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Post by carlober on Jul 10, 2015 7:34:36 GMT -5
There are a lot of amateurish guitarists who pretend to be great players and who say that using a capo is cheating and for noobs. Usually they are into some shitty unknown prog rock band which uses in their song the most bizarre and complicated set of chords available (and they sound like shit). Annoying pricks.
What's the problem of using a capo? If it sounds great and it allows you to get the sound you're looking for more easily, then what's wrong with it?
We all know that Noel is not the best guitar player around. He's no Santana, Satriani, Gilmour, Marr or whoever else.
That's good enough for me. If I want to listen to some crazy solos with hands running all around the fretboard I put on some Van Halen album, not an acoustic gig by Noel Gallagher.
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Post by ccd204p on Jul 10, 2015 7:44:41 GMT -5
The good thing with the capo is you get to play stuff like Don't Go Away, Sally, Slide Away, Married With Children in a different key/different chords. If Noel was lazy, then he'd have changed Rockin' Chair, Sad Song, It's Good To Be Free, Talk Tonight etc to have a capo on. It's all about the sound and the key that suits his voice, not laziness!
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 10, 2015 11:29:30 GMT -5
It would be great if using a capo was enough to not hurt my fingers while playing tbh
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Post by A on Jul 10, 2015 16:45:38 GMT -5
It would be great if using a capo was enough to not hurt my fingers while playing tbh Is it the tips of your fingers of your whole hand? |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 10, 2015 17:00:31 GMT -5
It would be great if using a capo was enough to not hurt my fingers while playing tbh Is it the tips of your fingers of your whole hand? The tips of course |
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Post by A on Jul 10, 2015 17:17:37 GMT -5
Is it the tips of your fingers of your whole hand? The tips of course How long have you been playing? After awhile you should form callouses and it shouldn't bother you any longer. |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Jul 11, 2015 5:22:29 GMT -5
Yeah, just keep practicing and you should be fine at some point. The acoustic guitar can be a bitch at first (and even long after that, hah). Maybe you could try lighter strings. What gauge are the ones you're using now?
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Post by rebus on Jul 11, 2015 6:41:05 GMT -5
What you tend to find is for a fuller sound, Noel will capo higher and Tim will keep his capo relatively low (if he uses it at all).
A good example is Broken Arrow. Tim has his capo down on the second fret, where Noel has it up around the eight or ninth.
If you're a guitarist, try playing the song in the same key but using those different capo positions (and obviously altering the chords you play so that the song remains the same). It sounds surprisingly different.
Noel uses a capo for breadth of sound, for want of a better explanation. Songs sound fuller when the two guitarists are playing something slightly different.
It's similar to in the good old days when Bonehead stuck to bar chords and Noel played G's and D's. Breadth of sound.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 8:09:24 GMT -5
What you tend to find is for a fuller sound, Noel will capo higher and Tim will keep his capo relatively low (if he uses it at all). A good example is Broken Arrow. Tim has his capo down on the second fret, where Noel has it up around the eight or ninth. If you're a guitarist, try playing the song in the same key but using those different capo positions (and obviously altering the chords you play so that the song remains the same). It sounds surprisingly different. Noel uses a capo for breadth of sound, for want of a better explanation. Songs sound fuller when the two guitarists are playing something slightly different. It's similar to in the good old days when Bonehead stuck to bar chords and Noel played G's and D's. Breadth of sound. I think Tim mentioned this in an interview recently about Noel wanting to sort of "layer" the sound (probably not really the right word). I think what he does with that comes out sounding pretty effective. It makes me wonder if the way Gem played chords - I think the way Gem plays them is called "triads" or something - was a factor in him getting the Oasis job. He had a very different sound to Noel and it made for a cool combination. |
