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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 4, 2019 9:55:49 GMT -5
imo Viva la vida was/is/will always be Coldplay's rise peak and fall.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 4, 2019 10:00:40 GMT -5
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Post by glider on Jun 4, 2019 14:29:38 GMT -5
Chris Martin lost all creditability when he replaced his creative inspirations Michael Stipe, Thom Yorke and PJ Harvey with Beyonce, Rihanna and Tove Lo.
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 4, 2019 14:37:55 GMT -5
Chris Martin lost all creditability when he replaced his creative inspirations Michael Stipe, Thom Yorke and PJ Harvey with Beyonce, Rihanna and Tove Lo. Why? Beyonce and Rihanna are both iconic, massive, acclaimed artists. I agree that they don't fit Martin's style of writing, or indeed a four-piece band, but you don't "lose all credibility" for being creatively inspired by them. I don't see why this forum has such a hate-boner for pop music.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 14:39:02 GMT -5
whatever I think of coldplay now, I still think the last couple of minutes of this song is one of the greatest pieces of music created. Its fucking deep.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 4, 2019 17:00:50 GMT -5
Chris Martin lost all creditability when he replaced his creative inspirations Michael Stipe, Thom Yorke and PJ Harvey with Beyonce, Rihanna and Tove Lo.
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Post by matt on Jun 4, 2019 17:35:55 GMT -5
Coldplay post-Viva La Vida? Just not my cup of tea, despite a smattering of tunes here and there on each album that I very much enjoy. The offensive stuff though is the really lightweight tripe like Everglow and Amazing Day as opposed to the collaborations with Beyoncé, Rihanna and co which, although I don’t listen to, I get why they appeal. I see so many people enjoying it with their big RnB influenced hooks and modern production techniques.
I don’t think Chris Martin is selling out though with his penchant for mainstream pop music. This is a guy who stated earlier in the 2000s that he aspired for his band to be like N-Sync before they had a record deal. He also wrote songs for numerous mainstream pop stars back in the day for Jamelia, Natalie Imbruglia, etc when he was very much in that ‘mellow alt rocker’ phase in the early 2000s.
The guy simply has a very diverse music taste and influences, more than myself for sure which is why I can’t listen to the later stuff. That eclecticism though is probably what enables him to stay at the top of the charts after all these years as opposed to U2, whose latching on to trends of which they know little about or have little passion for in these last ten years is, in my opinion, very contrived and inauthentic - and people can tell when they listen and nobody is being fooled. But for Chris Martin, all this is natural to him with a genuine enthusiasm for pop music that is translated with ease in the current songs he writes. He’s really able to tap into what younger people want because he loves it himself. So I don’t doubt the sincerity that he absolutely loves the music he writes these days and the influences behind these songs.
Again, not my cup of tea, and it’s not what made me love his music, but he’s moved on and I’ve moved on. He’s just catering for a different audience now who incidentally love his tunes - albeit different ones - from the ones l did over a decade ago.
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Post by lahaine on Jun 5, 2019 2:39:47 GMT -5
I was a huge huge huge fan of theirs between June 2000 and probably to the end of 2011 when I began to feel like the band I fell in love with when I graduated high school was no longer the same identity anymore. We grew together but then we grew apart. Lyrically, thematically and tonally. If you told me in day November 2000 or August 2002 that Coldplay would become this Hollywood band dating movie stars, collaborating with Top 10 artists globally and wearing bright colors id have said you are full of shit. They were once a wanna be Radiohead/Travis/Bunnymen hybrid meets Jeff Buckley. I don’t even know what the fuck they are now??? Maroon 5 meets Timberlake??? Their image in America in the early 2000s was dark, moody, sad and almost suicidal as the media would claim. It’s been a real 180. This same chain of events has also happened for me with Kings of Leon and Kasabian. I think chris martin is a pretty genuine bloke, I can't really criticism him. He seems pretty harmless. saying that I think he has a fairly big urge to fit in and just be liked and because of that, I reckon he probably didnt like the comments that coldplay was a depressing band and almost went right back the other way and made it all colourful and happy. even the stage is covered in cheery colours. Its like chris is trying so hard to wipe away that moody image they were once criticized for. I believe he even made a comment not long ago that was weird, something like he was accepting that not everyone was going to like his music so just does what wants......but in many ways the music he is producing is the safest it ever has been, its very commercial and seemingly created to appeal to as many as possible. That's the problem really isn't it. The most interesting bands out there, don't give two fucks really about what people think of them and their music and just don't think Coldplay have that stance. I also think Martin and co want to keep ahead and make music and work with pop and dance stars who keep them current with todays market. In doing that makes them less interesting and they have turned into the "Boring" tag the early haters gave them unfairly in fact but now it's basically the truth. It's working for them but they must have lost a good portion of their early fanbase.
