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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 15, 2019 22:08:49 GMT -5
Could this finally be the more stripped back and acoustic themed campion album made concurrently with Mylo? I know it was ditched but maybe they still like the idea of a laid back, stripped down, old world type album. Personally I’d like it to be a mix between Viva, Prospekts and The Goldrush b-side.
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Post by glider on Oct 15, 2019 22:13:21 GMT -5
They have a rumored Daft Punk collaboration as part of this release. Could be some great stuff.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 15, 2019 22:26:32 GMT -5
Could this finally be the more stripped back and acoustic themed campion album made concurrently with Mylo? I know it was ditched but maybe they still like the idea of a laid back, stripped down, old world type album. Personally I’d like it to be a mix between Viva, Prospekts and The Goldrush b-side. |
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Post by glider on Oct 15, 2019 22:40:14 GMT -5
Could this finally be the more stripped back and acoustic themed campion album made concurrently with Mylo? I know it was ditched but maybe they still like the idea of a laid back, stripped down, old world type album. Personally I’d like it to be a mix between Viva, Prospekts and The Goldrush b-side. Absolutely agree with this and tired of people wanting stripped back albums. Leave the acoustics for EPs, and have the LPs pushing the boundaries. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 15, 2019 23:08:17 GMT -5
Could this finally be the more stripped back and acoustic themed campion album made concurrently with Mylo? I know it was ditched but maybe they still like the idea of a laid back, stripped down, old world type album. Personally I’d like it to be a mix between Viva, Prospekts and The Goldrush b-side. They been releasing lackluster albums since 2011. I wouldn’t say all ambition has suited them. They hit a home run with Viva but that was 11 years ago. Id flush this current version of the band down the toilet for the classic 2001-2003 band. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 15, 2019 23:22:06 GMT -5
I hope not. Coldplay suit ambition much more than they do simplicity, for me. I'm hoping they pick up where they left off from the Eno era, combining pop melodies with artsy influences, and with a whole load of fantastic instrumentals. Plus, everything people have been saying about Fool's Gold points to it being an eclectic album. Banjos on the lead single, tempo similar to Hurts Like Heaven, and Daft Punk on the track Mission Abort. Let's have some art-pop! I wouldn’t say all experimenting has suited them. Diagnosing the issue with Coldplay post-Ghost-Stories as being the experimentation is like saying that the flaw of Oasis was their commitment to cutting-edge rock 'n' roll. The creative peak of Coldplay is 2007-2012 because they became experimental, balancing their nature as a pop band with diverse musical tastes, bringing in elements of ambience, world, shoegaze, baroque, electro, and RnB. They became an art-pop band, and that's where they shine. Not when the instrumentals are limited to a single sound, but when Chris is allowed to write Top 40 melodies, and the band get to fly free into the musical sky. I'd take a return to that over the fabled "stripped-back, acoustic" album that people seem to want from every artist in the world who doesn't sound like their debut. Like Noel Gallagher, Coldplay need a producer. Not to strip them back, but to push them forward. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 15, 2019 23:36:20 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say all experimenting has suited them. Diagnosing the problem with Coldplay post-Ghost-Stories as being the experimentation is like saying that the flaw of Oasis was their commitment to raucous, passionate rock 'n' roll. The peak of Coldplay is 2007-2012 precisely because they became experimental, balancing their nature as a pop band with their diverse musical tastes, bringing in elements of ambience, world music, shoegaze, baroque, and prog-rock. They became an art-pop band, and that's where they shine. When Chris is allowed to write Top 40 tunes, and the band