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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 6, 2015 6:54:51 GMT -5
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 6, 2015 7:10:56 GMT -5
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.   Although in seriousness I agree, usually because anything that ends up in a civil court case means that facts have usually been distorted by one or both parties, so the absolute truth gets lost in the mists of time. Not turning into oasisblues (shoot me if I ever do!) but it is hard for me to disagree with the Griffiths brothers when I hear those songs, and I am a fan of both bands on record and having seen them live. |
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Post by Riverman on Sept 6, 2015 11:09:54 GMT -5
Liam is the reincarnation of Lennon...even if he was alive when Liam was born!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 11:48:52 GMT -5
I think it was Noel who wrote the music and The real people and Liam wrote the lyrics. Good piece on the Realies site about them and Oasis from Mojo Magazine. If you scroll down through the article Chris replies it's true to a question on whether he and Liam wrote the lyrics to Columbia, with him doing the melody and verse, and Liam doing the chorus. He also mentions Growlin' Old/Rockin' Chair and Feel The Pain/Don't Go Away Does anybody know where I can hear Growing Old? |
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Post by mouth on Sept 6, 2015 12:35:51 GMT -5
The Real People InterviewGood piece on the Realies site about them and Oasis from Mojo Magazine. If you scroll down through the article Chris replies it's true to a question on whether he and Liam wrote the lyrics to Columbia, with him doing the melody and verse, and Liam doing the chorus. He also mentions Growlin' Old/Rockin' Chair and Feel The Pain/Don't Go Away Does anybody know where I can hear Growing Old? i've asked that questions a few times around here. I too would really like to hear that song. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 13:01:08 GMT -5
Does anybody know where I can hear Growing Old? i've asked that questions a few times around here. I too would really like to hear that song. Even Oasisblues doesn't have that song in his YouTube video about Noel stealing songs |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 6, 2015 13:04:31 GMT -5
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. The truth is on your stereo. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 6, 2015 13:32:51 GMT -5
i've asked that questions a few times around here. I too would really like to hear that song. Even Oasisblues doesn't have that song in his YouTube video about Noel stealing songs As far as I know it remains an unreleased demo. It's possible as part of their settlement for Rockin' Chair that the demo has to remain unreleased after Chris Griffiths got a writing credit and 10% of the publishing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 6:04:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 9:58:13 GMT -5
About Guigs not playing any bass on DM: I don't believe that. He was there for the entire album sessions, I'm sure I've seen photos of him in the studio playing bass. They must have at least recorded some stuff with him, can't imagine him just being in the studio for all those weeks not doing anything. And he played all the songs live pretty much spot on to the record as well. I'm thinking maybe Noel recorded some of the bass parts, perhaps a majority but I don't think it's likely he recorded them all.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 7, 2015 9:59:46 GMT -5
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Ever heard of wiping tapes?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 10:06:49 GMT -5
^ Ever heard of wiping tapes? Like Noel did with the Amorphous Androgynous master? |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 7, 2015 10:29:00 GMT -5
^ Ever heard of wiping tapes? Like Noel did with the Amorphous Androgynous master? Using examples is the best way to convey a message! |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 7, 2015 11:32:02 GMT -5
About Guigs not playing any bass on DM: I don't believe that. He was there for the entire album sessions, I'm sure I've seen photos of him in the studio playing bass. They must have at least recorded some stuff with him, can't imagine him just being in the studio for all those weeks not doing anything. And he played all the songs live pretty much spot on to the record as well. I'm thinking maybe Noel recorded some of the bass parts, perhaps a majority but I don't think it's likely he recorded them all. Well Sid Vicious was the Sex Pistols bassist as far as most people are concerned, although Steve Jones and (possibly depending on who you believe) Glen Matlock actually played the parts- But like Guigs to early Oasis Sid was vital to the Pistol's image. So I don't believe given the various recording information and recollections that he did play on the record, but that doesn't matter. To paraphrase a Beatles quote Guigs wasn't the best bassist in the world, he wasn't even the best bassist in Oasis- but he WAS the bassist in Oasis as far as the image given said and the public knew, and that's what mattered. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 7, 2015 12:55:13 GMT -5
That Beatles quote you're referring to doesn't actually exist!
