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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 13:42:46 GMT -5
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 23, 2017 13:43:57 GMT -5
That's a wrong assumption. The pro-life organisation that got denounced by the March were heavily against Trump. You honestly think Abortion was the only reason women were against him? No, I think most women were against him because he has an awful haircut. Tom Brady in 2020. its probably not going to happen but jon stewart would make a nice president
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 23, 2017 13:49:10 GMT -5
Sounds very similar to some of the issues that have divided UK University campuses in recent years- it's hard to put out a coherent message on freedom and tolerance when the people involved don't always practice it themselves. 1) That goes against liberalism and I just think the potency of the protest was undermined by such narrow minded actions. I know plenty of of pro-life women and from their own rational perspective have come to that conclusion, aren't conservative voters by any means and religion doesn't play a part in their lives either. I'm pro-choice myself but it's sad to think their concerns against a man who advocates sexual assault aren't apparently worthy. 2) And another thing against all these right wing folk who apparently think liberals and those further to the left are only protesting against Trump because he is 'right wing'. For a start, get a grip - if an establishment Republican was voted in, it wouldn't be met with the same revulsion. I don't look at establishment Republican politicians with disgust, mainly disagreement and disillusion, naturally for anyone who is of a different political disposition. The issue I have is that these conservatives on here just don't get that Trump is a vile specimen. I have yet to see any genuine response to his mysoginstic tirade or his racial aggravations on here. If you honestly think that those sickened by all that is just the preserve of liberal/ lefty sanctimonious whingers, or you just think it's a small triviality that can be brushed off, then it says more about your lack of decency as a human being. 3) Will anyone of his apologists/supporters on this forum respond to that behaviour? I doubt it, it will be met with the usual stonewall silence because somewhere hidden in their hearts they know it's not right. 1) Absolutely spot on- sometimes when we differ on what is a choice or right, as in the choice/life debate, we still have to put that to the side to unite against a collective or in this case a man who has demonstrated a blatant disregard for decency and the rights of others. 2) The fact that there was nothing like this during the Reagan years or for the re-election of George W. Bush speaks volumes to me as to how people protesting are doing so based on Donald Trump as an individual, rather than as the Republican President. His family and his own racism have been well documented including allegations of his father's involvement in the KKK ( Vice article ) to his property company discriminating against Black and Puerto Rican tenants in New York (Covered in Vice with the full article from 1979 reprinted in 2015 both times by The Village Voice ) 3) I doubt it as I cannot from any angle justify the man in his attitudes and behaviour, and therefore if you are saying a leader in an elected position should represent all people as best he/she can then I cannot see how anyone can say he is the correct person for the job.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jan 23, 2017 14:48:45 GMT -5
Are these marches really about pro women or just anti Trump? You say tomato...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 14:59:07 GMT -5
Me and my gal at the Women's March in D.C. on Saturday. What a wonderful day!
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 23, 2017 15:02:03 GMT -5
Me and my gal at the Women's March in D.C. on Saturday. What a wonderful day! And did you manage to do as your sign said? In all seriousness fair play for participating in real protest action, I only hope the pressure and scrutiny continues throughout the time he ;asts in office!
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 23, 2017 15:05:27 GMT -5
Nice to see "Don" helping to increase Maternal mortality rates alongside other related issues such funding blocks will cause.... A planet facing rising population problems and this is the best the man can come up with? I hope not but I assume this sets the stage for the next four years at least. I am not normally this confrontational but any thoughts from the staunch Trump supporters on this matter?
