Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 17:32:43 GMT -5
Does somebody know Noel recording some songs around this period with Bonehead and Guigsy? I know there are some demos around from 1998 (if I remember correctly). Are Bonehead and Guigsy on these recordings?
|
|
|
Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 3, 2015 18:12:26 GMT -5
Does somebody know Noel recording some songs around this period with Bonehead and Guigsy? I know there are some demos around from 1998 (if I remember correctly). Are Bonehead and Guigsy on these recordings? I wouldn't have thought so, around that time Noel had Paul Stacey and Mark Coyle around for demos, so I would guess it was either a mix of those three or Noel solo with engineering help. I know that for contractual reasons the finished parts to SOTSOG had both Bonehead and Guigs removed from the recordings.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 19:09:43 GMT -5
I heard one interview where Noel mentions being pissed off about having to rerecord all of Bonehead and Guigs' parts so they must have recorded during these sessions, but they won't feature on any of the demos because all of the guitar parts were done by Noel or one of the Stacey brothers. It could have been a very different album if Guigs and Bonehead were still involved. A better album? Who knows. It definitely would have sounded more like Oasis though with Guigsy's simple bass lines and Bonehead's power chords, rather than the multiple layers and effects that Noel recorded to fill out the sound.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 4:26:59 GMT -5
I heard one interview where Noel mentions being pissed off about having to rerecord all of Bonehead and Guigs' parts so they must have recorded during these sessions, but they won't feature on any of the demos because all of the guitar parts were done by Noel or one of the Stacey brothers. It could have been a very different album if Guigs and Bonehead were still involved. A better album? Who knows. It definitely would have sounded more like Oasis though with Guigsy's simple bass lines and Bonehead's power chords, rather than the multiple layers and effects that Noel recorded to fill out the sound. Do you think we'll ever hear the album with Bonehead and Guigsy? Noel had to rerecord it, so there has to be something left you would think
|
|
|
Post by thomuk2006 on Aug 4, 2015 4:34:23 GMT -5
My biggest wish.... SOTSOG Deluxe Box Set... with outtakes, demos, etc..... fuck the Be Here Now demos... really don't get why everyone gets so excited about them.
|
|
|
Post by beentherenow on Aug 4, 2015 4:36:05 GMT -5
I find this era fascinating more so than any other part of Oasis' history,
The reason being is the complete metamorphosis the band went through and all in a relatively short amount of time. Practically everything changed!
At the time, it seemed like an age between Be Here Now at SOTSOG but in reality they took more time between HC and DBTT and DBBT and DOYS and that is with a relatively settled line up and comfortable way of working.
Between the end of the chaotic BHN tour and the beginning of the SOTSOG sessions was 13 months. Thirteen months!! Oasis had gone from coming out of Phoneboxes, having Rolls Royce's on stage and shouting It's Gettin' Better Man!!! to Noel recording sombre, introspective songs about the party being over in little over a year. It was all a bit too soon,
When you then factor in two founder members leaving a few months into the sessions as well, it's crazy that they went ahead with the album. I know Bonehead and Guigs were hardly integral to the creative direction of the band but something must have been telling Noel to take a bit more time off and something isn't right. They rushed into initially and now major problems have arisen.
Listen to Be Here Now and then listen to SOTSOG, in fact look at both the albums artwork whilst you're doing it and remember these albums were only 2.5 years apart. Critics have said Oasis didn't change tell them to listen to these back to back and you'll rarely find two albums released back to back so different.
Back to the questions though I remember an interview with Noel around 2000 saying they'll both get their 'Pound' in royalties from the album sales (maybe a reference at how much it sold or perhaps a dig at how little they usually got). However I don't think that's right because they're not credited and it's widely known Noel pretty much did it on his own
|
|
|
Post by Gas Panic on Aug 4, 2015 5:21:55 GMT -5
My biggest wish.... SOTSOG Deluxe Box Set... with outtakes, demos, etc..... fuck the Be Here Now demos... really don't get why everyone gets so excited about them. SOTSOG remains the only Oasis album without a UK boxset. There is however a very rare promo Mexican boxset you can get: eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=199402I think one day we'll get UK boxset but not until 2020 at the very earliest. Are any Liam sung demos confirmed?
