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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Sept 8, 2015 9:11:23 GMT -5
Jet Wintzer, the guy who claimed that Oasis, the whole Madchester Scene, the Stone Roses... only made it big because of an esoteric cult including Jimmy Page.
He's gotta be oasisblues.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 8, 2015 10:07:27 GMT -5
Jet Wintzer, the guy who claimed that Oasis, the whole Madchester Scene, the Stone Roses... only made it big because of an esoteric cult including Jimmy Page.
He's gotta be oasisblues.  There could be two of them!  |
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Post by mahsteve on Sept 8, 2015 10:46:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the video. I'm glad the real people's contribution to oasis was recognised and they were interviewed in the DM anniversary reissue in 2004. I just think being influenced by people is normal, unless your going to do a radiohead kid a type album that is completely different then songs are always going to be influenced by something from the past, especially if you're a traditional band playing guitars, bass and drums. but using elements of the real people's songs without saying anything, like on don't go away is just not cricket. There's a few videos of the Oasis/Real PEople song similarities on YT, some of the similarities are tenuous to say the least but songs like Don't Go Away clearly have a massive influence. I suppose you could argue, to paraphrase T.S. Elliot "Amateurs borrow, professionals steal" , On a side note it would have been good to have heard the NG/Amorphous Androgynous LP as it would probably be the closest thing he would get to Kid A in the latter's taking of unexpected influences like jazz, krautrock, etc. and creating a sound that was their own. Unfortunately with the mastertape wiped (allegedly) that seems unlikely. Seems incredible that Noel would wipe the master tapes deleting all that work put in by the AA and himself. Were the recordings really that bad? I find it hard to believe. I would have thought that there were legal issues involved. The AA guys must be absolutely gutted, putting all that work into the project for it to then be "deleted" so it won't be released. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 8, 2015 10:52:50 GMT -5
I don't know. If he doesn't want anyone to ever hear it, who knows what he's done with the tapes? Surely the AA themselves must have copies of the tapes as well?
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 8, 2015 10:55:56 GMT -5
I don't know. If he doesn't want anyone to ever hear it, who knows what he's done with the tapes? Surely the AA themselves must have copies of the tapes as well?THE LEAK IS IMMINENT |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 8, 2015 11:25:01 GMT -5
There's a few videos of the Oasis/Real PEople song similarities on YT, some of the similarities are tenuous to say the least but songs like Don't Go Away clearly have a massive influence. I suppose you could argue, to paraphrase T.S. Elliot "Amateurs borrow, professionals steal" , On a side note it would have been good to have heard the NG/Amorphous Androgynous LP as it would probably be the closest thing he would get to Kid A in the latter's taking of unexpected influences like jazz, krautrock, etc. and creating a sound that was their own. Unfortunately with the mastertape wiped (allegedly) that seems unlikely. Seems incredible that Noel would wipe the master tapes deleting all that work put in by the AA and himself. Were the recordings really that bad? I find it hard to believe. I would have thought that there were legal issues involved. The AA guys must be absolutely gutted, putting all that work into the project for it to then be "deleted" so it won't be released. It could be legal issues as to who owned the work, especially given that although Noel is self-financed FSOL/AA are signed to a third party label who would undoubtedly want a cut. The other side to it is fear of the unknown, this isn't the first time Noel has backed away from a non-traditional album production and has been quoted before talking about doing the bare minimum, staying in a comfort zone, etc. I agree it is a shame we won't hear it, I wish he could have learned a bit about the joy of experimentation in music from his pals Marr and Weller, just to see the results. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 8, 2015 11:28:15 GMT -5
I don't know. If he doesn't want anyone to ever hear it, who knows what he's done with the tapes? Surely the AA themselves must have copies of the tapes as well? If they did take copies, it depends where they were recording and who was paying, although hopefully they were smart enough to make copies. The hassle they would have legally would only come about if Noel sued, which wouldn't do much for his credibility, so if they have them I hope they do leak them at some point. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 8, 2015 11:30:37 GMT -5
I don't know. If he doesn't want anyone to ever hear it, who knows what he's done with the tapes? Surely the AA themselves must have copies of the tapes as well?![]() ![]()  Sorry, couldn't resist it  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 12:16:40 GMT -5
Is it true that Noel already knew that the DOYS tour was gonna be the last one?