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Post by batfink30 on Jan 23, 2017 15:09:31 GMT -5
Nice to see "Don" helping to increase Maternal mortality rates alongside other related issues such funding blocks will cause.... A planet facing rising population problems and this is the best the man can come up with? I hope not but I assume this sets the stage for the next four years at least. I am not normally this confrontational but any thoughts from the staunch Trump supporters on this matter? Horrendous isnt it? The US is going back in time. The pic of him signing the order is just horrible, all men and Bannon looking on.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 23, 2017 15:12:02 GMT -5
Nice to see "Don" helping to increase Maternal mortality rates alongside other related issues such funding blocks will cause.... A planet facing rising population problems and this is the best the man can come up with? I hope not but I assume this sets the stage for the next four years at least. I am not normally this confrontational but any thoughts from the staunch Trump supporters on this matter? Horrendous isnt it? The US is going back in time. The pic of him signing the order is just horrible, all men and Bannon looking on. I honestly imagine him having this scene in his head of his supporters watching his Presidential address-
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Post by batfink30 on Jan 23, 2017 15:16:52 GMT -5
Horrendous isnt it? The US is going back in time. The pic of him signing the order is just horrible, all men and Bannon looking on. I honestly imagine him having this scene in his head of his supporters watching his Presidential address- I was watching a video of him signing off the people he wants in his cabinet last night on the first day. As he signs the first one,Paul Ryan turns to him and says "that's your first law". Once again it hit home, Donald Trump making and signing off 'laws". Mind boggling.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 23, 2017 15:24:12 GMT -5
batfink30 The other concerning aspect to all of this is does Trump's economic, military and social policies embolden similar behaviour in other countries around the world, including here in the UK? I have also noted from the articles above and other sources that whilst withdrawing from TTP negotiations Trump has met with J&J and Lockheed Martin executives to discuss cutting the top rate of corporation tax to as low as 15% from 35%, which I assume will be met by cuts in healthcare, social and welfare programmes going by what I have seen thus far. The other angle is the protectionist measures for companies relocating outside the US< I can't see China for example willingly surrendering their low paid labour intensive roles in order to relocate them to the USA to take on the desperate as Trump's policies begin to take effect- A Chinese-US trade war would not be a healthy thing for the USA or other countries caught up in such events as covered by Fortune in December Why America Would Lose a Trade War With China
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Post by batfink30 on Jan 23, 2017 15:35:18 GMT -5
batfink30 The other concerning aspect to all of this is does Trump's economic, military and social policies embolden similar behaviour in other countries around the world, including here in the UK? I have also noted from the articles above and other sources that whilst withdrawing from TTP negotiations Trump has met with J&J and Lockheed Martin executives to discuss cutting the top rate of corporation tax to as low as 15% from 35%, which I assume will be met by cuts in healthcare, social and welfare programmes going by what I have seen thus far. The other angle is the protectionist measures for companies relocating outside the US< I can't see China for example willingly surrendering their low paid labour intensive roles in order to relocate them to the USA to take on the desperate as Trump's policies begin to take effect- A Chinese-US trade war would not be a healthy thing for the USA or other countries caught up in such events as covered by Fortune in December Why America Would Lose a Trade War With China We're already well on our way to our own isolationism and a "race to the bottom " with Brexit cuts in corporation tax. Will the EU survive in the midst of all this? I read that Spicer in his press conference tonight said they will defend international territories in relation to China's south sea islands. Nevemind a trade war ,Trump seems intent on going to war with China. Yet he wants to pull out of all other military involvement in the world? So for example Japan who are under nuclear protection from the US if Trump pulls out will probably then look at developing their own nuclear protection. Then theres the Iran deal,you've got to expect that to be scrapped soon. What a mess.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 23, 2017 15:49:37 GMT -5
We're already well on our way to our own isolationism and a "race to the bottom " with Brexit cuts in corporation tax. Will the EU survive in the midst of all this? I read that Spicer in his press conference tonight said they will defend international territories in relation to China's south sea islands. Nevemind a trade war ,Trump seems intent on going to war with China. Yet he wants to pull out of all other military involvement in the world? So for example Japan who are under nuclear protection from the US if Trump pulls out will probably then look at developing their own nuclear protection. Then theres the Iran deal,you've got to expect that to be scrapped soon. What a mess. I think the EU is in the balance at the moment, although with Trump pulling out of TPP I don't know where that leaves TTIP which I assumed the incumbent UK government were quite keen on, and moreover it will be interesting with the withdrawal from the EU if the trading arrangement does go as well as to where this leaves the UK if other major trading countries adapt similar protectionist policies. The cuts in corporation tax here will undoubtedly benefit the City of London who in the face of being the only profitable area of a decimated economy will wield even more power, despite not actually contributing to any part of society outside City of Westminster and Canary Wharf. The Middle Eastern prominent families incidentally have been buying up areas of London in both commercial and residential sectors to the tune of billions of pounds over the last year and increasingly so with Trump entering office, so I do wonder if they are concerned enough about how his policies may directly or indirectly lead to drastic changes in that region. The sabre rattling both economically and militarily over China suggests that the Trump administration sees the rise of China as more pressing the Europe, Middle East or Russia, or at least at this moment in time and to that extent I still think that the US will continue with involvement in Japan or S. Korea unless the plan is to sell conventional and nuclear weapons to the latter two countries. They will be playing a dangerous game taking on China, which will be a very different adversary in both categories to their opponents of the last sixty or so years- I hope he realises this is not the same China of the Korean War era.
