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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 13:50:41 GMT -5
He said in interviews that almost all the songs on the first 3 albums were written before they even got a record deal. And that the best were on Definitely Maybe, then the second best songs on Morning Glory and the leftovers on Be Here Now, what's true about that? I know that he wrote Magic Pie after Mustique. Does anybody have more information about this? Or is there already a thread about this specific subject?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 8, 2015 13:57:03 GMT -5
All Around The World was written pre-DM. There's footage from them rehearsing it. But I'm sure you knew that already.
Going Nowhere was written in '93.
Stand By Me and Stay Young are titles that were in Noel's notebook, but with completely different lyrics. However, his notebook is believed to have been last updated in '93, so it easily could've been tweaked around a bit before '96. He has claimed he wrote Stay Young during his stay in Mustique though.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 8, 2015 14:41:02 GMT -5
Educated guesses:
D'You Know What I Mean? - 95/96
My Big Mouth - 95/96
Magic Pie - 96/97
Stand by Me - 94
I Hope, I Think, I Know - 93
The Girl in the Dirty Shirt - 93/94
Fade In-Out - 95/96
Don't Go Away – 93/94
Be Here Now – 96
All Around the World – 93
It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) – 95/96
All Around the World (Reprise) – 93 (96/97)
Stay Young - 96
Going Nowhere - 93
My Sister Lover - 96 or earlier (Verses taken from Lock All The Doors 92/93)
Angel Child - 96 or earlier
(I Got) The Fever - ?
The Fame - 96 or earlier
Flashbax - ?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 8, 2015 14:44:21 GMT -5
Educated guesses: D'You Know What I Mean? - 95/96 My Big Mouth - 95/96 Magic Pie - 96/97 Stand by Me - 94 I Hope, I Think, I Know - 93 The Girl in the Dirty Shirt - 93/94 Fade In-Out - 95/96 Don't Go Away – 93/94 Be Here Now – 96 All Around the World – 93 It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) – 95/96 All Around the World (Reprise) – 93 (96/97) Stay Young - 96 Going Nowhere - 93 My Sister Lover - 92/93/? Angel Child - ? I Got The Fever - ? The Fame - ? Flashbax - ? No mr monobrow related theories to support this?  |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 8, 2015 14:50:46 GMT -5
Educated guesses: D'You Know What I Mean? - 95/96 My Big Mouth - 95/96 Magic Pie - 96/97 Stand by Me - 94 I Hope, I Think, I Know - 93 The Girl in the Dirty Shirt - 93/94 Fade In-Out - 95/96 Don't Go Away – 93/94 Be Here Now – 96 All Around the World – 93 It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) – 95/96 All Around the World (Reprise) – 93 (96/97) Stay Young - 96 Going Nowhere - 93 My Sister Lover - 96 or earlier (Verses taken from Lock All The Doors 92/93) Angel Child - 96 or earlier (I Got) The Fever - ? The Fame - 96 or earlier Flashbax - ? No mr monobrow related theories to support this? Of course.  ... but I've put them to one side. Most of it's based off quotes and the Mustique demos tracklist. I might post a slightly more detailed description later. |
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Post by asimarx on Oct 8, 2015 15:17:37 GMT -5
Educated guesses: D'You Know What I Mean? - 95/96 My Big Mouth - 95/96 Magic Pie - 96/97 Stand by Me - 94 I Hope, I Think, I Know - 93 The Girl in the Dirty Shirt - 93/94 Fade In-Out - 95/96 Don't Go Away – 93/94 Be Here Now – 96 All Around the World – 93 It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) – 95/96 All Around the World (Reprise) – 93 (96/97) Stay Young - 96 Going Nowhere - 93 My Sister Lover - 96 or earlier (Verses taken from Lock All The Doors 92/93) Angel Child - 96 or earlier (I Got) The Fever - ? The Fame - 96 or earlier Flashbax - ? Agree on most of these. I'm not so sure about Stand By Me though. All Around The World and Going Nowhere were already around in 1992. D'You Know What I Mean was apparently written in late 1995 while on tour (see Paolo Hewitt's first book), he describes how Noel is soundchecking a new song at this point, sounding close to Wonderwall on acoustic, with the chorus being "Ever sound I hear is made by me", which perfectly