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Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 29, 2015 15:42:06 GMT -5
So much ignorance in this thread its blowing my mind. Nevermind the fact that America, specifically African Americans invented about 70% of basis of modern music whether it be rock n' roll, blues, jazz, funk, hip hop. Yes I get that this says rock bands, but are people forgetting bands like Velvet Underground? Who in four albums did just as much for modern (alternative) music as the Beatles did. Except this is about from which country your favourite/best bands are. Of course America has invented the basis of a lot of genres that have evolved into modern music as it is now. Is anyone claiming otherwise? It's rather about which country has produced more great bands, and more of your favourites. At least that's how I interpreted this thread. What Cast was addressing more than anything is the unchecked ignorance running rampant thought out this thread... The Beatlés not influence by 50's rock 'n roll? They covered early rock 'n roll songs! Not to mention, Elvis probably fucked at least one family member of each person who posted in this thread....I could be Elvis' kid, I was born in 1977 and I have a penchant for taking dynamite pills and shooting televisions and other objects. Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 15:44:33 GMT -5
Except this is about from which country your favourite/best bands are. Of course America has invented the basis of a lot of genres that have evolved into modern music as it is now. Is anyone claiming otherwise? It's rather about which country has produced more great bands, and more of your favourites. At least that's how I interpreted this thread. What Cast was addressing more than anything is the unchecked ignorance running rampant thought out this thread... The Beatlés not influence by 50's rock 'n roll? They covered early rock 'n roll songs! Not to mention, Elvis probably fucked at least one family member of each person who posted in this thread....I could be Elvis' kid, I was born in 1977 and I have a penchant for taking dynamite pills and shooting televisions and other objects. Thanks. You know who probably fucked Elvis?  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jun 29, 2015 15:44:46 GMT -5
No one claimed they weren't inspired by American rock 'n roll!
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Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 29, 2015 15:50:22 GMT -5
No one claimed they weren't inspired by American rock 'n roll! Tbh I think the argument that The Beatles etc were influenced by American records doesn't really work - the question is which country has in total produced better bands/music. Both have influenced each other in millions of unmeasurable ways so we can only look at the music from both sides, and then it's a walkover for Britain IMO. The wealth of talent and innovation British music has in so many genres is unparalleled - it's even arguable Britain has had the best bands/artists in rock, pop, punk, IDM, EDM, psychedelia, progressive, and indie. Actually I'd say Britain vs The Rest of the World would be a fairer comparison. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 15:51:44 GMT -5
No one claimed they weren't inspired by American rock 'n roll! Tbh I think the argument that The Beatles etc were influenced by American records doesn't really work - the question is which country has in total produced better bands/music. Both have influenced each other in millions of unmeasurable ways so we can only look at the music from both sides, and then it's a walkover for Britain IMO. The wealth of talent and innovation British music has in so many genres is unparalleled - it's even arguable Britain has had the best bands/artists in rock, pop, punk, IDM, EDM, psychedelia, progressive, and indie. Actually I'd say Britain vs The Rest of the World would be a fairer comparison. I think what he was saying was that even though they were inspired by American rock 'n roll, that doesn't mean that American rock 'n' roll music is necessarily better. |
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Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 29, 2015 15:57:06 GMT -5
I think what he was saying was that even though they were inspired by American rock 'n roll, that doesn't mean that American rock 'n' roll music is necessarily better. Nobody said that, either...not saying one's better than the other. Now you're talking above my head. I don't know all of this industry jargon, YP, MP. All I know is that I can't get a record contract, we cannot get a record contract unless we take those tapes to the record company. And granted, the tapes themselves are a uh um oh, you own them, all right, but the magic that is on those tapes. That fucking heart and soul that we put onto those tapes, that is ours and you don't own that. Now I need to take that magic and get it over the record company. And they're waiting for us, we were supposed to be there a half hour ago. We look like assholes, man! Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 16:00:40 GMT -5
I think what he was saying was that even though they were inspired by American rock 'n roll, that doesn't mean that American rock 'n' roll music is necessarily better. Nobody said that, either...not saying one's better than the other. Now you're talking above my head. I don't know all of this industry jargon, YP, MP. All I know is that I can't get a record contract, we cannot get a record contract unless we take those tapes to the record company. And granted, the tapes themselves are a uh um oh, you own them, all right, but the magic that is on those tapes. That fucking heart and soul that we put onto those tapes, that is ours and you don't own that. Now I need to take that magic and get it over the record company. And they're waiting for us, we were supposed to be there a half hour ago. We look like assholes, man! Thanks. I've taken the liberty of translating your speech into Persian. بالای سر من. من همه این اصطلاحات مخصوص یک صنف صنعت، ، مترP را نمی دانند. همه من می دانم این است که من می توانم یک قرارداد ضبط می کنید، ما می توانیم یک قرارداد ضبط می کنید مگر اینکه ما را این نوار به شرکت ضبط. و اعطا شود، نوار خوداوه اوه ام ، شما آنها را خود ، همه حق است، اما سحر و جادو است که در آن نوار . که قلب و روح لعنتی که ما بر روی این نوار قرار داده ، که ماست و متعلق به شما نیست که . حالا من نیاز به سحر و جادو که و آن را بیش از شرکت ضبط. و آنها در حال انتظار برای ما ، ما قرار بود نیم ساعت پیش وجود داشته باشد. ما مثل تشکرها نگاه کنید، مرد!