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Post by mahsteve on Jul 11, 2015 8:36:27 GMT -5
What you tend to find is for a fuller sound, Noel will capo higher and Tim will keep his capo relatively low (if he uses it at all). A good example is Broken Arrow. Tim has his capo down on the second fret, where Noel has it up around the eight or ninth. If you're a guitarist, try playing the song in the same key but using those different capo positions (and obviously altering the chords you play so that the song remains the same). It sounds surprisingly different. Noel uses a capo for breadth of sound, for want of a better explanation. Songs sound fuller when the two guitarists are playing something slightly different. It's similar to in the good old days when Bonehead stuck to bar chords and Noel played G's and D's. Breadth of sound. I think Tim mentioned this in an interview recently about Noel wanting to sort of "layer" the sound (probably not really the right word). I think what he does with that comes out sounding pretty effective. It makes me wonder if the way Gem played chords - I think the way Gem plays them is called "triads" or something - was a factor in him getting the Oasis job. He had a very different sound to Noel and it made for a cool combination. I've always wondered what chores gem was playing When u watch gem playing live in oasis he didn't play barre chords in the conventional Sense like bonehead did but seemed to play the cords in a C or F shape up and down the neck without using his index finger to fully barre it. You can see gem in this video of supersonic at Wembley in 2000 between 3.31 and 3.38 he plays the chords I'm talking about. Is the guitar in a different tuning? |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Jul 11, 2015 8:47:38 GMT -5
I think Tim mentioned this in an interview recently about Noel wanting to sort of "layer" the sound (probably not really the right word). I think what he does with that comes out sounding pretty effective. It makes me wonder if the way Gem played chords - I think the way Gem plays them is called "triads" or something - was a factor in him getting the Oasis job. He had a very different sound to Noel and it made for a cool combination. I've always wondered what chores gem was playing When u watch gem playing live in oasis he didn't play barre chords in the conventional Sense like bonehead did but seemed to play the cords in a C or F shape up and down the neck without using his index finger to fully barre it. You can see gem in this video of supersonic at Wembley in 2000 between 3.31 and 3.38 he plays the chords I'm talking about. Is the guitar in a different tuning? It's basically like barre chords, but using part of the index and the thumb on the top strings. But he's probably muting some strings (sometimes the thumb doesn't fret the 5th string) and not playing the full chords. EDIT: I just took a look again and at 3:36 he's just playing the A major triad. So the amount of strings he's playing varies from chord to chord. This kind of playing is very common, The Beatles (particularly Lennon) did the same thing. |
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Post by mahsteve on Jul 11, 2015 8:51:57 GMT -5
I've always wondered what chores gem was playing When u watch gem playing live in oasis he didn't play barre chords in the conventional Sense like bonehead did but seemed to play the cords in a C or F shape up and down the neck without using his index finger to fully barre it. You can see gem in this video of supersonic at Wembley in 2000 between 3.31 and 3.38 he plays the chords I'm talking about. Is the guitar in a different tuning? It's basically like barre chords, but using part of the index and the thumb on the top strings. But he's probably muting some strings (sometimes the thumb doesn't fret the 5th string) and not playing the full chords. EDIT: I just took a look again and at 3:36 he's just playing the A major triad. So the amount of strings he's playing varies from chord to chord. This kind of playing is very common, The Beatles (particularly Lennon) did the same thing. Yeah I just could never work out what he was doing, if he was playing in a different tuning or muting strings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 11:32:04 GMT -5
I guess it just takes a lot of discipline in making sure you only play the right strings.
FTM is actually really great for hearing the differences between Gem and Noel because they're almost completely split in the mix: Noel is in the left channel and Gem in the right.