get to fly free into the musical sky. I'd take a return to that over the fabled "stripped-back, acoustic" album that people seem to want from every artist in the world who doesn't sound like their debut. As someone who traveled and grew with them in real time, their peak was way before 2007. Viva was a high moment, something they had been working towards since the beginning but everything after that is so so. I also didn’t say anything about a fabled striped back album. I simply brought back the idea of them reviving an older project that almost happened in 2011. Two albums. One more stripped back and featuring old world instruments and a futuristic album. Based on the current rumors it reminds me of those times back in 2010-2011. Also just because a song or album only features guitar, drums, bass and piano doesn’t mean it’s less sophisticated or meaningful. You tend to do a lot of revisionist history with Coldplay and dismiss their earlier work. You often praise Eno but you also never shine light on Markus Dravs who equally helped shape so many of the songs and sounds you enjoy during their “peak” years. Pop star Coldplay has never been my Coldplay. That is not the band I feel In love with in 2000. Cherishing their 2002 output. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 15, 2019 23:56:18 GMT -5
Diagnosing the problem with Coldplay post-Ghost-Stories as being the experimentation is like saying that the flaw of Oasis was their commitment to raucous, passionate rock 'n' roll. The peak of Coldplay is 2007-2012 precisely because they became experimental, balancing their nature as a pop band with their diverse musical tastes, bringing in elements of ambience, world music, shoegaze, baroque, and prog-rock. They became an art-pop band, and that's where they shine. When Chris is allowed to write Top 40 tunes, and the band get to fly free into the musical sky. I'd take a return to that over the fabled "stripped-back, acoustic" album that people seem to want from every artist in the world who doesn't sound like their debut. As someone who traveled and grew with them in real time, their peak was way before 2007. You tend to do a lot of revisionist history with Coldplay and dismiss their earlier work. You often praise Eno but you also never shine light on Markus Dravs who equally helped shape so many of the songs and sounds you enjoy during their “peak” years. Coldplay were amazing from 2000-2003. I've never suggested otherwise, not once. Parachutes and A Rush of Blood to the Head are two of the best indie-pop albums you're gonna hear. Viva la Vida and Mylo Xyloto are, to me, better. And for the most part that's not because of Markus, fantastic producer though he is, but because of Brian Eno. He told them to shorten the songs, to ditch the piano ballads, to up the tempo, to become more conceptual. He forced the vibrance to their sound that allowed them to make tracks like 42 or Major Minus, Cemeteries of London or Up With the Birds, and that's when they peaked creatively, certainly for me. That doesn't mean I don't think organic, direct rock music can't be sophisticated. It means I think that a more ambitious sound suits this band in particular more. Simple. The thing with Coldplay is that your background taste will inform an awful lot of the takes you have on them. On a rock-based forum like this, it's probably blasphemy to express my opinion that Viva-Mylo-Ghost is a better trilogy than their first three, but just the other day on a pop-based forum it was Parachutes that was being dissed as overly-indebted to it's influences, and Ghost Stories that was being praised as a tasteful Coldplay-twist on the ambient-pop sounds they were going for. The only narrative that music fans of all backgrounds seem to agree on is that A Head Full of Dreams is their weakest. Is that because of the incorporation of new sounds, or because there wasn't an Eno figure pushing them to use those sounds creatively? I know what my answer would be. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 16, 2019 0:07:31 GMT -5
