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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 9, 2016 21:34:16 GMT -5
I actually think Trump did very well tonight - much better than the disaster of his first debate. Was it enough to stop the death spiral of the last week? Who knows.
But at the very least, he didn't further hurt his cause (although that's not saying much, mind).
His campaign, and this election is not over. A true escape artist.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 9, 2016 21:43:21 GMT -5
I actually think Trump did very well tonight - much better than the disaster of his first debate. Was it enough to stop the death spiral of the last week? Who knows. But at the very least, he didn't further hurt his cause (although that's not saying much, mind). I don't think he caused more Republicans to jump ship, but I don't think this debate did anything to help him. Clinton will leave and maintain her 6 point lead, which gives Trump (once accounting for the news cycle to peter out) one less week to come back. So, it was a win for Hillary. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 9, 2016 21:50:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure Trump did well on the body language front. The split screen seriously hurt him. The interruptions also hurt him. It was also extremely clear that he did not do much debate prep. When he did make solid points, he tended to flail and meander in the rest of his points. He had a lot of miss opportunities tonight once the debate got to substantial issues.
Also, him openly disagreeing with his Vice Presidential nominee was jaw dropping. Literally, jaw dropping. I have never seen that.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 9, 2016 22:47:23 GMT -5
So...the second debate. Can anyone really defend Trump's debating skills at this point? Beady’s Here Now said that he did better than last time, but that's hardly saying anything, is it? Clinton did another great job, especially when she reminded Trump of a president's veto power!  There are many things I could talk about when discussing this debate, but I'd like to focus on one thing. Remember when Trump was answering the question about his sexual assault remarks video? He said he was sorry, but then he started rambling about ISIS and how they were doing terrible things like beheading and drowning people. So he's basically saying "I've done some bad things, but at least it's better than some" in his own words "radical Islamic terrorists"  What the actual fuck. Clinton makes a very good point when she says that there's more than the video that shows how he thinks about women. And for a presidential candidate to defend himself against misogynistic remarks by stating that he's better than a bunch of murderers is, quite frankly, disgusting. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 9, 2016 23:09:20 GMT -5
My guess: Currently Clinton is up nationally by about 6 points. That's a lot. Early voting has already begun. There is a very good chance that Clinton will take on a very large lead in early voting over the next two weeks.
Essentially, Trump DOES NOT have till election day to make this a race again. He really only has two weeks. If we get to the next presidential debate and Clinton is still up 3 or 4 points, then her lead in early voting will be sufficient enough to carry her through to election day.
In essence, I don't see how Trump comes back. There's a reason, even after this debate, most republican leader have left him for dead. I don't know what escape act NL4E is talking about. The only escape was this not turning into a double digit loss, yet. But Trump did nothing to move that 6% down. That's bad. It's like 2012. Every day Clinton is ahead is a loss for Trump. Trump didn't escape the extra days that Clinton will be ahead.
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Post by Rain on Oct 10, 2016 0:40:44 GMT -5
I actually think Trump did very well tonight - much better than the disaster of his first debate. Was it enough to stop the death spiral of the last week? Who knows. But at the very least, he didn't further hurt his cause (although that's not saying much, mind). His campaign, and this election is not over. A true escape artist.agreed to a point. Trump was spot on tonight. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 10, 2016 2:39:24 GMT -5
I thought Trump perhaps won on the point scoring in terms of attacking his rival but little else of any importance. I can see why Clinton's lead isn't bigger, she is pretty awful.
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Post by RocketMan on Oct 10, 2016 5:26:45 GMT -5
Would be nice if you guys just let obama do another 4 years until you find someone better than these two clowns. Thanks from europe
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Oct 10, 2016 7:12:47 GMT -5
Who was the blonde asking questions? I literally thought it was Erin Molan, the Aussie sports writer. It wasn't.
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Post by NYR on Oct 10, 2016 9:50:44 GMT -5
What kind of country do we live in when it's no longer assured that you will lose a presidential debate when you promise to jail your opponent while simultaneously calling her "The Devil"?