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 8, 2015 12:28:50 GMT -5
Is it true that Noel already knew that the DOYS tour was gonna be the last one? Not sure if he knew for definite, but there are various interviews where he has talked about bad feelings within the tour, and not having the support of people which i presume doesn't mean just Liam. That said in this interview DETAILS interview he says that although he was travelling separate from the band and Liam wasn't enjoying the tour, he had no plans to leave but knew it would be a while before he made another Oasis record. It seems the reason for going according to him at least was fairly spontaneous, i.e. the backstage fight with Liam. If they could have kept it together until the tour end maybe they wouldn't have split, but who knows what a DOYS follow up and another LP after that would have sounded like? |
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Post by glider on Sept 8, 2015 16:39:49 GMT -5
Damn.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 8, 2015 16:42:01 GMT -5
From the little bits of the Real People I hear (from posts like this), I don't understand why they weren't a bigger band? Melodies are there. |
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Post by glider on Sept 8, 2015 16:43:33 GMT -5
From the little bits of the Real People I hear (from posts like this), I don't understand why they weren't a bigger band? Melodies are there. They sound like a more brash rock version of the La's, similar to how Cast was the more Britpop-ish version. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 8, 2015 16:45:04 GMT -5
From the little bits of the Real People I hear (from posts like this), I don't understand why they weren't a bigger band? Melodies are there. They sound like a more brash rock version of the La's, similar to how Cast was the more Britpop-ish version. I was literally just about to post that....They sound very much like The La's. |
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Post by glider on Sept 8, 2015 16:49:36 GMT -5
They sound like a more brash rock version of the La's, similar to how Cast was the more Britpop-ish version. I was literally just about to post that....They sound very much like The La's. What a bunch of scousers! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 17:00:20 GMT -5
I've never heard a Real People song I dislike and they do have a handful of great tunes. Window Pane is class!
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 8, 2015 17:03:46 GMT -5
I don't know,all the songs I've heard from them strike me as not bad,but not great either,they just don't do much for me
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 8, 2015 17:55:07 GMT -5
I don't know,all the songs I've heard from them strike me as not bad,but not great either,they just don't do much for me Each to their own  Maybe it's cos I'm getting old I love their music, and Shack's for that matter |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 8, 2015 18:01:43 GMT -5
From the little bits of the Real People I hear (from posts like this), I don't understand why they weren't a bigger band? Melodies are there. Usual problems that befall a band, they and the La's debuts came out around the time grunge started to explode, for The Real People the record company then decided to withhold Marshmallow Lane from release so it was getting on for six years by the time they released What's On The Outside as a follow up to the debut, and that was on a small independent label. They have had better luck running studios and as songwriters, Tony Griffiths for example wrote One by One in 1987 which Cher turned into a chart single and put on her circa million selling It's a Man's World album from 1995. The good thing is they have hung in there and continue to produce great music for themselves and other artists to this day. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 8, 2015 18:58:12 GMT -5
I don't know. If he doesn't want anyone to ever hear it, who knows what he's done with the tapes? Surely the AA themselves must have copies of the tapes as well?THE LEAK IS IMMINENT Does anyone else miss queenblougaredoc every now and then? Crazy people like her who make this forum much more fun than the average one.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 19:03:04 GMT -5
Noel used to switch his microphone with Liam's during the Dig Out Your Soul tour, this because Noel wanted to be the lead singer of Oasis. He asked Gem and Andy and they didn't agree with so Noel left the band.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 8, 2015 21:48:41 GMT -5
Liam was the lead guitarist/songwriter and Noel was the lead singer.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 8, 2015 22:17:52 GMT -5
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Sept 10, 2015 9:10:14 GMT -5
Definitely Maybe predicted the Columbia disaster in 2003. Up in the Sky, Columbia, Supersonic, Bring it on down
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Oct 21, 2015 15:35:29 GMT -5
Does anyone else miss queenblougaredoc every now and then? Crazy people like her who make this forum much more fun than the average one. Looks like the leak wont be imminent in a long time now  We need a Liam solo allboom now |
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