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Post by colddrystone on Oct 29, 2016 23:32:11 GMT -5
It's pretty laughable how I cited the Democratic candidates habit of misquoting to fit an agenda and someone on here did the exact same thing. But nah, hope you felt good about yourself fighting the "bad guys" with a gif image and misquoting the truth to make yourself feel apart of the righteous side. No better than the teens who shout racist at everything to make themselves feel tolerant to be honest.
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Post by matt on Oct 29, 2016 23:37:58 GMT -5
This is the exact type of crap that makes me fear for the human race. The fact that something like that small sentence in an entire opinion piece is used against someone stating their opinion. But fuck my opinion for the time being, what FACTUAL basis do you have for disagreeing with that. And if you use Donald losing millions as one, the country is losing TRILLIONS at the moment. Looking forward to your response, though frankly judging by your other one, I don't think there's a mature bone in your body. But, but.... you said he had a good financial mind....... despite amassing hundreds of millions in losses. Just make sure I don't hire you as an accountant if that's the standards you hold. Your post invites ridicule because you state you are sick and tired of dishonesty and corruption? Yet you support Trump who is the very definition of this. Totally bizarre. The pair of them are shite candidates, but your reasons for going against Clinton are contradictory. And don't talk shite about Trump not being racist. It doesn't take a fucking genius to realise there has been dog whistle tactics applied in terms of Trumps comments. Subtle framing devices in headlines and speeches - and the general discourse of his speeches - make it clear there is racial aggravation there in slowly manipulating facts of the economy in order to lay the blame at the feet of 'others' leading to their demonisation. It's called propaganda. Plain and simple. P.S. See Farage and Hitler for similar examples.
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Post by colddrystone on Oct 29, 2016 23:38:54 GMT -5
Disgusting dude. The fact he makes people pay more for drugs that are potentially life saving is reprehensible. Supporting Trump but fuck that dude and any unreleased music he might have
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Post by colddrystone on Oct 29, 2016 23:47:28 GMT -5
This is the exact type of crap that makes me fear for the human race. The fact that something like that small sentence in an entire opinion piece is used against someone stating their opinion. But fuck my opinion for the time being, what FACTUAL basis do you have for disagreeing with that. And if you use Donald losing millions as one, the country is losing TRILLIONS at the moment. Looking forward to your response, though frankly judging by your other one, I don't think there's a mature bone in your body. But, but.... you said he had a good financial mind....... despite amassing hundreds of millions in losses. Just make sure I don't hire you as an accountant if that's the standards you hold. Your post invites ridicule because you state you are sick and tired of dishonesty and corruption? Yet you support Trump who is the very definition of this. Totally bizarre. The pair of them are shite candidates, but your reasons for going against Clinton are contradictory. And don't talk shite about Trump not being racist. It doesn't take a fucking genius to realise there has been dog whistle tactics applied in terms of Trumps comments. Subtle framing devices in headlines and speeches - and the general discourse of his speeches - make it clear there is racial aggravation there. It's called propaganda. Plain and simple. Like I said, state some actual facts that prove Donald is corrupt or has ties to special interest groups ie millions of dollars in donations. If you'd actually watch a single rally of his, you'd know that none of his speeches are racially motivated, he's made it clear from day one that it's only radicals he has problems with and is one of the only conservative politicians to actually mention that African Americans have been failed by the system, even though he gets shit cos of it off genuinely racist people in the Republican party. Yet you choose to listen to mainstream medias shit which to be frank, is pretty rich coming from a supposed fan of someone like the Smiths who were strongly opinionated but had their own assessments rather than swallowing the medias utter tripe. And like I said, millions are still a massive step from trillions that the US are currently owing.