I weep for this country.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 10, 2016 10:21:45 GMT -5
JFK was a womanizer, to say the least. And of course we know about Bill Clinton. Richard Nixon was a racist, anti semetic, paranoid mean spirited individual.
Without defending Trump, people need to put things into better context.
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Post by globe on Oct 10, 2016 11:00:27 GMT -5
So...the second debate. Can anyone really defend Trump's debating skills at this point? Beady’s Here Now said that he did better than last time, but that's hardly saying anything, is it? Clinton did another great job, especially when she reminded Trump of a president's veto power! There are many things I could talk about when discussing this debate, but I'd like to focus on one thing. Remember when Trump was answering the question about his sexual assault remarks video? He said he was sorry, but then he started rambling about ISIS and how they were doing terrible things like beheading and drowning people. So he's basically saying "I've done some bad things, but at least it's better than some" in his own words "radical Islamic terrorists" What the actual fuck. Clinton makes a very good point when she says that there's more than the video that shows how he thinks about women. And for a presidential candidate to defend himself against misogynistic remarks by stating that he's better than a bunch of murderers is, quite frankly, disgusting. Aye, he's trying to say - Bill Clinton was also a sleazebag so it's ok for me to do it. He's like a wee laddie in the playground - "a big boy did it an ran away". A total fud, I cannot believe that anybody with even half a brain cell would even consider voting for this disgusting piece of shite. Actually, I can't believe anybody would consider voting for anybody with such smert hair. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 11:09:18 GMT -5
What kind of country do we live in when it's no longer assured that you will lose a presidential debate when you promise to jail your opponent while simultaneously calling her "The Devil"? I weep for this country. Personally I think they should both be jailed as a service to the human race, so I don't see the problem here. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 10, 2016 11:21:30 GMT -5
NBC just posted a poll showing behind by 11 points to Clinton. The poll was conducted after the tape was released and before the debate.
A couple caveats, NBC generally shows better numbers for Clinton. Also, the sample size wasn't incredibly large.
However, even if one shaves off 3 points, which would be a big total, that would leave Clinton with an 8 point lead. If all others polls show that big of a shift, it is difficult to envision Trump coming back in less than a month.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 10, 2016 11:30:54 GMT -5
What kind of country do we live in when it's no longer assured that you will lose a presidential debate when you promise to jail your opponent while simultaneously calling her "The Devil"? I weep for this country. Personally I think they should both be jailed, so I don't see the problem here. A lack of judgement doesn't equate jail. The whole problem with the e-mail scandal has always been precedent. Everyone jumps to the conclusion of jail. But as I said pages ago, General Patreus gave away CIA codes names and clearly shared classified documents. Both of these were far graver than Hillary's offense, keeping a separate server. He only received two years probation. In the end, having a personal server isn't a jailable offense, no matter how much people want it to be. There isn't a court in America that would jail someone for that purpose, and for good reason. Think about it like this, would you jail a government official for having a personal filing cabinet with government documents at their home? Probably not. There's a high chance those documents may be stolen. They are not on government property. But on the face of it, the idea of jailing someone seems idiotic. The server issue was no different. In my opinion, it gained more traction from Clinton trying to dodge it than the actual offense. If she had come out and admitted from the beginning her offense, we probably would not be talking about it today. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 10, 2016 11:53:58 GMT -5
fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-second-debate-probably-didnt-help-trump-and-he-needed-help/"This inevitably introduces the possibility of groupthink and various other biases, such as judging a candidate’s performance relative “to expectations” (i.e., relative to the media’s expectations, not the voters’ expectations) instead of in any absolute sense. Once expectations were lowered to the point that we in the media were speculating about whether Trump’s own running mate might drop out, any half-decent performance was bound to look good."
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 10, 2016 15:55:38 GMT -5
Apologies, Americans, for trivialising something so important, but this made me chortle:
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 10, 2016 18:19:42 GMT -5
So much respect!
