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Post by themexican on Sept 13, 2015 2:32:37 GMT -5
First off I apologize for the long post.
I've got a playlist of Noel sung songs, amazing tracks like Riverman, IIHAG, DLBIA, The Masterplan etc but, to me, BOTMI stands out every time possibly the strongest track.
The piano intro which blends in brilliantly from YKWCGB, the bass line, the moody first verse, the power chords, the layers of vocals, Marrs rifts, tension, the 'drop' for the last chorus after the breakdown, even the video is good by Noels standards. Theres so much detail to this song its unbelievable. I heard the instrumental as a backing track to some BBC Rugby Highlights and it sounded awesome in that form to. I think if it was marketed better, Noel could have had at least a top 10 hit.
I'm not overly sure how marketing works but imagine if the backing track was put out there (or part of it) weeks before the announcement of the first single but no-one knew it was Noel and this was kept secret. Maybe use it on football highlights, an advert or music for an app (a good way to target a large audience), that bass loop would be stuck in peoples heads. Next the first single is announced, YKWCGB, on the single theres a snippet of up to the end of the first line of vocals, again leave the track name unannounced. This would include the piano intro and bass. This forum would go crazy when they realize the tune they have been hearing for months is Noel. Next book in a slot on the Johnathon Ross show and get Marr involved to premier the single...... followed by an immediate release. Surely thats going to score him a hit.
Its not all about the music anymore, which is a shame because this is one of his best pieces of work ever. Noels team need to market his music better.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 13, 2015 2:43:31 GMT -5
I don't know about marketing, but it definitely deserved better than this. I honestly think it's his best solo song. Everything about it is right. Good instrumentation, good lyrics and amazing vocals and yes, even the video is good for once. It's such a shame how it didn't do anything.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Sept 13, 2015 4:16:04 GMT -5
I loved this song on first listen, but after 8 months I can confidently state it is one of my favourite songs ever. It might even be my favourite Noel-penned tune, solo or with Oasis (blasphemy, I know). Definitely his best solo track.
Marketing and charts are not very important to me, but it is an absolute disgrace Noel stopped playing it live and even claimed it was boring. It sounded like an excuse not to play it since it must be a bitch to sing.
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Sept 13, 2015 4:40:12 GMT -5
Put it this way, it charted at #54 with downloads and none of the pre-order instanf downloads counted.
If they had have just released it as conventional single, with the vinyls coming out on the same day it probably would have gone top 15. It was What a Life! All over again, that would have been top 5 in 2011 had they not done the stupid staggered release.
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Post by leak4ever on Sept 13, 2015 5:53:45 GMT -5
Both Noel and BDI have been/were let down by bad management and stupid ideas. The music for both was much better than the recognition they got. I'd go so far as to say that BDI would still be around had they been managed properly.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 13, 2015 6:01:31 GMT -5
Both Noel and BDI have been/were let down by bad management and stupid ideas. The music for both was much better than the recognition they got. I'd go so far as to say that BDI would still be around had they been managed properly. I agree with the first bit. They were in a huge band and their stuff should've done better. HFB1 did pretty well. But look at CY. And look at all the singles. What kind of stupid strategy was this? Not sure about BDI still being around though. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 13, 2015 6:32:02 GMT -5
Noel won't have another hit single ever again
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 13, 2015 6:52:26 GMT -5
Noel won't have another hit single ever again I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I don't think so either. Not because of his age (although it plays a role) because Macca had a #1 hit this year (obviously Macca is way bigger) and more artists have had hits at a later age, but also because of the times we live in and the kind of fans he has. Oh and also because of his management, which basically secure his future of never selling the amount of copies of both albums and singles he should be selling ever again  |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 13, 2015 7:11:40 GMT -5
Noel won't have another hit single ever again I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I don't think so either. Not because of his age (although it plays a role) because Macca had a #1 hit this year (obviously Macca is way bigger) and more artists have had hits at a later age, but also because of the times we live in and the kind of fans he has. Oh and also because of his management, which basically secure his future of never selling the amount of copies of both albums and singles he should be selling ever again Well it's also age tbh Macca's last #1 was in 1989 FourFiveSeconds charted at #3,but Noel would have a top 5 hit too if he collaborated with Kanye and Rihanna... |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 13, 2015 7:19:12 GMT -5
I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I don't think so either. Not because of his age (although it plays a role) because Macca had a #1 hit this year (obviously Macca is way bigger) and more artists have had hits at a later age, but also because of the times we live in and the kind of fans he has. Oh and also because of his management, which basically secure his future of never selling the amount of copies of both albums and singles he should be selling ever again Well it's also age tbh Macca's last #1 was in 1989 FourFiveSeconds charted at #3,but Noel would have a top 5 hit too if he collaborated with Kanye and Rihanna... Well it peaked at #1 HERE. Yeah that's my point, and we wouldn't want him to do that, would we |
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Post by mahsteve on Sept 13, 2015 7:49:49 GMT -5
Both Noel and BDI have been/were let down by bad management and stupid ideas. The music for both was much better than the recognition they got. I'd go so far as to say that BDI would still be around had they been managed properly. Yeah I agree. Also events outside the band conspired against them ie Gem's unfortunate head injury and Liam's personal problems. I thought the beady eye really pushed themselves with BE and it would have been interesting to see where there went next musically. They may have had a break after the album anyway so Andy could tour with Ride and then came back refreshed and ready to go. A missed opportunity. |
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Post by lamboasis on Sept 13, 2015 8:00:32 GMT -5
Noel is under his own independent record label, that means he got a restricted budget. They/he spent a lot in promotion for his first album and now that he reached the "Arena & festival headliner status" he's probably letting things just go their way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 8:37:07 GMT -5
Noel won't have another hit single ever again Maybe if guitar music will be mainstream again, and maybe if they reunite |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Sept 13, 2015 11:56:27 GMT -5
Maybe he won't have another #1 hit, but What a Life was pretty big and I agree that BOTMI is just as good if not better (I like it more, definitely) - would have deserved more.