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Post by batfink30 on Jan 23, 2017 15:55:57 GMT -5
We're already well on our way to our own isolationism and a "race to the bottom " with Brexit cuts in corporation tax. Will the EU survive in the midst of all this? I read that Spicer in his press conference tonight said they will defend international territories in relation to China's south sea islands. Nevemind a trade war ,Trump seems intent on going to war with China. Yet he wants to pull out of all other military involvement in the world? So for example Japan who are under nuclear protection from the US if Trump pulls out will probably then look at developing their own nuclear protection. Then theres the Iran deal,you've got to expect that to be scrapped soon. What a mess. I think the EU is in the balance at the moment, although with Trump pulling out of TPP I don't know where that leaves TTIP which I assumed the incumbent UK government were quite keen on, and moreover it will be interesting with the withdrawal from the EU if the trading arrangement does go as well as to where this leaves the UK if other major trading countries adapt similar protectionist policies. The cuts in corporation tax here will undoubtedly benefit the City of London who in the face of being the only profitable area of a decimated economy will wield even more power, despite not actually contributing to any part of society outside City of Westminster and Canary Wharf. The Middle Eastern prominent families incidentally have been buying up areas of London in both commercial and residential sectors to the tune of billions of pounds over the last year and increasingly so with Trump entering office, so I do wonder if they are concerned enough about how his policies may directly or indirectly lead to drastic changes in that region. The sabre rattling both economically and militarily over China suggests that the Trump administration sees the rise of China as more pressing the Europe, Middle East or Russia, or at least at this moment in time and to that extent I still think that the US will continue with involvement in Japan or S. Korea unless the plan is to sell conventional and nuclear weapons to the latter two countries. They will be playing a dangerous game taking on China, which will be a very different adversary in both categories to their opponents of the last sixty or so years- I hope he realises this is not the same China of the Korean War era. I don't think Trump realises anything, he's all gut instinct and will lash out in an instant. I think he's also pretty uneducated on foreign issues. It'll be ok though, he's being advised by Steve Bannon, Reince Priebus Kellyanne Conway.......!!!!
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Post by batfink30 on Jan 23, 2017 15:57:44 GMT -5
Lol....
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Post by globe on Jan 23, 2017 16:54:20 GMT -5
Did you see them dancing at thon ball thing? Her body language was very interesting.
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Jan 23, 2017 16:58:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 17:11:53 GMT -5
Me and my gal at the Women's March in D.C. on Saturday. What a wonderful day! And did you manage to do as your sign said? In all seriousness fair play for participating in real protest action, I only hope the pressure and scrutiny continues throughout the time he ;asts in office! Ha! I did not. Besides, he'd probably enjoy it...
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Jan 23, 2017 19:44:46 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Jan 23, 2017 19:45:08 GMT -5
Ha ha, I was just about to post this! And before anyone of his apologists comment by stating this is a reversed video, (twitter currently full of knobheads raging '"AAARGH THIS IS FFFAKE NEWWWWS!!!!***!!*!*!@*!*!ERROR//SYSTEM SHUTDOWN"....) well, it isn't. theslot.jezebel.com/melania-trump-definitely-loves-her-husband-and-is-very-1791531766She's a gold digger for sure who wilfully partook in the disgraceful 'birther' incident a few years ago, and sadly for her she is reaping what she has sowed by marrying into this sociopathic creep. There were also clips with body language experts when they greeted the Obamas on Inauguration Day. It was telling that Trump walked out the car, he didn't wait for his wife, didn't even acknowledge her, and it was up to Barack and Michelle Obama to put an arm around her and comfort her. A complete mismarriage while also showing what decent and honourable human beings the Obamas are, regardless of what you think of his presidency. No self-respecting gentleman or woman would ever identify themselves with this creep.
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Jan 23, 2017 19:46:46 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Jan 23, 2017 19:48:01 GMT -5
The great man must be spinning in his grave.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 23, 2017 22:19:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 8:31:13 GMT -5
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 24, 2017 12:35:15 GMT -5
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