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Post by lahaine on Jun 5, 2019 2:43:45 GMT -5
Chris Martin lost all creditability when he replaced his creative inspirations Michael Stipe, Thom Yorke and PJ Harvey with Beyonce, Rihanna and Tove Lo. That A Sky Full of Stars song was the moment I knew we weren't going to get that first 4 album's Coldplay anymore. They will be that band if they continue on the way they are going even their first 4 album's won't save them from been a joke. Funny that Noel Gallagher end up appearing on their worse album.
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Post by glider on Jun 5, 2019 4:43:40 GMT -5
Chris Martin lost all creditability when he replaced his creative inspirations Michael Stipe, Thom Yorke and PJ Harvey with Beyonce, Rihanna and Tove Lo. Why? Because he is leagues ahead of them in talent. They should want HIS songs. Modern Coldplay hit the wall of post-Pop U2 - subjugate itself to pleasing a steady audience of elevator pop fandom instead of maintaining pure creative freedom. Nothing musically nor artistically satiating in Hymn For the Weekend or Fun.
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Post by glider on Jun 5, 2019 4:57:04 GMT -5
Coldplay post-Viva La Vida? Just not my cup of tea, despite a smattering of tunes here and there on each album that I very much enjoy. The offensive stuff though is the really lightweight tripe like Everglow and Amazing Day as opposed to the collaborations with Beyoncé, Rihanna and co which, although I don’t listen to, I get why they appeal. I see so many people enjoying it with their big RnB influenced hooks and modern production techniques. I don’t think Chris Martin is selling out though with his penchant for mainstream pop music. This is a guy who stated earlier in the 2000s that he aspired for his band to be like N-Sync before they had a record deal. He also wrote songs for numerous mainstream pop stars back in the day for Jamelia, Natalie Imbruglia, etc when he was very much in that ‘mellow alt rocker’ phase in the early 2000s. The guy simply has a very diverse music taste and influences, more than myself for sure which is why I can’t listen to the later stuff. That eclecticism though is probably what enables him to stay at the top of the charts after all these years as opposed to U2, whose latching on to trends of which they know little about or have little passion for in these last ten years is, in my opinion, very contrived and inauthentic - and people can tell when they listen and nobody is being fooled. But for Chris Martin, all this is natural to him with a genuine enthusiasm for pop music that is translated with ease in the current songs he writes. He’s really able to tap into what younger people want because he loves it himself. So I don’t doubt the sincerity that he absolutely loves the music he writes these days and the influences behind these songs. Again, not my cup of tea, and it’s not what made me love his music, but he’s moved on and I’ve moved on. He’s just catering for a different audience now who incidentally love his tunes - albeit different ones - from the ones l did over a decade ago. The band has achieved as much success as any band could at this point. They literally are current U2 yet in their late 30s-early 40s. Wont need another album to prove themselves, a large enough catalog to play to stadiums that the audiences alone can sing for them collectively, universally praised and adored worldwide with no controversies. Chris and co. are set for life and don't need to try ever again.
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 5, 2019 5:28:53 GMT -5
Because he is leagues ahead of them in talent. They should want HIS songs. Modern Coldplay hit the wall of post-Pop U2 - subjugate itself to pleasing a steady audience of elevator pop fandom instead of maintaining pure creative freedom. Nothing musically nor artistically satiating in Hymn For the Weekend or Fun. I think a lot of people on this forum have preconceived notions about what making chart-pop music must mean. Selling out, branding, talentless, whatever. The fact is that Rihanna is the single biggest artist of this century so far, it's most iconic vocalist, plus her last album was critically acclaimed. Beyonce has remained one of the most popular figures in music for two decades, and probably has a fanbase matched in strength only by Kanye or Adele. Now, I personally agree that Martin is more talented than both of them, but acting as if it's embarrassing to work with them or take inspiration from them is just silly. Once again, A Head Full of Dreams is Chris with pure artistic freedom. This is what he wants to make, this is his vision for Coldplay. He's not obliged to want to make the kind of music AROBTTH fans like, and to him (and the billions of people who've watched the YouTube video), Hymn for the Weekend is a good song that he's happy to make. Okay, you might not like it, you might not like dancey chart-pop as a whole, but that doesn't mean this is all some personality trait where Chris was bullied at school and feels the need to fit in and secretly hates the music he's making. The man just likes pop. And he's pretty good at it, even if I personally prefer their art-pop Viva/Mylo style.