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Post by colddrystone on Oct 30, 2016 0:01:08 GMT -5
Wow, the Hitler comparison, not only are you just as bad as a teen girl on Tumblr, you've just equated a man who orchestrated the genocide of millions of innocent people by an evil maniac to a man whose opinions you don't agree with. Disgusting.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 30, 2016 2:22:31 GMT -5
Beyond idiotic twitter status, but it's twitter so it's as to be expected. I'd rather have someone running a country who might have said some stupid stuff rather than someone who twice during an election is under FBI investigation, sells uranium to Russia but then complains about how they have nuclears weapons and misquotes everything the opposition makes to further themselves in the running be in the commander in chief privilege. Used to identify myself as a liberal but after seeing the Republican party demonized through the primaries and the main elections, I don't know how anyone who backs someone as unethical as Hillary Clinton can honestly be a level headed person. And that isn't sour grapes, that's facts that have been seen that have been used to base an assessment on someone rather than someone forcing an agenda or acting on special interests, which if you've seen the emails or read the Clinton Cash book, you know is the case with democratic party. It's been hard as a brown male to see Trump labeled a racist when I've been watching his rallies live since early 2016 and know he's nothing of the sort, if he was I'd straight up be like fuck off Rebublicans, the Democratic party is where it's at. I implore every American on this forum to think do I either want a leader who might say silly things but has a good financial mind and passion for running the country and will bring in people who are worth it or do I wan't some who has been with a party for 30 years, be accused of negligence in the face of the Benghazi attacks, be funded by the same countries she classes as deplorable, has been investigated by the FBI TWICE in the past year who will stick to the same regime be the commander in chief. Change might be scary, but it's what is needed at this moment in time. Which other president would threaten a company like ford with over inflation should they leave the US for so called greener pastures in places like Mexico. If you take everything into account and still feel the democratic party is the best for you, this opinion will be respected, but I feel that with the current sway of the mainstream media, the other side of the spectrum needs to be represented. Sure you might see an opinion on NBC or CBS, but also have a look on places like Breitbart or more neutral places than the alt right movement sites. This will probably completely dismissed but I'm sick and tired of forces so dishonest and corrupt be put into power and then the people getting angry at it. See, the problem isn't that Trump says a few "silly things". We're talking about a megalomaniac who praises autocrats, condones sexual assault, threatens to imprison his opponent, invites foreign countries to hack into U.S. servers, picks fights with the parents of a deceased veteran, thinks vaccines cause autism, thinks women should be punished for having abortions, spews racist hate, entertains fringe conspiracy theories, gets into childish Twitter wars at 1:00 a.m., refuses to clear any conflict-of-interest accusations, and will not accept the will of the people. It's not a couple of gaffes we are talking about: this is a pattern of behavior that very clearly characterizes him as someone who should not be allowed near the Oval Office. It is delusional to see it any other way.
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 30, 2016 4:19:00 GMT -5
Clinton is 100 % evil.
There is 0.0000000001 % that Trump will do something positive for USA and World.
So, GO TRUMP!
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 30, 2016 6:28:51 GMT -5
Fucking hell I understand his views on Donald Trump but that really is letting Hilary Clinton's history, policies and ties off the hook in one tweet surely.... EDIT- Probably a bit harsh in the choice of language but that tweet to me encapsulates how partisan this election has got to the point that two people who should be nowhere near public office have galvanised an entire nation to side with one of the candidates, primarily in a lot of cases out of a sense of dread/fear/political stance against the idea of the other becoming President and irrespective of the glaring failings or more than questionable background of their chosen nominee.