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 7, 2015 13:03:44 GMT -5
That Beatles quote you're referring to doesn't actually exist! Yeah I know Lennon didn't say it, but neither did half of Noel Gallagher's stories exist in reality and it would be a lot poorer as a band story without them. Mythology can make a band....For the record that quote actually came from Jasper Carrott in 1983 BBC Magazine (No. 2) |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 7, 2015 16:15:07 GMT -5
Beadyblues^^^^ In keeping with the subject has our resident "Only one man is evil enough to rip off songs in a way noone, NOONE d'ya hear??!! else has" type nutter have multiple YT accounts?
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Post by mahsteve on Sept 7, 2015 16:38:28 GMT -5
Beadyblues^^^^ In keeping with the subject has our resident "Only one man is evil enough to rip off songs in a way noone, NOONE d'ya hear??!! else has" type nutter have multiple YT accounts? Just had a watch of the video, I've seen it before. Obviously Noel is influenced by other artists, it's all quite normal stuff, Noel gets critisied but no one ever mentions radiohead karma police and the Beatles sexy Sadie. The only i would question is why has Noel lifted the don't go away bit directly from the real people like that? Don't mean to be controversial or start an argument all over again. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 7, 2015 16:42:16 GMT -5
Beadyblues^^^^ In keeping with the subject has our resident "Only one man is evil enough to rip off songs in a way noone, NOONE d'ya hear??!! else has" type nutter have multiple YT accounts? Just had a watch of the video, I've seen it before. Obviously Noel is influenced by other artists, it's all quite normal stuff, Noel gets critisied but no one ever mentions radiohead karma police and the Beatles sexy Sadie. The only i would question is why has Noel lifted the don't go away bit directly from the real people like that? Don't mean to be controversial or start an argument all over again. Yeah I caught it earlier, just assumed it was oasisblues under a different name. I think Noel was picked up on these as Marcus Russell once said because he wrote albums that broke 10 and 20 million copies worldwide- i.e. potentially a money spinner for a claimant and target for those aggrieved they or *insert obscure (usually with good reason) artist here* didn't make it to those sort of heights. Talking of Sexy Sadie ripoffs, remember these? |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 7, 2015 16:42:48 GMT -5
Beadyblues^^^^ In keeping with the subject has our resident "Only one man is evil enough to rip off songs in a way noone, NOONE d'ya hear??!! else has" type nutter have multiple YT accounts? I know about three,Beadyblues,Oasisblues and another one which name I can't remember now Btw if you read old articles on his website,I was a Noel arse-licker before the Oasis split |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 7, 2015 16:48:47 GMT -5
Beadyblues^^^^ In keeping with the subject has our resident "Only one man is evil enough to rip off songs in a way noone, NOONE d'ya hear??!! else has" type nutter have multiple YT accounts? I know about three,Beadyblues,Oasisblues and another one which name I can't remember now Btw if you read old articles on his website,I was a Noel arse-licker before the Oasis split I just stand in awe of the dedication to such matters, in a world of media manipulation, mass hysteria, war, famine, refugees dying to escape persecution, etc. he takes the trouble to own and operate a website and multiple third party website accounts dedicated to exposing the evil of a bloke from Manchester whose crime is nicking songs  Not condoning Noel but for me in his defence he isn't the first and he has paid royalties from settlements when caught out and pursued, and more importantly for me there really are bigger issues to get riled about. |
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Post by mahsteve on Sept 7, 2015 16:55:16 GMT -5
Just had a watch of the video, I've seen it before. Obviously Noel is influenced by other artists, it's all quite normal stuff, Noel gets critisied but no one ever mentions radiohead karma police and the Beatles sexy Sadie. The only i would question is why has Noel lifted the don't go away bit directly from the real people like that? Don't mean to be controversial or start an argument all over again. Yeah I caught it earlier, just assumed it was oasisblues under a different name. I think Noel was picked up on these as Marcus Russell once said because he wrote albums that broke 10 and 20 million copies worldwide- i.e. potentially a money spinner for a claimant and target for those aggrieved they or *insert obscure (usually with good reason) artist here* didn't make it to those sort of heights. Talking of Sexy Sadie ripoffs, remember these? The only other bit I was going to add was Noel has been open and honest explaining his influences and usually explains were his ideas have come from but regarding don't go away, there is no mention of the real people. Fair play he did sort out royalties or some sort of payment for rockin chair tho |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 7, 2015 17:11:18 GMT -5