|
|
|
Post by Jim on Aug 4, 2015 6:15:19 GMT -5
My biggest wish.... SOTSOG Deluxe Box Set... with outtakes, demos, etc..... fuck the Be Here Now demos... really don't get why everyone gets so excited about them. SOTSOG remains the only Oasis album without a UK boxset. There is however a very rare promo Mexican boxset you can get: eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=199402I think one day we'll get UK boxset but not until 2020 at the very earliest. Are any Liam sung demos confirmed? I don't have the sources to hand but he attempted Sunday Morning Call and I'm sure Where Did It All Go Wrong was also tried out. I'd like to think he had a go at Full On too as its his style of tune. It's also been mentioned he tried Force of Nature and Little By Little, with Noel saying both being just out of his range but wether that was during the the Giants album sessions or later at the Heathen Chemistry sessions is unknown.
|
|
|
Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 4, 2015 6:47:03 GMT -5
I find this era fascinating more so than any other part of Oasis' history, The reason being is the complete metamorphosis the band went through and all in a relatively short amount of time. Practically everything changed! At the time, it seemed like an age between Be Here Now at SOTSOG but in reality they took more time between HC and DBTT and DBBT and DOYS and that is with a relatively settled line up and comfortable way of working. Between the end of the chaotic BHN tour and the beginning of the SOTSOG sessions was 13 months. Thirteen months!! Oasis had gone from coming out of Phoneboxes, having Rolls Royce's on stage and shouting It's Gettin' Better Man!!! to Noel recording sombre, introspective songs about the party being over in little over a year. It was all a bit too soon, When you then factor in two founder members leaving a few months into the sessions as well, it's crazy that they went ahead with the album. I know Bonehead and Guigs were hardly integral to the creative direction of the band but something must have been telling Noel to take a bit more time off and something isn't right. They rushed into initially and now major problems have arisen. Listen to Be Here Now and then listen to SOTSOG, in fact look at both the albums artwork whilst you're doing it and remember these albums were only 2.5 years apart. Critics have said Oasis didn't change tell them to listen to these back to back and you'll rarely find two albums released back to back so different. Back to the questions though I remember an interview with Noel around 2000 saying they'll both get their 'Pound' in royalties from the album sales (maybe a reference at how much it sold or perhaps a dig at how little they usually got). However I don't think that's right because they're not credited and it's widely known Noel pretty much did it on his own Agreed, I don't usually bother with critics too much but never understood the obsession some of them had with how Oasis "never changed their sound", yet I remember praise being given by one who had made this siort of comment to Pearl Jam for "not falling for change for fashion's sake" (Nothing against PJ to any fans!) It struck me as odd how two bands treading similar veins in their own styles could be viewed so differently. I think the Noel 'Pound' quote (xfm press conference is was - God I'm an anorak) was just his humour, as you say after the French sessions were scrapped he recorded most of it with Alan White, Paul Stacey and "Spike" Stent.
|
|
|
Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 4, 2015 7:08:01 GMT -5
I find this era fascinating more so than any other part of Oasis' history, The reason being is the complete metamorphosis the band went through and all in a relatively short amount of time. Practically everything changed! At the time, it seemed like an age between Be Here Now at SOTSOG but in reality they took more time between HC and DBTT and DBBT and DOYS and that is with a relatively settled line up and comfortable way of working. Between the end of the chaotic BHN tour and the beginning of the SOTSOG sessions was 13 months. Thirteen months!! Oasis had gone from coming out of Phoneboxes, having Rolls Royce's on stage and shouting It's Gettin' Better Man!!! to Noel recording sombre, introspective songs about the party being over in little over a year. It was all a bit too soon, When you then factor in two founder members leaving a few months into the sessions as well, it's crazy that they went ahead with the album. I know Bonehead and Guigs were hardly integral to the creative direction of the band but something must have been telling Noel to take a bit more time off and something isn't right. They rushed into initially and now major problems have arisen. Listen to Be Here Now and then listen to SOTSOG, in fact look at both the albums artwork whilst you're doing it and remember these albums were only 2.5 years apart. Critics have said Oasis didn't change tell them to listen to these back to back and you'll rarely find two albums released back to back so different. Back to the questions though I remember an interview with Noel around 2000 saying they'll both get their 'Pound' in royalties from the album sales (maybe a reference at how much it sold or perhaps a dig at how little they usually got). However I don't think that's right because they're not credited and it's widely known Noel pretty much did it on his own "Don't take away our portable Rome, where we can all have our houses and our cars, and our lovers and our wives, and our office girls and parties and drink and drugs."