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Post by matt on Oct 30, 2016 10:39:37 GMT -5
Fucking hell I understand his views on Donald Trump but that really is letting Hilary Clinton's history, policies and ties off the hook in one tweet surely.... EDIT- Probably a bit harsh in the choice of language but that tweet to me encapsulates how partisan this election has got to the point that two people who should be nowhere near public office have galvanised an entire nation to side with one of the candidates, primarily in a lot of cases out of a sense of dread/fear/political stance against the idea of the other becoming President and irrespective of the glaring failings or more than questionable background of their chosen nominee. Nobody is saying she's perfect - far from it. But Trump is a different level of dangerous and nasty. In all aspects of his persona and in all aspects of his policy.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 30, 2016 10:58:42 GMT -5
Fucking hell I understand his views on Donald Trump but that really is letting Hilary Clinton's history, policies and ties off the hook in one tweet surely.... EDIT- Probably a bit harsh in the choice of language but that tweet to me encapsulates how partisan this election has got to the point that two people who should be nowhere near public office have galvanised an entire nation to side with one of the candidates, primarily in a lot of cases out of a sense of dread/fear/political stance against the idea of the other becoming President and irrespective of the glaring failings or more than questionable background of their chosen nominee. Nobody is saying she's perfect - far from it. But Trump is a different level of dangerous and nasty. In all aspects of his persona and in all aspects of his policy. In terms of his misogyny, racism, sexism and throwback to unenlightened times if I can put it that way to cover the rest of his many failings I absolutely agree he is unfit for public office by any stretch of the imagination. However that doesn't excuse Hilary from being a liar, warmonger, greed driven nasty piece of work either and in all honesty I stand by my earlier longer post that out of the two and as catastrophic as either will be as President she is more likely to cause a conventional or possible nuclear confrontation away from the American continent. I think we actually agree for the most part but for me it is baffling as to how either of these two individuals can be seen as a good thing if elected as President. IIRC the BBC had a female reporter not so long ago questioning why more women weren't excited at the possibility of a female President, to which my own thoughts were she's still one of the power broker families with those sort of connections, her history and influence during Bill's time in office, and her own ties to vested interests away from elected Government roles. It's hardly a left field candidate with fresh ideas and a real desire to change things for the better- in many ways it's 1979 all over again when certain elements genuinely believed (briefly it has to be said) that Margaret Thatcher would be a good thing as she had "a woman's perspective".... As to Donald Trump I still can't get my head around if this was a joke, PR exercise or H. Ross Perot style wishful thinking that has been blown all out of proportion. His supposedly "honest" talking and views to me are actually an untrained individual in the public eye who is clearly out his depth and is not being "clever" or "appealing to the masses" but is actually saying his own genuine views without any of the usual political rhetoric to cover himself. The fact that people en masse cannot see through this is genuinely alarming and bewildering, and for me says a lot about how divided society is when a man arrives on the political scene to be treated like a saviour when for me he is doing a remarkable job in making the Clinton and even Blair families look decent. I don't know which way this election will go and either way it will be a negative outcome for people on the American continent or elsewhere in the world who have had nothing to do with any of the preceding circus that is this Election. In some ways it could almost be a gallows humour comedy if it wasn't all too frighteningly real. If I can sum it up I can't think of a period during my lifetime where I have been less optimistic about either candidate in arguably the most powerful leadership position on the planet in modern times.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 30, 2016 15:29:03 GMT -5
So the FBI are reopening Clinton's email case? Yep, my earlier post was right, Trump is going to win this. Clinton is the only candidate in the whole of US politics that Trump could actually beat. Bonkers stuff. It is mad in as much that prior to these allegations in the run up to the campaign I would have said Hilary must have been secretly hoping for Donald Trump to get a nomination, because in all honesty how could anyone approaching it rationally think she would lose in that scenario? For all of the questionable decisions, history and other parts of the Clintons, and I include Bill both for his presidency when Hilary was alleged to have been quite vocal on a number of matters and as Hilary's husband during this campaign, the prospect of Donald Trump must have been a great relief to them because even against all that the man came across as every possible negative political aspect you could hope to have in an opponent blown up into comical proportions. If it wasn't for having seen his campaign develop and grow from the start one might almost be forgiven for having a fringe theory along the lines of "Did the Democrats actually orchestrate events so this lunatic would be up against Hilary?" (I said almost )It's very much now anyone's guess as to what the eventual outcomes will be, not helped by one of the downsides to the digital age which is the easy spreading of disinformation and outright lies from all sides aided by politically aware or otherwise social media activity. The last one is by no means confined to the USA, see British newspaper comments, social media, etc. whenever a political event makes the front page/trending news.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 15:49:05 GMT -5
This thread could pretty damn much turn into Kiddie's corner n. 2.
