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Post by Bonehead's Barber on May 9, 2015 8:45:00 GMT -5
I've never really paid too much attention to this gig up until now. Obviously I know the story behind it and everything else, but I've just not listened to it properly before. I do think this had a huge impact on Oasis' perception in the USA. I also think Noel does very well in it.
Might well be the stupidest question asked on this forum... but that's a risk I'm willing to take! Do you think it is good as it is, or would you rather Liam sung? Post below why you think what you think!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 8:57:21 GMT -5
I really wish Liam had sung. I love the acoustic radio sessions from 1993 and I think this would have been even better.
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Post by tatomoon on May 9, 2015 9:01:30 GMT -5
If Liam did Unplugged and/or didn't disgrace himself at the VMAs, Oasis would have had a #1 album in the USA.
If he hadn't been out drinking prior to the concert, it would have sounded fantastic as well.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on May 9, 2015 9:05:05 GMT -5
i think noel carried this really well for a guy that wasnt the singer,,,,liam was just being liam y'know a fuckin bellend
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 9, 2015 9:07:44 GMT -5
If Liam did Unplugged and/or didn't disgrace himself at the VMAs, Oasis would have had a #1 album in the USA. If he hadn't been out drinking prior to the concert, it would have sounded fantastic as well. I'm not sure it would have resulted in a USA #1 album. Morning Glory was already out for 10 months, Be Here Now wouldn't be out for another year at that point. Plus Liam still acted like a clown at the VMAs two weeks later and then arrived late to the U.S. Tour and Noel had to do vocals for a gig or two. |
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Post by headshrinker84 on May 9, 2015 9:23:28 GMT -5
Yeah Liam really fucked the band with this and the VMA's performance.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 9, 2015 10:12:01 GMT -5
Noel did well. Liam was drunk and probably would have made a fool of himself anyway.
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Post by leak4ever on May 9, 2015 10:38:51 GMT -5
Not really a fair question is it? You're asking whether Liam would have sounded better than Noel when it was Liam who bailed on Noel moments before going on air, leaving Noel no time to prepare.
Turn the situation around. Imagine if Noel had bailed on the group and it was left to Liam to sing and play guitar, with no preparation time. Can't imagine it would have sounded too good.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 10:53:13 GMT -5
I don't know, I'm sure Noel would've sang Listen Up, Morning Glory, Wonderwall and Whatever.
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Post by Jim on May 9, 2015 11:28:41 GMT -5
Not really a fair question is it? You're asking whether Liam would have sounded better than Noel when it was Liam who bailed on Noel moments before going on air, leaving Noel no time to prepare. Turn the situation around. Imagine if Noel had bailed on the group and it was left to Liam to sing and play guitar, with no preparation time. Can't imagine it would have sounded too good. You mean like when Noel walked out during the Giants tour and the band had to draft in Matt Deighton at the last minute and Gem having to learn all the remaining lead guitar parts? |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 9, 2015 11:30:19 GMT -5
Gem took over a lot of lead guitar anyway.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 9, 2015 11:40:32 GMT -5
I don't know, I'm sure Noel would've sang Listen Up, Morning Glory, Wonderwall and Whatever. I'm pretty sure Liam would have sung all songs outside The Masterplan and Don't Look Back In Anger. Talk Tonight might have been added at the last moment. Who knows. Noel did a fantastic job but one wonders what might have been with a non bender Liam singing a full acoustic set in his absolute prime vocally.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 14:53:10 GMT -5
I don't know, I'm sure Noel would've sang Listen Up, Morning Glory, Wonderwall and Whatever. I'm pretty sure Liam would have sung all songs outside The Masterplan and Don't Look Back In Anger. Talk Tonight might have been added at the last moment. Who knows. Noel did a fantastic job but one wonders what might have been with a non bender Liam singing a full acoustic set in his absolute prime vocally. Noel added Talk Tonight instead of (It's Good) To Be Free, I still think that Noel sung Morning Glory, Wonderwall maybe because Liam sung it at Knebworth, |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 9, 2015 16:05:51 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Liam would have sung all songs outside The Masterplan and Don't Look Back In Anger. Talk Tonight might have been added at the last moment. Who knows. Noel did a fantastic job but one wonders what might have been with a non bender Liam singing a full acoustic set in his absolute prime vocally. Noel added Talk Tonight instead of (It's Good) To Be Free, I still think that Noel sung Morning Glory, Wonderwall maybe because Liam sung it at Knebworth, In 1996, things were much more interesting with Liam signing all the songs basically. It's bad TV to just have Liam sitting around during Noel songs. |
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Post by allingoodtime on May 9, 2015 16:31:09 GMT -5
At the time Noel's voice wasn't as good as it is now, and vice versa for Liam.