fits the meter. (I Got) The Fever was, well, composed or "some chords" rather hastily put together by Noel right before its recording session in May 1997. Same goes for Flashbax I suppose. Which of course could mean that, similar to My Sister Lover, fragments if those songs might have been around for much longer. That was his style of songwriting back then and apparently still is (see Lock All The Doors or the way that the soundcheck version of Bonehead's Bank Holiday features the chorus of another unreleased song called Is That A Fact?, thanks again for uncovering this!). The Girl In The Dirty Shirt must have been written around 1995/96, as the lyrics are about Meg Matthews. Still, the tune might be older. Don't Go Away was according to Noel written around the time Morning Glory was recorded. The really interesting one is I Hope, I Think, I Know (Red White & Blue originally?). I've made and collected a lot of notes on the origins of those songs over the years, will try to to see if I can dig out some further info tomorrow. |
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Post by asimarx on Oct 8, 2015 15:51:02 GMT -5
Fact is, most of these songs were more or less fully formed, lyrically and probably musically too when Noel travelled to the island of Mustique in May 1996.
I really wonder if they're ever planning to release the demotape. Might be of interest to some of us. Damnit.
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Post by spud on Oct 8, 2015 16:13:50 GMT -5
Tuesday just gone.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 8, 2015 17:10:36 GMT -5
Educated guesses: D'You Know What I Mean? - 95/96 My Big Mouth - 95/96 Magic Pie - 96/97 Stand by Me - 94 I Hope, I Think, I Know - 93 The Girl in the Dirty Shirt - 93/94 Fade In-Out - 95/96 Don't Go Away – 93/94 Be Here Now – 96 All Around the World – 93 It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) – 95/96 All Around the World (Reprise) – 93 (96/97) Stay Young - 96 Going Nowhere - 93 My Sister Lover - 96 or earlier (Verses taken from Lock All The Doors 92/93) Angel Child - 96 or earlier (I Got) The Fever - ? The Fame - 96 or earlier Flashbax - ? Agree on most of these. I'm not so sure about Stand By Me though. All Around The World and Going Nowhere were already around in 1992. D'You Know What I Mean was apparently written in late 1995 while on tour (see Paolo Hewitt's first book), he describes how Noel is soundchecking a new song at this point, sounding close to Wonderwall on acoustic, with the chorus being "Ever sound I hear is made by me", which perfectly fits the meter. (I Got) The Fever was, well, composed or "some chords" rather hastily put together by Noel right before its recording session in May 1997. Same goes for Flashbax I suppose. Which of course could mean that, similar to My Sister Lover, fragments if those songs might have been around for much longer. That was his style of songwriting back then and apparently still is (see Lock All The Doors or the way that the soundcheck version of Bonehead's Bank Holiday features the chorus of another unreleased song called Is That A Fact?, thanks again for uncovering this!). The Girl In The Dirty Shirt must have been written around 1995/96, as the lyrics are about Meg Matthews. Still, the tune might be older. Don't Go Away was according to Noel written around the time Morning Glory was recorded. The really interesting one is I Hope, I Think, I Know (Red White & Blue originally?). I've made and collected a lot of notes on the origins of those songs over the years, will try to to see if I can dig out some further info tomorrow. Cheers for the info. In regards to Stand By Me (& The Girl In The Dirty Shirt), Noel name checks them both (and Don't Go Away) as being written pre Definitely Maybe here: Noel also claims that the opening line was inspired by his cooking when he first moved to London (1994?) hence why I gave it the 1994 date. I'll always take anything Noel says with a pinch of salt, however I'm inclined to believe this would be true. The Girl In The Dirty Shirt however? I'm not so sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 17:17:01 GMT -5
Wow! Thanks for all the nfotmation so far. It amazed me every day how much people know about Oasis, thanks a lot!