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Post by batfink30 on Oct 30, 2016 15:54:36 GMT -5
This thread could pretty damn much turn into Kiddie's corner n. 2. The US election has already turned into kiddies corner.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 30, 2016 16:01:14 GMT -5
This thread could pretty damn much turn into Kiddie's corner n. 2. The US election has already turned into kiddies corner. "Nightmare on Sesame Street" as Rodders would have put it
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Post by colddrystone on Oct 30, 2016 18:41:37 GMT -5
Beyond idiotic twitter status, but it's twitter so it's as to be expected. I'd rather have someone running a country who might have said some stupid stuff rather than someone who twice during an election is under FBI investigation, sells uranium to Russia but then complains about how they have nuclears weapons and misquotes everything the opposition makes to further themselves in the running be in the commander in chief privilege. Used to identify myself as a liberal but after seeing the Republican party demonized through the primaries and the main elections, I don't know how anyone who backs someone as unethical as Hillary Clinton can honestly be a level headed person. And that isn't sour grapes, that's facts that have been seen that have been used to base an assessment on someone rather than someone forcing an agenda or acting on special interests, which if you've seen the emails or read the Clinton Cash book, you know is the case with democratic party. It's been hard as a brown male to see Trump labeled a racist when I've been watching his rallies live since early 2016 and know he's nothing of the sort, if he was I'd straight up be like fuck off Rebublicans, the Democratic party is where it's at. I implore every American on this forum to think do I either want a leader who might say silly things but has a good financial mind and passion for running the country and will bring in people who are worth it or do I wan't some who has been with a party for 30 years, be accused of negligence in the face of the Benghazi attacks, be funded by the same countries she classes as deplorable, has been investigated by the FBI TWICE in the past year who will stick to the same regime be the commander in chief. Change might be scary, but it's what is needed at this moment in time. Which other president would threaten a company like ford with over inflation should they leave the US for so called greener pastures in places like Mexico. If you take everything into account and still feel the democratic party is the best for you, this opinion will be respected, but I feel that with the current sway of the mainstream media, the other side of the spectrum needs to be represented. Sure you might see an opinion on NBC or CBS, but also have a look on places like Breitbart or more neutral places than the alt right movement sites. This will probably completely dismissed but I'm sick and tired of forces so dishonest and corrupt be put into power and then the people getting angry at it. See, the problem isn't that Trump says a few "silly things". We're talking about a megalomaniac who praises autocrats, condones sexual assault, threatens to imprison his opponent, invites foreign countries to hack into U.S. servers, picks fights with the parents of a deceased veteran, thinks vaccines cause autism, thinks women should be punished for having abortions, spews racist hate, entertains fringe conspiracy theories, gets into childish Twitter wars at 1:00 a.m., refuses to clear any conflict-of-interest accusations, and will not accept the will of the people. It's not a couple of gaffes we are talking about: this is a pattern of behavior that very clearly characterizes him as someone who should not be allowed near the Oval Office. It is delusional to see it any other way. Again, I'll make a few points. Most of those are baseless accusations, show me where he's openly said he's a supporters of autocrats, where has he ever said that sexual assault is ok? In fact he's made a point shaming Bill Clinton due to the amount of people who've accused Bill of assault. He never invited foreign countries to hack the country servers, he did however ever make off the cuff remarks at rallies saying if a country has any of the emails that Hillary deleted to come forward with them. The parent of the dead veteran is the one who instigated the fight by speaking