Would have sounded much better with Liam on the mic
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on May 9, 2015 17:34:01 GMT -5
Not really a fair question is it? You're asking whether Liam would have sounded better than Noel when it was Liam who bailed on Noel moments before going on air, leaving Noel no time to prepare. Turn the situation around. Imagine if Noel had bailed on the group and it was left to Liam to sing and play guitar, with no preparation time. Can't imagine it would have sounded too good. Not really the same though is it? I point out that Noel has done well in the gig to start with. Also, it's not like Noel had never sung before in his life. He wrote all of the songs and every gig he sang about 3/4 songs (in fact he would have sang around that many, were Liam to have done it). As well as this, Liam doesn't play guitar so your argument is a bit invalid. It's a hypothetical question, that's all. |
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Post by leak4ever on May 10, 2015 4:10:56 GMT -5
Not really a fair question is it? You're asking whether Liam would have sounded better than Noel when it was Liam who bailed on Noel moments before going on air, leaving Noel no time to prepare. Turn the situation around. Imagine if Noel had bailed on the group and it was left to Liam to sing and play guitar, with no preparation time. Can't imagine it would have sounded too good. You mean like when Noel walked out during the Giants tour and the band had to draft in Matt Deighton at the last minute and Gem having to learn all the remaining lead guitar parts? Exactly, so to then compare that to proper Oasis would be a bit unfair don't you think? |
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Post by leak4ever on May 10, 2015 4:13:48 GMT -5
Not really a fair question is it? You're asking whether Liam would have sounded better than Noel when it was Liam who bailed on Noel moments before going on air, leaving Noel no time to prepare. Turn the situation around. Imagine if Noel had bailed on the group and it was left to Liam to sing and play guitar, with no preparation time. Can't imagine it would have sounded too good. Not really the same though is it? I point out that Noel has done well in the gig to start with. Also, it's not like Noel had never sung before in his life. He wrote all of the songs and every gig he sang about 3/4 songs (in fact he would have sang around that many, were Liam to have done it). As well as this, Liam doesn't play guitar so your argument is a bit invalid. It's a hypothetical question, that's all. Doesn't matter. The conditions were still far from ideal for Noel. One thing that is probably true though is that Liam pulling out made the gig more legendary. |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on May 10, 2015 5:05:45 GMT -5
Not really the same though is it? I point out that Noel has done well in the gig to start with. Also, it's not like Noel had never sung before in his life. He wrote all of the songs and every gig he sang about 3/4 songs (in fact he would have sang around that many, were Liam to have done it). As well as this, Liam doesn't play guitar so your argument is a bit invalid. It's a hypothetical question, that's all. Doesn't matter. The conditions were still far from ideal for Noel. One thing that is probably true though is that Liam pulling out made the gig more legendary. I've not said anywhere in my post that Noel should have done well or not. It's a simple question mate. You don't need to answer it if it's too difficult  |
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Post by scott1 on May 10, 2015 6:20:11 GMT -5
I do wish Liam would have sung but I think this is one of the stand-out Oasis shows because of how he ended up not singing, Noel then really shone through.
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Post by PassMeDownTheTonicWine on May 10, 2015 7:48:08 GMT -5
I would have preferred it if Liam did sing. However, credit to Noel. He performed very well especially being told moments before that he would be singing all of it.
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Post by tatomoon on May 10, 2015 9:03:32 GMT -5
If Liam did Unplugged and/or didn't disgrace himself at the VMAs, Oasis would have had a #1 album in the USA. If he hadn't been out drinking prior to the concert, it would have sounded fantastic as well. I'm not sure it would have resulted in a USA #1 album. Morning Glory was already out for 10 months, Be Here Now wouldn't be out for another year at that point. Plus Liam still acted like a clown at the VMAs two weeks later and then arrived late to the U.S. Tour and Noel had to do vocals for a gig or two. While this is true, the indifference they showed towards America with Unplugged, VMAs and yes arriving late for the tour... that really put a lot of people off them in the US, so what I'm saying is Be Here Now would have probably got to #1 had they not had those controversies |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 10, 2015 9:54:50 GMT -5
There are more factors than Unplugged that made them not as big in America as they should have been.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 10, 2015 10:48:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure it would have resulted in a USA #1 album. Morning Glory was already out for 10 months, Be Here Now wouldn't be out for another year at that point. Plus Liam still acted like a clown at the VMAs two weeks later and then arrived late to the U.S. Tour and Noel had to do vocals for a gig or two. While this is true, the indifference they showed towards America with Unplugged, VMAs and yes arriving late for the tour... that really put a lot of people off them in the US, so what I'm saying is Be Here Now would have probably got to #1 had they not had those controversies A 6 minute radio/video single in July 1997. Didn't help matters either. Came into the charts with a lot of hype but after that and the video premier on MTV/VH1 it sank like a stone. They got to #2 in America on pure hype and the success that Morning Glory afforded them. |
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Post by liamg4life on May 10, 2015 12:50:33 GMT -5
MTV has the whole gig recorded with Liam singing. There was an interview with MTV, must be on YouTube somewhere, where he says that they considered showing the Liam sung version and showing crowd shots from the Noel performance.
So, somewhere in the MTV vaults is a Liam sung MTV unplugged.
The setlist for the gig was the following (if Liam had sung)
Hello
Some might say
Live forever
Listen up
The masterplan
Don'took back in anger
It's good to be free
Morning Glory (Liam sung)
Round our way
Cast no shadow
Whatever
Wonderwall
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