Yeah I caught it earlier, just assumed it was oasisblues under a different name. I think Noel was picked up on these as Marcus Russell once said because he wrote albums that broke 10 and 20 million copies worldwide- i.e. potentially a money spinner for a claimant and target for those aggrieved they or *insert obscure (usually with good reason) artist here* didn't make it to those sort of heights. Talking of Sexy Sadie ripoffs, remember these? The only other bit I was going to add was Noel has been open and honest explaining his influences and usually explains were his ideas have come from but regarding don't go away, there is no mention of the real people. Fair play he did sort out royalties or some sort of payment for rockin chair tho I would guess that is either bitterness from the stories that have come out and resulting settlements, or perhaps even a denial in his mind as to how much the Griffiths brothers contributed- I would argue they helped immensely, but who knows what Noel thinks really, other than Noel? Quite telling piece was the 2003 OCS best of when the band were asked in the documentary about meeting Oasis they were at pains to say that they knew The Real People before they met Oasis, and always played songs from the "What's On the Outside" LP before going onstage. Bit from the Realies (prob seen before) |
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Post by mahsteve on Sept 8, 2015 3:35:25 GMT -5
The only other bit I was going to add was Noel has been open and honest explaining his influences and usually explains were his ideas have come from but regarding don't go away, there is no mention of the real people. Fair play he did sort out royalties or some sort of payment for rockin chair tho I would guess that is either bitterness from the stories that have come out and resulting settlements, or perhaps even a denial in his mind as to how much the Griffiths brothers contributed- I would argue they helped immensely, but who knows what Noel thinks really, other than Noel? Quite telling piece was the 2003 OCS best of when the band were asked in the documentary about meeting Oasis they were at pains to say that they knew The Real People before they met Oasis, and always played songs from the "What's On the Outside" LP before going onstage. Bit from the Realies (prob seen before) Thanks for the video. I'm glad the real people's contribution to oasis was recognised and they were interviewed in the DM anniversary reissue in 2004. I just think being influenced by people is normal, unless your going to do a radiohead kid a type album that is completely different then songs are always going to be influenced by something from the past, especially if you're a traditional band playing guitars, bass and drums. but using elements of the real people's songs without saying anything, like on don't go away is just not cricket. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 8, 2015 8:12:16 GMT -5
I would guess that is either bitterness from the stories that have come out and resulting settlements, or perhaps even a denial in his mind as to how much the Griffiths brothers contributed- I would argue they helped immensely, but who knows what Noel thinks really, other than Noel? Quite telling piece was the 2003 OCS best of when the band were asked in the documentary about meeting Oasis they were at pains to say that they knew The Real People before they met Oasis, and always played songs from the "What's On the Outside" LP before going onstage. Bit from the Realies (prob seen before) Thanks for the video. I'm glad the real people's contribution to oasis was recognised and they were interviewed in the DM anniversary reissue in 2004. I just think being influenced by people is normal, unless your going to do a radiohead kid a type album that is completely different then songs are always going to be influenced by something from the past, especially if you're a traditional band playing guitars, bass and drums. but using elements of the real people's songs without saying anything, like on don't go away is just not cricket. There's a few videos of the Oasis/Real PEople song similarities on YT, some of the similarities are tenuous to say the least but songs like Don't Go Away clearly have a massive influence. I suppose you could argue, to paraphrase T.S. Elliot "Amateurs borrow, professionals steal" , On a side note it would have been good to have heard the NG/Amorphous Androgynous LP as it would probably be the closest thing he would get to Kid A in the latter's taking of unexpected influences like jazz, krautrock, etc. and creating a sound that was their own. Unfortunately with the mastertape wiped (allegedly) that seems unlikely. |
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Although in seriousness I agree, usually because anything that ends up in a civil court case means that facts have usually been distorted by one or both parties, so the absolute truth gets lost in the mists of time.