for Hillary and making comments like Trump had a black heart and didn't understand the constitution. Donald had every right to respond to that. With the autism/vaccine controversy, he's expressed skepticism for sure so I'll half give you that one seeing as science has proved there's absolutely no link, however, he isn't going to rallies making speeches about not getting your kids injected. I'm not too sure about punishing women for having abortions but I have heard him say he doesn't agree abortion in advance stages of pregnancy. The race hate thing is completely bogus, as I said, he's one of the only conservative politicians to point out how African Americans in low income areas are being failed by the current system. And if you're referring to the ban all muslims comments, he's now made it clear he means the militant ones, which is fair. With whole deport all immigrants thing as well, he's always made it clear that it's only the ones who are there illegally he wants to get rid of but they're more than welcome to come back should they get the right documentation, which is fair seeing as less than half of illegals pay taxes. Now on the topic of conspiracy theories, the main one he's brought up is Hillary's emails. And you know what, she's been investigated now TWICE in the past year by the FBI due to the content of some of those emails. And if you think his rigging accusations are baseless, look at how the media have swayed to one side, look at how they've misquoted him and printed/published it as fact. The twitter thing I'll give you cos some of his tweets can get immature. And lastly, not willing to accept the will of the people? They're why he's running. He's the only candidate who's standard of living will be considerably worse by moving into the Oval Office. It's disgusting that've you've written off anyone with an opposing view as delusional. I myself stated earlier that if everyone takes the facts and still thinks the Democratic party is the way to go then I'm cool with that. It's sad that it's come down to these two out of the 300+ million people but I'm not having them not being treated equally. Both should be open for scrutiny. Both should have their wrongdoings publicized as the people have a right to know what they're getting and sadly that's not what's happening. Instead what we have is one candidate being demonised by the media and holier than thou individuals like yourself bending over for them and treating their misinformation as fact. If you want to vote Trump, vote Trump. If you want to vote Clinton, vote Clinton. But only look at the FACTS. They're always doing rallies, get your information from the horses mouth than the horses arse that is the mainstream media.
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Post by Let It🩸 on Oct 30, 2016 19:06:38 GMT -5
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Post by batfink30 on Oct 30, 2016 20:22:29 GMT -5
I'm off to Australia on the 9th Nov on holiday. As long as Trump doesn't nuke the world in November and I get my holiday, I'll be happy!
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Post by Let It🩸 on Oct 30, 2016 21:21:31 GMT -5
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 30, 2016 21:31:33 GMT -5
I'm off to Australia on the 9th Nov on holiday. As long as Trump doesn't nuke the world in November and I get my holiday, I'll be happy! Have a safe and enjoyable trip Regardless of my own disliking of both candidates I would bet money on it being Hilary launching a nuke, but there's little point in that as whichever launches one it will be difficult for a winner to collect
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 30, 2016 22:56:04 GMT -5
The things people say about Donald Trump today is what they would have said about Noel Gallagher in the 1990s. And I, frankly, would have loved Noel to be Prime Minister. But perhaps that's just me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 1:33:19 GMT -5
The things people say about Donald Trump today is what they would have said about Noel Gallagher in the 1990s. And I, frankly, would have loved Noel to be Prime Minister. But perhaps that's just me. Sid Vicious as Home Secretary, Mark E Smith as Foreign Secretary, Gary Glitter as Secretary of State for Education, and Chris Martin, Damon Albarn and Thom Yorke in a job share as Secretaries of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. Bit of dystopia to start yer Monday morning.