As someone who traveled and grew with them in real time, their peak was way before 2007. You tend to do a lot of revisionist history with Coldplay and dismiss their earlier work. You often praise Eno but you also never shine light on Markus Dravs who equally helped shape so many of the songs and sounds you enjoy during their “peak” years. Coldplay were amazing from 2000-2003. I've never suggested otherwise, not once. Parachutes and A Rush of Blood to the Head are two of the best indie-pop albums you're gonna hear. Viva la Vida and Mylo Xyloto are, to me, better. And for the most part that's not because of Markus, fantastic producer though he is, but because of Brian Eno. He told them to shorten the songs, to ditch the piano ballads, to up the tempo, to become more conceptual. He forced the vibrance to their sound that allowed them to make tracks like 42 or Major Minus, Cemeteries of London or Up With the Birds, and that's when they peaked creatively, certainly for me. That doesn't mean I don't think organic, direct rock music can't be sophisticated. It means I think that a more ambitious sound suits this band in particular more. Simple. The thing with Coldplay is that your background taste will inform an awful lot of the takes you have on them. On a rock-based forum like this, it's probably blasphemy to express my opinion that Viva-Mylo-Ghost is a better trilogy than their first three, but just the other day on a pop-based forum it was Parachutes that was being dissed as overly-indebted to it's influences, and Ghost Stories that was being praised as a tasteful Coldplay-twist on the ambient-pop sounds they were going for. The only narrative that music fans of all backgrounds seem to agree on is that A Head Full of Dreams is their weakest. Is that because of of the new sounds, or because there wasn't an Eno figure to push them to use those sounds creatively? I know what my answer would be. Brian Eno isn’t the be all, end all. The dude is 71. Even during Viva he was 60. He’s not in his peak. Far far from it. Coldplay were writing better tunes back in the day. It’s been so bland the last 6-8 years. Generic pop. Lifestyle music. For me everything since Viva is uneven. Couple good tunes but half throwaway. Just like Oasis post 2000. Dravs had no issues pushing Arcade Fire to further develop their sound and concepts. Did an amazing job. He’s under looked for his Coldplay work because Eno gets the headlines. Just as important on Viva. Id like to hear Coldplay’s version of a Neon Bible. That to me is combining old world sounds and music into an album. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 16, 2019 0:15:26 GMT -5
Coldplay were amazing from 2000-2003. I've never suggested otherwise, not once. Parachutes and A Rush of Blood to the Head are two of the best indie-pop albums you're gonna hear. Viva la Vida and Mylo Xyloto are, to me, better. And for the most part that's not because of Markus, fantastic producer though he is, but because of Brian Eno. He told them to shorten the songs, to ditch the piano ballads, to up the tempo, to become more conceptual. He forced the vibrance to their sound that allowed them to make tracks like 42 or Major Minus, Cemeteries of London or Up With the Birds, and that's when they peaked creatively, certainly for me. That doesn't mean I don't think organic, direct rock music can't be sophisticated. It means I think that a more ambitious sound suits this band in particular more. Simple. The thing with Coldplay is that your background taste will inform an awful lot of the takes you have on them. On a rock-based forum like this, it's probably blasphemy to express my opinion that Viva-Mylo-Ghost is a better trilogy than their first three, but just the other day on a pop-based forum it was Parachutes that was being dissed as overly-indebted to it's influences, and Ghost Stories that was being praised as a tasteful Coldplay-twist on the ambient-pop sounds they were going for. The only narrative that music fans of all backgrounds seem to agree on is that A Head Full of Dreams is their weakest. Is that because of of the new sounds, or because there wasn't an Eno figure to push them to use those sounds creatively? I know what my answer would be. He’s not in his peak. For me everything since Viva is uneven. Couple good tunes but half throwaway. Just like Oasis post 2000. Id like to hear Coldplay’s version of a Neon Bible. That to me is combing old world sounds and music into an album. One of the more bizarre arguments I've read about a music producer. Anyway, it's a shame you don't enjoy Mylo and Ghost