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 8, 2015 21:49:13 GMT -5
All Around The World and Going Nowhere were already around in 1992. D'You Know What I Mean was apparently written in late 1995 while on tour (see Paolo Hewitt's first book), he describes how Noel is soundchecking a new song at this point, sounding close to Wonderwall on acoustic, with the chorus being "Ever sound I hear is made by me", which perfectly fits the meter. (I Got) The Fever was, well, composed or "some chords" rather hastily put together by Noel right before its recording session in May 1997. Same goes for Flashbax I suppose. Which of course could mean that, similar to My Sister Lover, fragments if those songs might have been around for much longer. The Girl In The Dirty Shirt must have been written around 1995/96, as the lyrics are about Meg Matthews. Still, the tune might be older. Don't Go Away was according to Noel written around the time Morning Glory was recorded. The really interesting one is I Hope, I Think, I Know (Red White & Blue originally?). I've made and collected a lot of notes on the origins of those songs over the years, will try to to see if I can dig out some further info tomorrow. Good post, I agree with what you've said here - though I think the early DYKWIM soundcheck acoustic was from earlier 1996 during the American tour maybe. I'll have to check the book again. Pretty sure it was 96 though. My Big Mouth is also described as being done acoustically at soundchecks then, titled "Me and My Big Mouth". Played slowly too. I'd also guess this to be about between the AIDS comment and cup of tea comment! I think Magic Pie would have to be one of the later written ones as Stay Young was dumped for this one to be on the album. Stand By Me is old, at least the lyrics. I remember Noel mentioning this a number of times since BHN and even into SOTSOG years, when he was trying to distance himself from the album. Dirty Shirt was apparently written after meeting a journalist and seeing Meg ironing a shirt. Its vague I know, but this story was in the Paolo Hewitt book, the first one. Also MG era. And DGA was written MG era. We know IGBM also had to be written during the MG tour, likely midway through or later. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 8, 2015 22:47:34 GMT -5
It's mentioned here that The Girl in the Dirty Shirt dates around 1994 as it was inspired by Meg's ironing her clothes at a gig in Brighton (stated as 12/29/1994). |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 8, 2015 23:27:28 GMT -5
My Big Mouth was definitely written in '96. Isn't that the one Noel mentions in the Chris Evans interview?
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 9, 2015 4:02:42 GMT -5
My Big Mouth was definitely written in '96. Isn't that the one Noel mentions in the Chris Evans interview? Noel describes My Big Mouth as finished on TFI Friday (the Chris Evans Interview) on the 5th of April 1996. Perhaps Chris had been fed some prior information but he possibly alludes to it's name being publically brought about before this date. And of course there's nothing stopping it being written during, or in its entirety in 95: There's a reference to its beginnings in Paolo Hewitt's book, frustratingly however, I can only view a preview of it and a chunk of the info is cut off for me. Perhaps someone who owns it could shed a little light:The track was also sound checked on the 23rd Feb 1996 in Kansas Memorial Hall, again entitled Me and My Big Mouth.On a different note, Magic Pie is described by Noel as being written last for the album (explaining why it doesn't feature on the Mustique Demos of May 1996) and references Tony Blair's 1st of October 1996 speech. So at least in part, it was written after that date, even if it was just a minor lyric adjustment. |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 9, 2015 4:31:14 GMT -5
I clearly remember Noel saying in an interview for All around the world single that he had to go and write b-side for that. So The fame and Flashbax must be from 96/even early to late 97
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Post by nutsngum on Oct 9, 2015 8:57:36 GMT -5
The Fame was recorded during the BHN album sessions, and I think was a contender to go on the album but as Noel had Magic Pie on there it dropped to a b-side. Sounds like Flashbax was cobbled together at the last minute (I love that song), and Street Fighting Man was recorded as a cover because it's easier than writing a new b-side.
Magic Pie will have been written in 96 as it contains a line from a Tony Blair speech made in the same year ("There are but a thousand days....")