- John Lennon (1970)
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 7:50:08 GMT -5
I heard one interview where Noel mentions being pissed off about having to rerecord all of Bonehead and Guigs' parts so they must have recorded during these sessions, but they won't feature on any of the demos because all of the guitar parts were done by Noel or one of the Stacey brothers. It could have been a very different album if Guigs and Bonehead were still involved. A better album? Who knows. It definitely would have sounded more like Oasis though with Guigsy's simple bass lines and Bonehead's power chords, rather than the multiple layers and effects that Noel recorded to fill out the sound. Do you think we'll ever hear the album with Bonehead and Guigsy? Noel had to rerecord it, so there has to be something left you would think Maybe in 2020.
|
|
|
Post by Definitely Could Be Oasis on Aug 4, 2015 8:16:08 GMT -5
They were definitely involved at an early stage.
I remember reading a feature on the band around 1998, just before they left (I think maybe it was maybe Select magazine but I lost it years ago and have never found it reprinted anywhere!) and Bonehead was talking about the new songs they were working on.
He described what he said was going to be the next single as being really different, starting with a drum loop and acoustic guitar and later on a whistle blows to kick the song up a gear.
When GLIO was released I figured he was clearly talking about that.
For some reason that nterview always stuck with me but like I said I've never seen it again.
Anyone else remember that?
|
|
|
Post by Teotihuacan on Aug 4, 2015 9:05:56 GMT -5
They were definitely involved at an early stage. I remember reading a feature on the band around 1998..Anyone else remember that? Sounds like the most significant interview Noel gave between the BHN and SOTSOG campaigns in Q mag Feb 1999, I believe this was the first interview where he spoke about giving up cocaine, which came as a big shock to me at the time. oasisinterviews.blogspot.co.uk/1999_02_01_archive.htmlSo what's the demo of the next single like?It starts with a drum loop and you'll go, "That's not Oasis." It's really short and catchy, it hasn't got a guitar solo and there are no backing vocals. You know like in "Live Forever" there isn't actually a chorus, just a little refrain? It's like that, and there's a sort of hole in the song where everything goes swirly and mental - backwards stuff from Camberwick Green, Windy Miller dialogue - and then there's like a false key shift which kicks the song into a totally new gear.
|
|
|
Post by Definitely Could Be Oasis on Aug 4, 2015 10:33:16 GMT -5
They were definitely involved at an early stage. I remember reading a feature on the band around 1998..Anyone else remember that? Sounds like the most significant interview Noel gave between the BHN and SOTSOG campaigns in Q mag Feb 1999, I believe this was the first interview where he spoke about giving up cocaine, which came as a big shock to me at the time. oasisinterviews.blogspot.co.uk/1999_02_01_archive.htmlSo what's the demo of the next single like?It starts with a drum loop and you'll go, "That's not Oasis." It's really short and catchy, it hasn't got a guitar solo and there are no backing vocals. You know like in "Live Forever" there isn't actually a chorus, just a little refrain? It's like that, and there's a sort of hole in the song where everything goes swirly and mental - backwards stuff from Camberwick Green, Windy Miller dialogue - and then there's like a false key shift which kicks the song into a totally new gear. Ah yeah, I'm probably getting mixed up with that quote a bit but there was definitely an interview with bonehead around that time talking about the new single which mentioned the acoustic guitar and whistle. Can't find it anywhere!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 13:47:09 GMT -5
Thanks for all the information!