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Post by leak4ever on Jul 11, 2015 13:09:17 GMT -5
There are a lot of amateurish guitarists who pretend to be great players and who say that using a capo is cheating and for noobs. Usually they are into some shitty unknown prog rock band which uses in their song the most bizarre and complicated set of chords available (and they sound like shit). Annoying pricks. What's the problem of using a capo? If it sounds great and it allows you to get the sound you're looking for more easily, then what's wrong with it? We all know that Noel is not the best guitar player around. He's no Santana, Satriani, Gilmour, Marr or whoever else. That's good enough for me. If I want to listen to some crazy solos with hands running all around the fretboard I put on some Van Halen album, not an acoustic gig by Noel Gallagher. I've been playing guitar for years and 90% of the time, I use same chord shapes. Need to change the key? Change the damn capo. It's not laziness. I can play a damn barre chord if I need to. It's about the sound you get from the guitar. |
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Post by ccd204p on Jul 11, 2015 15:03:29 GMT -5
What you tend to find is for a fuller sound, Noel will capo higher and Tim will keep his capo relatively low (if he uses it at all). A good example is Broken Arrow. Tim has his capo down on the second fret, where Noel has it up around the eight or ninth. If you're a guitarist, try playing the song in the same key but using those different capo positions (and obviously altering the chords you play so that the song remains the same). It sounds surprisingly different. Noel uses a capo for breadth of sound, for want of a better explanation. Songs sound fuller when the two guitarists are playing something slightly different. It's similar to in the good old days when Bonehead stuck to bar chords and Noel played G's and D's. Breadth of sound. Yeah, Noel has his capo on the 9th fret for Broken Arrow. It was the opposite for Mighty I with Noel having a capo on fret 1 and Tim on fret 4. |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Jul 12, 2015 4:04:10 GMT -5
I guess it just takes a lot of discipline in making sure you only play the right strings. FTM is actually really great for hearing the differences between Gem and Noel because they're almost completely split in the mix: Noel is in the left channel and Gem in the right. It's not as difficult as you'd think, actually, since it just requires muting the strings you don't need with the left hand. As you can see on the videos, Gem is always strumming the guitar in a very relaxed manner, pretty much strumming all or most of the strings. It takes a little practice, just like anything else, but it's one of the things I've found the easiest to learn on guitar. So you might as well give it a try  |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Jul 13, 2015 9:18:26 GMT -5
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Post by mossy on Jul 13, 2015 11:15:18 GMT -5
Even Noel is sounding bored of the Morrissey story now! The way he spoke about the acoustic gigs "not back on tour" implied it would be UK only. |
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Post by ccd204p on Jul 13, 2015 11:45:05 GMT -5
So back to the original topic... Noel ended the TITP set last night with "probably see you next year" so does that mean no Scottish dates on the acoustic tour?  |
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Post by jaq515 on Jul 13, 2015 11:50:25 GMT -5
So back to the original topic... Noel ended the TITP set last night with "probably see you next year" so does that mean no Scottish dates on the acoustic tour? Sure in manc he said ill see you next time that i've got something to promote. The calling festival poster defo said noel's last london gig of the year. Maybe he's playing smaller venues / towns he's not played for BHN promotion |
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Post by ccd204p on Jul 13, 2015 11:56:19 GMT -5
So back to the original topic... Noel ended the TITP set last night with "probably see you next year" so does that mean no Scottish dates on the acoustic tour? Sure in manc he said ill see you next time that i've got something to promote. The calling festival poster defo said noel's last london gig of the year. Maybe he's playing smaller venues / towns he's not played for BHN promotion Yeah, the Calling one did. That'll be interesting. Maybe he's playing places he's never played before. The poster said Noel's last London show of the year, not Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds' last London show of the year. It'll be interesting if and when that is all annouced (if it's announced!) |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jul 14, 2015 5:29:28 GMT -5
He could do it in Europe at the end of this year and then the UK/Ireland early in the new year.
If he wants a new album finished by the end of the year I imagine we won't see any acoustic tour til early next year anyway.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 14, 2015 5:48:15 GMT -5
He could do it in Europe at the end of this year and then the UK/Ireland early in the new year. If he wants a new album finished by the end of the year I imagine we won't see any acoustic tour til early next year anyway. Nah he's been saying November for a while,he'll tour with HFB next year |
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Post by plaskins1 on Sept 28, 2015 17:40:07 GMT -5
This isn't going to happen is it? We would have heard something by now, surely |
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Post by mkoasis on Sept 28, 2015 19:23:02 GMT -5
This isn't going to happen is it? We would have heard something by now, surely I've been thinking the same. Unless its only going to be 3 shows and very late Nov, or early Dec. |
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