On the bright side, the song, like the whole album, is fantastic.
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Post by mkoasis on Sept 13, 2015 15:53:59 GMT -5
Marketing and charts are not very important to me, but it is an absolute disgrace Noel stopped playing it live and even claimed it was boring. It sounded like an excuse not to play it since it must be a bitch to sing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 16:15:32 GMT -5
Marketing and charts are not very important to me, but it is an absolute disgrace Noel stopped playing it live and even claimed it was boring. It sounded like an excuse not to play it since it must be a bitch to sing. To me, it wasn't a highlight of the show, better than Whatever though. Same with Riverman, great songs on the album but they are not good live songs. Same thing with Falling Down |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 13, 2015 16:43:24 GMT -5
To me, it wasn't a highlight of the show, better than Whatever though. Same with Riverman, great songs on the album but they are not good live songs. Same thing with Falling Down He didn't even perform Whatever when we went to see him. My personal highlights were Do The Damage, The Mexican, The Masterplan, Champagne Supernova and Lock All The Doors. Ballad Of The Mighty I was pretty good that night, and I'm sure I appreciated it since it's my favourite but it wasn't one of those songs that got the crowd mad. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 16:48:04 GMT -5
To me, it wasn't a highlight of the show, better than Whatever though. Same with Riverman, great songs on the album but they are not good live songs. Same thing with Falling Down He didn't even perform Whatever when we went to see him. My personal highlights were Do The Damage, The Mexican, The Masterplan, Champagne Supernova and Lock All The Doors. Ballad Of The Mighty I was pretty good that night, and I'm sure I appreciated it since it's my favourite but it wasn't one of those songs that got the crowd mad. I mean that Whatever isnt that great live song either. How did it end with your mother by the way? |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 13, 2015 17:03:25 GMT -5
He didn't even perform Whatever when we went to see him. My personal highlights were Do The Damage, The Mexican, The Masterplan, Champagne Supernova and Lock All The Doors. Ballad Of The Mighty I was pretty good that night, and I'm sure I appreciated it since it's my favourite but it wasn't one of those songs that got the crowd mad. I mean that Whatever isnt that great live song either. How did it end with your mother by the way? Oh she's alive. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 13, 2015 20:26:09 GMT -5
It's a good song, but it's NOT up there with the likes of DLBIA, The Masterplan, etc.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 13, 2015 20:29:13 GMT -5
He didn't even perform Whatever when we went to see him. My personal highlights were Do The Damage, The Mexican, The Masterplan, Champagne Supernova and Lock All The Doors. Ballad Of The Mighty I was pretty good that night, and I'm sure I appreciated it since it's my favourite but it wasn't one of those songs that got the crowd mad. I mean that Whatever isnt that great live song either. How did it end with your mother by the way? Do not EVER say that Whatever isn't good live. Personally, I prefer the full band version but the emotion portrayed here is ethereal. Look how much this means to people. It's immense live. I'm sorry, but the BOTMI doesn't even come close to likewise performances and songs. |
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Post by carryusall on Sept 14, 2015 11:17:36 GMT -5
A missed opportunity to write a good song
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 14, 2015 11:25:24 GMT -5
A missed opportunity to write a good song no |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Sept 14, 2015 12:40:00 GMT -5
A missed opportunity to write a good song  |
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Sept 14, 2015 12:47:08 GMT -5
Well it's also age tbh Macca's last #1 was in 1989 FourFiveSeconds charted at #3,but Noel would have a top 5 hit too if he collaborated with Kanye and Rihanna... Well it peaked at #1 HERE. Yeah that's my point, and we wouldn't want him to do that, would we I dunno. Not with those two...but maybe with someone interesting , fresh and relevant today |
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