|
|
|
Post by dontlookback82 on Aug 4, 2015 14:09:14 GMT -5
My biggest wish.... SOTSOG Deluxe Box Set... with outtakes, demos, etc..... fuck the Be Here Now demos... really don't get why everyone gets so excited about them. SOTSOG remains the only Oasis album without a UK boxset. There is however a very rare promo Mexican boxset you can get: eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=199402I think one day we'll get UK boxset but not until 2020 at the very earliest. Are any Liam sung demos confirmed? I have got that boxset, it comes with a VHS. It is one of my favourite boxsets, though saying that it has been in my parents loft for the past five years.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 14:30:49 GMT -5
SOTSOG remains the only Oasis album without a UK boxset. There is however a very rare promo Mexican boxset you can get: eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=199402I think one day we'll get UK boxset but not until 2020 at the very earliest. Are any Liam sung demos confirmed? I have got that boxset, it comes with a VHS. It is one of my favourite boxsets, though saying that it has been in my parents loft for the past five years. What's on the VHS?
|
|
|
Post by davidjay on Aug 4, 2015 16:30:26 GMT -5
Here's some further info on the recording sessions for Stading on the Shoulder of Giants, quoted from an unknown article (haven't been able to trace it as yet - this extract was posted on a newsgroup years back without the source. Anyway...). (Noel Gallagher interview from 2000. Source unknown). *Note: Brian Gibson of TG Mixers recalls that 'Much of the the Oasis album Standing on the Shoulders of Giants was recorded using the TG12345 desk belonging to Noel Gallagher. Also some parts of the next two albums. However, none of those recordings were actually mixed on the TG desk. Standing on the Shoulders of Giants was mixed by Spike Stent at his studio in the old Olympic Studios in Barnes using an SSL console.' (Brian Gibson, quoted from private email correspondence, 2012).
|
|
|
Post by nutsngum on Aug 4, 2015 16:42:46 GMT -5
That interview makes a mockery of Noel's "guitar magazines phone you up and I don't know anything about gear" attitude he sometimes gives out.
|
|
|
Post by Let It Bleed on Aug 4, 2015 16:51:08 GMT -5
Pretty sure I've seen a photo of a cd copy of demos from Standing on the Shoulder of Giants posted by one of my Facebook friend's.
God bless.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 17:48:57 GMT -5
Pretty sure I've seen a photo of a cd copy of demos from Standing on the Shoulder of Giants posted by one of my Facebook friend's. God bless. Pics or it didn't happen
|
|
|
Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 4, 2015 17:51:30 GMT -5
SOTSOG remains the only Oasis album without a UK boxset. There is however a very rare promo Mexican boxset you can get: eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=199402I think one day we'll get UK boxset but not until 2020 at the very earliest. Are any Liam sung demos confirmed? I have got that boxset, it comes with a VHS. It is one of my favourite boxsets, though saying that it has been in my parents loft for the past five years. Well don't leave it there chap, Go Let It Out of there  sorry couldn't resist
|
|
|
Post by Let It Bleed on Aug 4, 2015 18:27:30 GMT -5
Pretty sure I've seen a photo of a cd copy of demos from Standing on the Shoulder of Giants posted by one of my Facebook friend's. God bless. Pics or it didn't happen Well, I went through a period of taking a lot of peyote so it could all be in my heãd, but, I bet the person has heard the demöns.... God bless.
|
|
|
Post by Jim G. on Aug 4, 2015 21:33:47 GMT -5
One of my favorite albums, specially due to the circumstances of the time. It's a shame how overlooked that album was.
I really wish Noel had stuck to the sound. I think that, since that wasn't the best collection of songs he had, he scrapped all his plans and got back to the dadrock formula of Heathen Chemistry.
Whenever I think of a direction Noel should take, SOTSOG's sound comes to mind. FITB, GLIO, GP, WDIAGW, FO, RIO... amazing.
|
|
|
Post by Jim on Aug 5, 2015 1:07:32 GMT -5
Well, I went through a period of taking a lot of peyote so it could all be in my heãd, but, I bet the person has heard the demöns.... God bless. If it's who I'm thinking of then the guy does have a cd of demos and Noel has even autographed the disc when he met him this year.
|
|