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Post by glider on Jun 5, 2019 5:51:15 GMT -5
Because he is leagues ahead of them in talent. They should want HIS songs. Modern Coldplay hit the wall of post-Pop U2 - subjugate itself to pleasing a steady audience of elevator pop fandom instead of maintaining pure creative freedom. Nothing musically nor artistically satiating in Hymn For the Weekend or Fun. I think a lot of people on this forum have preconceived notions about what making chart-pop music must mean. Selling out, branding, talentless, whatever. The fact is that Rihanna is the single biggest artist of this century so far, it's most iconic vocalist, plus her last album was critically acclaimed. Beyonce has remained one of the most popular figures in music for two decades, and probably has a fanbase matched in strength only by Kanye or Adele. Now, I personally agree that Martin is more talented than both of them, but acting as if it's embarrassing to work with them or take inspiration from them is just silly. Once again, A Head Full of Dreams is Chris with pure artistic freedom. This is what he wants to make, this is his vision for Coldplay. He's not obliged to want to make the kind of music AROBTTH fans like, and to him (and the billions of people who've watched the YouTube video), Hymn for the Weekend is a good song that he's happy to make. Okay, you might not like it, you might not like dancey chart-pop as a whole, but that doesn't mean this is all some personality trait where Chris was bullied at school and feels the need to fit in and secretly hates the music he's making. The man just likes pop. And he's pretty good at it, even if I personally prefer their art-pop Viva/Mylo style. As sincere as I know you are, especially with this band, when I hear a song such as Amazing Day, I find it a difficult task to believe that Chris wrote it truly believing he had crafted an "amazing" piece of music. If songs like that are tunes he always wanted to make, I'll call his bluff.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 5, 2019 6:30:56 GMT -5
If A Head Full Of Dreams is the Coldplay Chris always wanted well that’s when I leave this party. Probably forever. It was a nice run and I cherish their early work. It was a time for heroes but some times even hero’s die in battle.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 5, 2019 7:40:57 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine staying at this party Like another already said earlier, Politik as a tour opener in 2002. Magical. Is this the same band? No.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 5, 2019 7:56:03 GMT -5
Like another already said earlier, Politik as a tour opener in 2002. Magical. Is this the same band? No. I'm sure you've announced leaving this party about six times now... I think perspective plays a part in all of this. Fans like me from ground zero do feel a blindsided to a degree over what has transpired over the last decade. This band conducted itself so so different 2000 to 2008. I have a feeling you are much much younger than myself and prob arrived at this band when they made their creative turn towards mainstream pop in 2008/2009. Believe you me if you were there from the start you might share some of these opinions. For me if Coldplay began their career with A Head Full of Dreams I prob wouldn’t give it the light of day and keep on walking by. Like I said people change. Bands change. We had a good run. Fun times. But nothing lasts forever as the prophet Axel Rose once said.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 5, 2019 8:44:41 GMT -5
I think perspective plays a part in all of this. Fans like me from ground zero do feel a blindsided to a degree over what has transpired over the last decade. This band conducted itself so so different 2000 to 2008. I have a feeling you are much much younger than myself and prob arrived at this band when they made their creative turn towards mainstream pop in 2008/2009. Believe you me if you were there from the start you might share some of these opinions. For me if Coldplay began their career with A Head Full of Dreams I prob wouldn’t give it the light of day and keep on walking by. Like I said people change. Bands change. We had a good run. Fun times. But nothing lasts forever as the prophet Axel Rose once said. Yes, I know, I remember from the last time you typed this out. You're free to go and keep listening to their first two albums, no-one is taking them away from you. Coldplay aren't making Radiohead-inspired indie anymore, they want to make danceable chart-pop, and that might not be your thing. Cool. You're under no obligation to pay them any attention. But a lot of people enjoy it, they're still massively popular, and that's fine too. Personally, I'd like them to return to what I consider their artistic peak, the Viva/Mylo years, where they made art-pop albums with concepts and themes and a tonne of influences. Some want indie Coldplay back. Some people love dance-pop Coldplay. matt already hit the nail on the head, I'm afraid - maybe their newer music isn't for you, but that isn't as a result of "branding" or wanting to fit in or some other nonsense, it's just music for a different demographic. Like I said from the start. People change. All walks of life. Coldplay is no different. I knew since Mylo they were never going back to their vintage sound. Atlas was a small glimpse of 2003ish Coldplay but that didn’t last past a soundtrack appearance.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 5, 2019 10:16:12 GMT -5
Like I said from the start. People change. All walks of life. Coldplay is no different. I knew since Mylo they were never going back to their vintage sound. Atlas was a small glimpse of 2003ish Coldplay but that didn’t last past a soundtrack appearance. Okay? I don't understand why you keep saying the same thing. You like 2000-2003 Coldplay. Wonderful. They were good. I like 2007-2012 Coldplay. Millions of others love current Coldplay, thousands think X&Y is their best album, some like none of their albums, and there's probably some who think they never topped The Blue Room EP. The point is that just because Chris likes chart-pop music now, they haven't "sold-out", they're not "protecting a brand", they're just making music in a genre that you don't enjoy. You're free to ignore them. I do agree that their last two albums are their weakest, but I don't make any claims about Martin's personality based off that, and I still they're a top-drawer pop band with an incredibly gifted songwriter. I keep saying that line because it explains a lot. You are short changing me on the era I like of the band. It goes a lot longer than 2003. Martin always writes hits. I like many many of his songs since 2008 just not overall albums. Since 2005 they’ve only really nailed 1 complete effort of an album out of the last 5. Everything else has been bloated or uneven or average. I never said they sold out. How could they sell out? They were already massive from the early 2000s. Especially in America as a rock band. They prob had more mainstream hits back then as a full fledge rock act than over the last 5-6 years as a pop act. The only difference is their style changed. They lost many many fans but instantly replaced them with a different type of fan. I personally believe they are in a spot right now where they wouldn’t really want to do anything too drastic. The gravy train is too good for them in a time when it’s not for so many artists, especially guitar bands. Coldplay is a three era band in my opinion. 2000-2005, 2008-2011 and 2012 to present. It’s that last one I loathe the most.