Stories as much as I do, but like I say, I think people's taste for those records often depends on their taste for more chart-pop flavoured sounds in general, rather than the quality of the projects themselves. It's cool if you dislike them. It's also great that you appreciate Markus, I agree that he's a fantastic producer. And Coldplay's Neon Bible would definitely be something I'd like to hear. Viva definitely had some Arcade Fire influences, and it'd be great to recapture those but push them in a darker direction. I don't think that's gonna happen here though. I get the feeling we're getting something eclectic, poppy, and different from them. I'm predicting The Goldrush mixed with Adventure of a Lifetime. We'll see. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 16, 2019 0:24:40 GMT -5
Brian Eno isn’t the be all, end all. The dude is 71. Even during Viva he was 60. He’s not in his peak. For me everything since Viva is uneven. Couple good tunes but half throwaway. Just like Oasis post 2000. Id like to hear Coldplay’s version of a Neon Bible. That to me is combing old world sounds and music into an album. One of the more bizarre arguments I've read about a music producer. Anyway, it's a shame you don't enjoy Mylo and Ghost Stories as much as I do, but like I say, I think people's taste for those records often depends on their taste for more chart-pop flavoured sounds in general, rather than the quality of the projects themselves. It's cool if you dislike them. It's also great that you appreciate Markus, I agree that he's a fantastic producer. And Coldplay's Neon Bible would definitely be something I'd like to hear. Viva definitely had some Arcade Fire influences, and it'd be great to recapture those but push them in a darker direction. I don't think that's gonna happen here though. I get the feeling we're getting something eclectic, poppy, and different from them. I'm predicting The Goldrush mixed with Adventure of a Lifetime. We'll see. The Eno point is he isn’t in his prime and shouldn’t be viewed as some musical messiah in 2019. His peak was 18-20 years earlier (Bowie, Talking Heads, U2) than Viva as a producer. When Coldplay go pop they tend to push it too far, and it gets too sweet and heavy handed. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 16, 2019 0:37:44 GMT -5
It's interesting, the variety of opinions you get on Coldplay albums. So much depends on what era of music you grew up in, what your general taste is, what you fundamentally want from them as a band. Go on their sub-reddit, for instance, which is filled with popheads, and Ghost Stories is the second most loved album after Viva. Come to an rock-based forum like this, and it wouldn't even get a look-in over the organic sounds and more mysterious songwriting of their first two records.
I think for most of their albums, your appreciation of it comes down to your taste for the vision, rather than the quality of it's execution. After all, if you want a band to make a colourful, maximalist, chart-pop album, you couldn't ask for much better than Mylo Xyloto. If you want a melancholy, direct, indie record, then A Rush of Blood to the Head takes some beating. The only exceptions are X&Y and A Head Full of Dreams. People of all stripes generally agree on the narrative of those albums being mis-steps, because those are the times where the execution itself was poor. X&Y is sanctimonious in it's attempt to be relatable, A Head Full of Dreams is saccharine when it wants to be uplifting. The question for LP8, though, is which kind of Coldplay fan will it be attempting to please?
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Post by glider on Oct 16, 2019 10:59:14 GMT -5
I agree with both of you guys' points. While I my favorite era for them is 1999-2003, their peak was 2008 with Viva. They went into a more pop direction while keeping it eclectic, unorthodox and fascinating alongside an esteemed producer.
I've consistently said that Coldplay is our generation's U2. They sell out all the stadiums, they are a stadium 'rock' band, no matter how pop they get. They're the last popular organic rock band on the planet where the members write the songs together, but even that has been in danger with the Chainsmokers and Big Sean collaboration which if anything seems like Chris just collaborating.