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Post by Rain on Oct 10, 2016 23:39:43 GMT -5
NBC just posted a poll showing behind by 11 points to Clinton. The poll was conducted after the tape was released and before the debate. A couple caveats, NBC generally shows better numbers for Clinton. Also, the sample size wasn't incredibly large. However, even if one shaves off 3 points, which would be a big total, that would leave Clinton with an 8 point lead. If all others polls show that big of a shift, it is difficult to envision Trump coming back in less than a month. NBC is a big Obama supporter. The biggest things for many Americans is health care cost. Americans aren't seeing pay checks increase or cost of living if it's going to health care cost. We need the monoploy of Premera Blue Cross and Blue Shield not to be the only option. We need a open market and state rules with health insurance has to disappear. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 11, 2016 16:41:11 GMT -5
Personally I think they should both be jailed, so I don't see the problem here. Think about it like this, would you jail a government official for having a personal filing cabinet with government documents at their home? Probably not. There's a high chance those documents may be stolen. They are not on government property. But on the face of it, the idea of jailing someone seems idiotic. The server issue was no different. In my opinion, it gained more traction from Clinton trying to dodge it than the actual offense. If she had come out and admitted from the beginning her offense, we probably would not be talking about it today. Wam! Bam! Thank you, Sam! thefederalist.com/2016/10/11/man-did-what-hillary-did-with-classified-information-in-jail/ |
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 11, 2016 16:42:25 GMT -5
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Post by spaneli on Oct 11, 2016 16:59:54 GMT -5
Think about it like this, would you jail a government official for having a personal filing cabinet with government documents at their home? Probably not. There's a high chance those documents may be stolen. They are not on government property. But on the face of it, the idea of jailing someone seems idiotic. The server issue was no different. In my opinion, it gained more traction from Clinton trying to dodge it than the actual offense. If she had come out and admitted from the beginning her offense, we probably would not be talking about it today. Wam! Bam! Thank you, Sam! thefederalist.com/2016/10/11/man-did-what-hillary-did-with-classified-information-in-jail/I don't think it ever mentions his position. Was this guy just an ordinary citizen who stole documents or someone in the white house? If am ordinary citizen, then yes, he would be sent to jail. Especially, if he didn't have clearance e to view those documents (edit: you have to click the hyper link for that bit of needed information). Apparently, he was contractor for the US government, so big difference from the secretary of state. He also stole up to $1,000 of government property. Along with hard copies of documents. Also, the key phrase in the article itself is that Martin knew he didn't have clearance. That is to say, there was a criminal intent. The big divergence of the Hillary case was intent. Her point was that she had clearance for the documents and through prior secretary of states was told that they kept classified documents at home because you know, they were secretary of states. So criminal intent was not present. Different from Martin who knew he didn't have clearance for those top secret documents, unlike Clinton, but also knew he couldnt have hard copies at home. So the intent of criminal wrongdoing was present through Martin's quote. So, unlike what the article states....this is not the same case as Hillary. If this what you read then it makes sense that you have the views that you do. Lastly, he was arrested but not convicted. I would be surprised if he were convicted. These cases typically do not become convictions. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 12, 2016 9:06:12 GMT -5
We're less than 4 weeks away from election day, and this map doesn't look good for Tump: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromoCurrently, Clinton has nearly triple the chance of winning Alaska and Georgia than Trump has of winning the election. Suffice to say that it'll take a mammoth effort for Trump to win. He's gotta flip about 5-6 states (Florida/Ohio/North Carolina/Arizona/Iowa). At this point, Trump is down about 6 points nationally. That means that he'll have to pick a 1.5 points per week. That would be an amazing clip, and would require an epic collapse by Clinton. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 12, 2016 12:13:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 14:26:42 GMT -5
Why are we still debating this? Trump has almost ZERO chance of winning. We get it. What I find more interesting is all the people who are only voting Hillary because she isn't Trump. Not because they actually care for her or her politics. If it was literally anyone else, then her numbers would be terrible as well. |
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What the actual fuck. Clinton makes a very good point when she says that there's more than the video that shows how he thinks about women. And for a presidential candidate to defend himself against misogynistic remarks by stating that he's better than a bunch of murderers is, quite frankly, disgusting.
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