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Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 29, 2015 16:07:25 GMT -5
Nobody said that, either...not saying one's better than the other. Now you're talking above my head. I don't know all of this industry jargon, YP, MP. All I know is that I can't get a record contract, we cannot get a record contract unless we take those tapes to the record company. And granted, the tapes themselves are a uh um oh, you own them, all right, but the magic that is on those tapes. That fucking heart and soul that we put onto those tapes, that is ours and you don't own that. Now I need to take that magic and get it over the record company. And they're waiting for us, we were supposed to be there a half hour ago. We look like assholes, man! Thanks. I've taken the liberty of translating your speech into Persian. بالای سر من. من همه این اصطلاحات مخصوص یک صنف صنعت، ، مترP را نمی دانند. همه من می دانم این است که من می توانم یک قرارداد ضبط می کنید، ما می توانیم یک قرارداد ضبط می کنید مگر اینکه ما را این نوار به شرکت ضبط. و اعطا شود، نوار خوداوه اوه ام ، شما آنها را خود ، همه حق است، اما سحر و جادو است که در آن نوار . که قلب و روح لعنتی که ما بر روی این نوار قرار داده ، که ماست و متعلق به شما نیست که . حالا من نیاز به سحر و جادو که و آن را بیش از شرکت ضبط. و آنها در حال انتظار برای ما ، ما قرار بود نیم ساعت پیش وجود داشته باشد. ما مثل تشکرها نگاه کنید، مرد!
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jun 29, 2015 16:11:52 GMT -5
I think what he was saying was that even though they were inspired by American rock 'n roll, that doesn't mean that American rock 'n' roll music is necessarily better. Exactly. You took it out of it's context, Let It🩸 |
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Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 29, 2015 16:15:11 GMT -5
I think what he was saying was that even though they were inspired by American rock 'n roll, that doesn't mean that American rock 'n' roll music is necessarily better. Exactly. You took it out of it's context, Let It🩸I need you to make the mean face, but not too mean, this one:  And, arch your back a little bit when you do it... Thanks. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jun 29, 2015 18:03:01 GMT -5
American:
Pixies, Nirvana, The White Stripes, Guns N' Roses, Nine Inch Nails, Frank Black/Black Francis, QOTSA, The Breeders, Shellac, RHCP, Sugar, Them Crooked Vultures, Foo Fighters, Boston, Jimi Hendrix, Jack White, Big Black, The Velvet Underground, Slash, The I.L.Y.S., Iggy Pop, Buckethead, The Dead Weather...
British:
Mclusky, Oasis, Future Of The Left, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Radiohead, Primal Scream, Arctic Monkeys, David Bowie, NGHFB, Kasabian, Blur, Christian Fitness, Sex Pistols, Public Image Ltd, The Stone Roses, The Zutons, Elastica, The Rolling Stones, The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Cure, Beady Eye, The Beta Band...
Other:
My Bloody Valentine, U2, ACDC, Wolfmother, Flight Of The Conchords...
Fairly even between the two. Though it's worth noting that some of my British bands like Mclusky/Future Of The Left are very much American sounding, except in the vocal and lyrical department, with the bands American bands like The Jesus Lizard, Shellac & the Pixies being some of their biggest influences.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jun 29, 2015 18:08:15 GMT -5
UK: The Beatles Radiohead Pink Floyd The Smiths Aphex Twin
Brian Eno The Rolling Stones The Stone Roses Oasis The Sex Pistols The Clash The Who Muse Black Sabbath Joy Division The Jam The Libertines The Kinks GorrilazT-Rex Pulp Blur The Verve Coldplay Donovan Arctic Monkeys The XX Led Zeppelin U2US: Bob Dylan Nirvana Elvis The Beach Boys Jonny Cash Not really a fair comparison. A slightly more fair comparison maybe... Are Gorillaz really rock? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but I'd be tempted to categorize them elsewhere. Wasn't Eno largely known for his ambient work & producing? Maybe I'm wrong on him. Aphex Twin however definitely isn't rock and the last I checked U2 were Irish. Not that that's changed much however! |
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jun 30, 2015 0:25:29 GMT -5
the brits win it for me, but the US isnt getting as much love as i though it would around here?