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Post by glider on Jun 5, 2019 14:33:51 GMT -5
I agree with the notion that they didn't sell out, it's an easy label term for bands deviating from their niche style into one for a wider audience. Sellouts typically come from a place where the music they make isn't cutting it financially, therefore go mainstream and find success, albeit at the cost of creative happiness.
Coldplay settled. U2 settled. "Pushing the envelope" and "testing the limits" of their musical ability ended with "Midnight". They've settled for easy to write and produce mainstream pop tracks and play to tens of thousands in stadiums worldwide who will flock in droves every time they're in town. They've achieved everything. They're still the greatest live act in the world and have reached the mountain top in record time.
Some artists settle when they shouldn't (ahem..RPA), and of course others even after their peak success keep wanting to push themselves (Noel, Thom). I believe truly this is the last phase of Coldplay we'll ever see - they're settled into their success and are on cruise control. They earned it.
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Post by Rolo on Jun 5, 2019 16:36:23 GMT -5
One of their best.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 5, 2019 17:07:07 GMT -5
So today I thought seeing Coldplay performance Fix You must have been epic. I found the following, and wasn’t disappointed. Might need to re-evaluate Coldplay.
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 6, 2019 3:10:22 GMT -5
Time to kick off the hype train with everyone's favorite 00's pop rock band! Apparently Coldplay have been working with Norwegian producers Stargate on their upcoming album, A Head Full of Dreams. They also produced Miracles, the song on the soundtrack of the movie Unbroken. Davide Rossi, who has composed string parts for the band since Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends, has also suggested in a tweet that Coldplay material may be "about to be released". Discuss! Just read this. Did Jake Bugg participate in AHFOD? I have searched in wikipedia to see the credits but no Jake Bugg in a single song.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 6, 2019 11:41:41 GMT -5
So today I thought seeing Coldplay performance Fix You must have been epic. I found the following, and wasn’t disappointed. Might need to re-evaluate Coldplay.
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 6, 2019 12:35:26 GMT -5
I wish I could have seen the band on their Mylo Xyloto tour. The xylobands, all the stadium art-pop tracks from that fifth album, the heavier version of Clocks, the production, that might have been their peak as a live act. And with Coldplay, that is saying something.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 6, 2019 13:06:43 GMT -5
I wish I could have seen the band on their Mylo Xyloto tour. The xylobands, all the stadium art-pop tracks from that fifth album, the heavier version of Clocks, the production, that might have been their peak as a live act. And with Coldplay, that is saying something. This was actually the last tour I saw them on. Caught them on Live on Letterman which was a full concert show done after usually after a band appeared on David Letterman’s show. I was also at the Beady Eye one earlier in 2011. An excellent gig. Coldplay played for over an hour. Playing many many tracks that would eventually feature on Mylo they came out a month later. Very fortunate to be there and sitting front row center with my wife. I said to her after the gig I think this is it for seeing them live. It was a wonderful journey 2000 to 2011 with gigs stretching 500 people at Bowery Ballroom, to Jones Beach to MSG to an intimate and historic setting like Letterman. Coldplay even did an unannounced encore which created problems for the technicians working the show as mics had been turned off and put away. Union shop, over time for the crew and them wanting to go home. Coldplay took to the stage and did Us Against The World with sparse production and no mics. Wasn’t on the web stream. Only the people in the theater saw it. Very cool and emotional. This person captured some of it on their phone. FIN
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