Sister Lover and I Got The Fever would definitely have been written close to the time of recording, apart from the verse of course.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 9, 2015 10:15:44 GMT -5
Might be old age but I am sure I remember from Paolo Hewitt or Paul Mathur's writings that 'Red, White and Blue' was an old tune from the Boardwalk era that ended up as I Hope, I think, I Know, with the changes being made because Noel didn't want the band to seem like BNP/NF sympathisers?
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 9, 2015 13:39:30 GMT -5
Might be old age but I am sure I remember from Paolo Hewitt or Paul Mathur's writings that 'Red, White and Blue' was an old tune from the Boardwalk era that ended up as I Hope, I think, I Know, with the changes being made because Noel didn't want the band to seem like BNP/NF sympathisers? That story indeed sounds very familiar although I'm not sure if The Red White and Blue evolved into IHITIK. However, it seems that "The Red, White, and Blue" could pretty easily replace the line "I Hope, I Think, I Know" in the song melodically! |
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Post by asimarx on Oct 9, 2015 14:19:19 GMT -5
Might be old age but I am sure I remember from Paolo Hewitt or Paul Mathur's writings that 'Red, White and Blue' was an old tune from the Boardwalk era that ended up as I Hope, I think, I Know, with the changes being made because Noel didn't want the band to seem like BNP/NF sympathisers? That story indeed sounds very familiar although I'm not sure if The Red White and Blue evolved into IHITIK. However, it seems that "The Red, White, and Blue" could pretty easily replace the line "I Hope, I Think, I Know" in the song melodically! This was uncovered by davidjay earlier last year when the reissues were first announced. Someone then discovered, by chance, that the releases had more or less been announced by Owen Morris on his website a few months earlier, which I still find amusing. However, David contacted Owen Morris through his website with a couple of questions regarding the reissues and he was nice enough to reply (just an excerpt): You can hear the O-A-S-I-S version (only once in the last chorus, I think) in the leaked, Noel sung rough mix of I Hope, I Think, I Know. Which sounds pretty strange to me. The Red, White & Blue was first mentioned in a Select magazine article from around the time Morning Glory was recorded. It was named as a potential album song, alongside All Around The World and others. It makes indeed a bit of sense to me that it might have turned into IHITIK. Like mystoryisgory said, just try to sing "The red, the white and blue" instead of the usual chorus - it would fit. But it's really just speculation. |
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Post by asimarx on Oct 9, 2015 14:25:02 GMT -5
Might be old age but I am sure I remember from Paolo Hewitt or Paul Mathur's writings that 'Red, White and Blue' was an old tune from the Boardwalk era that ended up as I Hope, I think, I Know, with the changes being made because Noel didn't want the band to seem like BNP/NF sympathisers? Yeah, this story is from Getting High, Hewitt's first book. But he didn't made the connection with I Hope, I Think, I Know. Probably because the book was written well before Be Here Now...I think in description they had abandoned the track. EDIT: This might also have been mentioned in Paul Gallagher's book Brothers, I'm not so sure right now. |
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Post by rupertg on Oct 11, 2015 6:29:24 GMT -5
Don't Go Away could have easily been written as far back as 1992. The song is very similar to The Real People's track 'Feel the Pain'. Noel knew the Real People since his days being a roadie for the Inspirals. Noel probably got a copy or even heard the song (since it was unreleased at that time).
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 11, 2015 13:18:40 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Noel wrote Going Nowhere in 1990 according to The Masterplan sleeve notes on the album.
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Post by andybellwillring on Oct 11, 2015 16:46:09 GMT -5
Noel wrote the entire album on Mick Jagger's child's toy piano right? |
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Post by appleseed on Oct 11, 2015 18:06:17 GMT -5
On Japanese magazine Rocking' on March 2000 issue, Noel said,
"Magic Pie, Fade In-Out and D'You Know What I Mean?, they were finished writing last for the album, which were my favorite songs personally at the time."
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Post by 32shutout on Oct 11, 2015 18:32:45 GMT -5
In the inteview with Chris Evans from 97, he mentions My Big Mouth and I hope i think I know, and it sounds like he had just finished the former and was workingo n the latter. One of my favorite interviews ever by the way...
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