some US bands that i havent seen mentioned:
jefferson airplane
frank zappa
grateful dead
janis joplin
the doors
the band
CCR
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 1:49:35 GMT -5
UK: The Beatles Radiohead Pink Floyd The Smiths Aphex Twin
Brian Eno The Rolling Stones The Stone Roses Oasis The Sex Pistols The Clash The Who Muse Black Sabbath Joy Division The Jam The Libertines The Kinks GorrilazT-Rex Pulp Blur The Verve Coldplay Donovan Arctic Monkeys The XX Led Zeppelin U2US: Bob Dylan Nirvana Elvis The Beach Boys Jonny Cash Not really a fair comparison. A slightly more fair comparison maybe... Are Gorillaz really rock? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but I'd be tempted to categorize them elsewhere. Wasn't Eno largely known for his ambient work & producing? Maybe I'm wrong on him. Aphex Twin however definitely isn't rock and the last I checked U2 were Irish. Not that that's changed much however! Ah you're right I was just naming musicians rather than rock musicians. Gorillaz, Dylan and Cash are questionable I guess, I wouldn't call any of them rock stars or rock musicians first. Well The Edge is british and that'll do me!  |
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Post by beentherenow on Jun 30, 2015 6:24:40 GMT -5
Without the American music of the 40's and 50's they'd be no Rolling Stones or The Beatles and without those two bands the whole musical landscape would be changed unrecognisably, so it's not as obvious as it first seems,
Obviously the British then took what the Yanks had started with and turned it into something wonderful,
If you listed the 'top' bands since the 60's there is only one winner; any country which produced The Beatles, Rolling Stone, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Who, The Smiths and Oasis deserves the accolade.
The only US artists in my personal top 10 are Nine Inch Nails and Ryan Adams the rest are British or even English to be more precise
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 2, 2015 19:27:53 GMT -5
Britain took what had started in America and ran with it.
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Post by matt on Jul 2, 2015 21:02:51 GMT -5
Not even Live4ever is impervious to the oldest interet debate of all time - America v Britain. This thread is threatening to escalate into a full blown Live4ever Civil War. They'll be teaching school children about it in 200 years time, while the immortal quote of General Let It🩸 will be plastered around classrooms: "A house divided against itself cannot stand. A log cabin on the other hand...." |
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Post by glider on Jul 2, 2015 21:56:14 GMT -5
Everyone's an expert...innit.
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Post by Let It🩸 on Jul 3, 2015 4:26:13 GMT -5
Not even Live4ever is impervious to the oldest interet debate of all time - America v Britain. This thread is threatening to escalate into a full blown Live4ever Civil War. They'll be teaching school children about it in 200 years time, while the immortal quote of General Let It🩸 will be plastered around classrooms: "A house divided against itself cannot stand. A log cabin on the other hand...."I will hold back the water. God bless. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 3, 2015 16:46:11 GMT -5
Let's be quite honest: All we have to mention is one name to clinch a British victory, and I'm not biased.....
The Spice Girls.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 17:29:37 GMT -5
Britain by a mile of course but fuck if you take the last decade, I think there is not a big difference and I even prefer some american rock bands than british (I ll take MGMT, The White Stripes over Coldplay, Muse, The Libertines every day).
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 4, 2015 4:38:05 GMT -5
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MGMT's "second" album wasn't as good as Oracular Spectacular, but still pretty good, but after that they just lost the plot imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 13:34:40 GMT -5
^ MGMT's "second" album wasn't as good as Oracular Spectacular, but still pretty good, but after that they just lost the plot imo. MGMT did two really good albums: Oracular Spectacular and Congratulations. Totally agree with you on it. Their last album is not really great but I will put this one over all the Clodpay albums since Viva La Vida. Without the shadow of a doubt. I find Coldplay very overrated here |
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Post by nahuel89p on Jul 4, 2015 19:59:31 GMT -5
Don't forget Neil Young!!
Anyway, UK beats US by far in my opinion. I think US may have had a lot more bands than UK in the 60s and 70s, with lots of buried/forgotten gems, by bands that never reached the legend status. Can anyone confirm this? I mean, california, NY, around that time... seems to me there's more to the picture than meets the eye.
In terms of quality, though, UK is above. Let's not forget that after all UK has a quarter or a fifth of US population.
One last thing: culturally speaking, americans love the show, the "circus" side. The british don't, so it's no surprise they focus more thoroughly in songwriting and developing deeper concepts. In the US you can grab everyone's attention by looking badass enough. Fireworks. Leather. Makeup. Cars. The brits will only sign if your songs are good enough.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 4, 2015 21:59:29 GMT -5
Don't forget Neil Young!! Anyway, UK beats US by far in my opinion. I think US may have had a lot more bands than UK in the 60s and 70s, with lots of buried/forgotten gems, by bands that never reached the legend status. Can anyone confirm this? I mean, california, NY, around that time... seems to me there's more to the picture than meets the eye. In terms of quality, though, UK is above. Let's not forget that after all UK has a quarter or a fifth of US population. One last thing: culturally speaking, americans love the show, the "circus" side. The british don't, so it's no surprise they focus more thoroughly in songwriting and developing deeper concepts. In the US you can grab everyone's attention by looking badass enough. Fireworks. Leather. Makeup. Cars. The brits will only sign if your songs are good enough. Neil Young is Canadian.  |
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