, not the theft. It's not simply slapping a Lennon quote at the end of a song. It's reappropriating it, and having others reinterpreting it. Noel forgot that a bit ago, it was a skill it seemed he had mastered in Oasis's early days, and under Holmes he has suddenly remembered. I wish we could fast forward two or three years from now, when the hoopla has calmed down, when the overly dramatic and cynical posturing is finished, when this song can may be viewed in a different light. As of the moment, it feels like every discussion around this song is toxic, and sometimes it takes time and distance. In the meantime, I'm going to "dance and dance" to my "one my man band" because this song is fantastic and gives me pure joy and excitement for what's to come.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 6:17:24 GMT -5
The funny thing is I've seen a post on Twitter about Noel's solo albums - someone complained that Noel's solo work has too many ballads and Liam's albums are more rock'n'roll (and this is wrong, because Liam wrote and sung as many ballads as Noel and that's okay, I love his soft side, in-your-face-Liam becomes boring pretty soon). I wonder - what these kind of people think now.
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Post by oasisglory on Oct 10, 2017 6:51:00 GMT -5
Very nicely put, matt and spaneli. I think the split of opinion Holy Mountain has created has been due to the fact we associate modern day Noel with a certain sound/type of track that he has exhibited in his previous 2 solo works - namely introspective, somewhat melancholy but retaining of hope songs. We probably all have that fandom side to us that makes us want to like whatever Noel or Liam put out, so we're willing to give everything a go but expect something we've been used to before and when we don't quite get it, it takes us time to get our heads round that.
With this album, we've heard the story on how it came about and what we can expect and it all seems very new: samples, more female vocals, European influences and so on, meaning that since we heard Holy Mountain, a lot of people seem to have gone 'wait, where's the guitar riff or melancholy or minor chords?', because that's what we've been used to from Noel. And to an extent, that's what I thought when I heard it for the first time. But having listened to it more, that association has been broken down gradually and you can see it for what it is: a slightly crazy, happy tune. The cavalcade of things going on in the song (like the whistle, keyboard, brass, echoed vocals) and the positive lyrics all come together to give you something that does seem to work, somehow. The fandom bias probably does play a part, but that's always going to be there, and yet you can so imagine people having a little dance and jig to this and if people, particular newcomers, heard this, they wouldn't have guessed this was done by the same guy who's written songs like Cigarettes and Alcohol and Supersonic. It does make you wonder what is next and from the 2min trailer we got a couple of weeks ago, a lot of it might make us react in the same vein as Holy Mountain, but collectively, I think we trust Noel to have got it right, because of his track record.
From a wider perspective, the release of Liam and Noel's material over the past few days highlights to me the binding attribute that they both as part of Oasis and as solo artists have and that is to have this unerring ability to hit nigh on every emotion in someone. For example, my music player on shuffle played Come Back to Me, which gives you that swaggering attitude and menace, then you have the apology-laden For What It's Worth, then the reffirming I've All I Need, then the sheer happiness of Holy Mountain, then the powerful, intimidating Rock 'n' Roll Star. And it's all fucking brilliant. Long may this continue.
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Post by Gas Panic on Oct 10, 2017 7:28:42 GMT -5
45 days until Who Built The Moon? hits the shelves!
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 10, 2017 7:35:39 GMT -5
Kid A confused folk when it came out, as did The Fly when U2 released it. I'm sure Sgt Pepper pissed a lot of Beatlemania fans off. Not surprised Holy Mountain is doing the same, but it's a great thing if you observe the past examples. Perhaps one of the most extreme examples of this is the reaction to Dylan going electric. And by the way, it was during this period when Dylan was making some of the greatest music ever made.
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