Coldplay had reached a point with Viva where it could've have been thought it was their Achtung, Baby and the 2010s was going to be their experimentation period. This sadly didn't happen but the window hasn't closed just yet. With the sign of the times and the cultural shift of pop music today, it's time for them to take off the safety gear and reactivate their creative gene. No need to go back to their old sound, but no need to stay safe with Ariana Grande collaborations - push boundaries again.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 16, 2019 11:11:40 GMT -5
I agree with both of you guys' points. While I my favorite era for them is 1999-2003, their peak was 2008 with Viva. They went into a more pop direction while keeping it eclectic, unorthodox and fascinating alongside an esteemed producer. I've consistently said that Coldplay is our generation's U2. They sell out all the stadiums, they are a stadium 'rock' band, no matter how pop they get. They're the last popular organic rock band on the planet where the members write the songs together, but even that has been in danger with the Chainsmokers and Big Sean collaboration which if anything seems like Chris just collaborating. Coldplay had reached a point with Viva where it could've have been thought it was their Achtung, Baby and the 2010s was going to be their experimentation period. This sadly didn't happen but the window hasn't closed just yet. With the sign of the times and the cultural shift of pop music today, it's time for them to take off the safety gear and reactivate their creative gene. No need to go back to their old sound, but no need to stay safe with Ariana Grande collaborations - push boundaries again. If anything they might be working with too many producers all the time. Every album seems a mixed bag of folks. Ken Nelson was pretty much solo for Parachutes, Blood and XY. Then you got Eno/Dravs for Viva. Followed by Dravs/Rik Simpson on Mylo, then Daniel Green/Rik Simpson/Paul Epworth on Ghost and lastly Rik Simpson and Stargate on Head Full. Would like to see them go with one person fully. Flesh it out that way. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 16, 2019 17:44:03 GMT -5
Many of their YouTube thumbnails have been turned to black-and-white, with a sun or moon emoji in the description. And as World71R said, there was a massive eclipse on November 22nd 1919. We're getting something...astronomy-themed?  |
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Post by glider on Oct 16, 2019 19:20:52 GMT -5
The black and white thumbnails from what I found:
Paradise
The Scientist
Yellow
Up&Up
Violet Hill
Life In Technicolor II
The Hardest Part
A.L.I.E.N.S
Some thumbnails were always black and white and don't have the lunar icons.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 16, 2019 19:30:19 GMT -5
Well at 12 am Thursday night we will know what’s up.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 16, 2019 19:46:12 GMT -5
The black and white thumbnails from what I found: Paradise The Scientist Yellow Up&Up Violet Hill Life In Technicolor II The Hardest Part A.L.I.E.N.S Some thumbnails were always black and white and don't have the lunar icons. One from each album/EP except Ghost Stories? But then the Magic video is already black-and-white... Apparently the time of all these songs added up is 42 minutes, with 42 being the band's favourite number. The Fool's Gold tracklist has been debunked, by the way. No Daft Punk on LP8. Shame, I quite liked Mission Abort as a song title. People are now calling the album "New Moon" due to the eclipse theme and the moon-sun emojis. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 16, 2019 20:05:41 GMT -5
The black and white thumbnails from what I found: Paradise The Scientist Yellow Up&Up Violet Hill Life In Technicolor II The Hardest Part A.L.I.E.N.S Some thumbnails were always black and white and don't have the lunar icons. One from each album/EP except Ghost Stories? But then the Magic video is already black-and-white... The Fool's Gold tracklist has been debunked, by the way. No Daft Punk on LP8. Shame, I quite liked Mission Abort as a song title. People are now calling the album "Moonshine" due to the eclipse theme and the moon-sun emojis. Never bought the daft punk rumor. That seemed like it would be for their second album next year. Not this upcoming release that feels like it might embrace sounds and instruments from 100 years ago. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 16, 2019 20:08:23 GMT -5
 This image has been found on their website, labelled "moon waning gibbous". Seven in black and white, eighth one shining. To represent their albums? Who Built the Moon, Chris?! Also, it seems that the songs that have been monochromed were released as singles on days when there was a change in the lunar phase. We'll see. And to be clear, we only have rumours to suggest that the two-albums idea is happening either. Chinese (sleep chant) whispers. |
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Post by glider on Oct 16, 2019 20:57:32 GMT -5
I'm hoping this isn't a massive tease for a greatest hits collection.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 16, 2019 22:30:01 GMT -5
I'm hoping this isn't a massive tease for a greatest hits collection. Nah. They would promote that like this. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 17, 2019 0:33:50 GMT -5
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 17, 2019 5:20:21 GMT -5
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Post by clueso on Oct 17, 2019 6:42:56 GMT -5
If we get vibes like from:
All i can think about is you
Aliens
Major Minus
Violet Hill
Cemeteries of London
Talk
...i would be highly satisfied
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