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Post by globe on Oct 31, 2016 5:09:58 GMT -5
The things people say about Donald Trump today is what they would have said about Noel Gallagher in the 1990s. And I, frankly, would have loved Noel to be Prime Minister. But perhaps that's just me. Can't remember Noel ever saying it's OK to sexually assault women and treat them like pieces of meat and pretty much being a horrible racist wanker. Plus Noel had cool hair. Clown.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 31, 2016 8:02:37 GMT -5
Not defending Donald Trump in the slightest but I would like to point out the hundreds of millions of dollars losses that he has supposedly incurred going back to the nineties with his airline, Atlantic City casinos and Plaza Hotel from looking at the figures and information available appear primarily to be depreciation. This relates to a devaluation of assets over a period of time which may explain with the airline collapse and other assets falling in value how Trump was able to use this to create a "paper loss" (i.e. no actual money was lost) which reduces his tax liability by the amount he then recorded as a loss. It is also a rather catch all term being used in "All Other Income" which can relate to non-business, non-investment and non-wages losses including such things as gambling- Market Watch- Why Trump's Losses May Not Have Been a Cash Loss At AllI would if I was taking a moral stance as an opposition be less inclined to attack him for a supposed lack of business acumen over these losses, and perhaps more take a moral standpoint over his complex use of the tax system to avoid payments like his elite contemporaries and even the lesser rich (I refer to millionaires who are not within the elite multi billionaire category but still are able to use such systems to their advantage) in ways that are simply not available to millions of Americans who are left with the tax burden. I obviously have no dealings with the Clintons and their tax affairs so I do not know if Hillary would be skating on thin ice so to speak using this tactic or perhaps upsetting her own backers, which may be why she and her campaign have instead focused on first page only analyses of Donald Trump's Connecticut, New Jersey and New York State tax returns. These systems exist in many countries with revelations coming in from time to time with entertainers, footballers and prominent business people being caught up in such affairs. The important thing to note when railing against these types of things is that they are not illegal although they do have a barrier to entry in terms of minimum financial commitments that can easily run into the high millions, which is what annoys me somewhat when Government figures have joined in the hypocritical condemnation. David Cameron's late father for example was one of many who either established their own or other individual's offshore funds which for decades avoided UK tax- The Guardian- Cameron Father Bahamas Tax . Where the ire of the people should be directed is against the financial institutes and Government legislators who are complicit in allowing these types of tax avoidance schemes to flourish, costing for example the UK an estimated £4,400,000,000 in direct lost receipts for the 2015 tax year which then has to be shouldered as a burden by increased takings from those who are subject to normal PAYE or Self Assessment rules as well as hitting the poorest hardest with cutbacks across a wide range of areas.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 8:11:52 GMT -5
Not defending Donald Trump in the slightest but I would like to point out the hundreds of millions of dollars losses that he has supposedly incurred going back to the nineties with his airline, Atlantic City casinos and Plaza Hotel from looking at the figures and information available appear to be primarily to be depreciation. This relates to a devaluation of assets over a period of time which may explain with the airline collapse and other assets falling in value how Trump was able to use this to create a "paper loss" (i.e. no actual money was lost) which reduces his tax liability by the amount he then recorded as a loss. It is also a rather catch all term being used in "All Other Income" which can relate to non-business, non-investment and non-wages losses including such things as gambling- Market Watch- Why Trump's Losses May Not Have Been a Cash Loss At AllI would if I was taking a moral stance as an opposition be less inclined to attack him for a supposed lack of business acumen over these losses, and perhaps more take a moral standpoint over his complex use of the tax system to avoid payments like his elite contemporaries and even the lesser rich (I refer to millionaires who are not within the elite multi billionaire category but still are able to use such systems to their advantage) in ways that are simply not available to millions of Americans who are left with the tax burden. I obviously have no dealings with the Clintons and their tax affairs so I do not know if Hillary would be skating on thin ice so to speak using this tactic or perhaps upsetting her own backers, which may be why she and her campaign have instead focused on first page only analyses of Donald Trump's Connecticut, New Jersey and New York State tax returns. These systems exist in many countries with revelations coming in from time to time with entertainers, footballers and prominent business people being caught up in such affairs. The important thing to note when railing against these types of things is that they are not illegal although they do have a barrier to entry in terms of minimum financial commitments that can easily run into the high millions, which is what annoys me somewhat when Government figures have joined in the hypocritical condemnation. David Cameron's late father for example was one of many who either established their own or other individual's offshore funds which for decades avoided UK tax- The Guardian- Cameron Father Bahamas Tax . Where the ire of the people should be directed is against the financial institutes and Government legislators who are complicit in allowing these types of tax avoidance schemes to flourish, costing for example the UK an estimated £4,400,000,000 in lost receipts for the 2015 tax year which then has to be shouldered as a burden by increased takings from those who are subject to normal PAYE or Self Assessment rules as well as hitting the poorest hardest with cutbacks across a wide range of areas. Oh you accountants sure do know how to have a good time.
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