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Post by Lennon2217 on May 3, 2015 12:28:28 GMT -5
I agree. By 2000 his voice had changed a lot, but I think until 2002 he still sounded alright. After that it went downhill and you all know it. And it's not age either. I get that you don't sound the same at 40 as you did when you were 20, but there are more factors here. Blablabla you all know it. I've said it many times before but I have seen many artist over the years, many many times and their vocals still sound the same as they did 20 years ago. People like.... - Eddie Vedder - Michael Stipe - Thom Yorke - Chris Martin - Jeff Tweedy - Beck - Billy Corgan - Damon Albarn I envy these guys don't have the vocal degeneration that Liam has battled.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 12:33:02 GMT -5
I agree. By 2000 his voice had changed a lot, but I think until 2002 he still sounded alright. After that it went downhill and you all know it. And it's not age either. I get that you don't sound the same at 40 as you did when you were 20, but there are more factors here. Blablabla you all know it. I've said it many times before but I have seen many artist over the years, many many times and their vocals still sound the same as they did 20 years ago. People like.... - Eddie Vedder - Michael Stipe - Thom Yorke - Chris Martin - Jeff Tweedy - Beck - Billy Corgan - Damon Albarn I envy these guys don't have the vocal degeneration that Liam has battled. You can add Dave Gilmour and Morrissey to that list.
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Post by icebreath on May 3, 2015 12:41:48 GMT -5
I agree. By 2000 his voice had changed a lot, but I think until 2002 he still sounded alright. After that it went downhill and you all know it. And it's not age either. I get that you don't sound the same at 40 as you did when you were 20, but there are more factors here. Blablabla you all know it. I've said it many times before but I have seen many artist over the years, many many times and their vocals still sound the same as they did 20 years ago. People like.... - Eddie Vedder - Michael Stipe - Thom Yorke - Chris Martin - Jeff Tweedy - Beck - Billy Corgan - Damon Albarn I envy these guys don't have the vocal degeneration that Liam has battled. These singers do not have the same vocal style as Liam. Liam strained his vocal cords because he mostly sang with his throat without having the proper technical education and vocal warm up. His technique damaged his vocal cords. Nor age nor drugs or alcohol. Those strained his vocal cords more but they weren't the most important factor. If you compare Liam with other singers you should compare him with others that have the same vocal style. Chester Bennington from Linkin Park or Lemmy from Motorhead spring to my mind They both don't have the same voice they had in the start of their careers.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 3, 2015 13:48:34 GMT -5
You could spend the rest of eternity debating the merits of Liam's voice. And many on here have tried and will continue to do so. Oh yes, it's one of those ongoing discussions, like the whole Noel/Liam thing. It will never stop, never stop never stop, never stop. Sorry, had Start Me Up by The Stones stuck in my head.
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Post by World71R on May 3, 2015 14:02:11 GMT -5
It's still better than most but it's not the same as his silky smooth vocals of 1994 to 1998. 1994 was his peak vocal year, for me. It felt like he was actually singing, he had little to no strain at all, and plus, he had his falsetto, which was important for quite a few early songs (Live Forever, Slide Away, Up in the Sky, Columbia), and substance to the songs that you just didn't get as time progressed. A good example of all that is the Gleneagles gig they did in 1994. Liam sounds unbelievable, and I'd argue it's his best live vocal performance.
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Post by World71R on May 3, 2015 14:14:42 GMT -5
You could spend the rest of eternity debating the merits of Liam's voice. And many on here have tried and will continue to do so. Oh yes, it's one of those ongoing discussions, like the whole Noel/Liam thing. It will never stop, never stop never stop, never stop. Sorry, had Start Me Up by The Stones stuck in my head. Speaking of which, it's interesting how things have progressed for the brothers and what suits them vocally. It seems like, in the early days, Liam seemed versatile, with how he nailed the rocking tunes and added power to some of the ballads & down-tempo songs (like Slide Away and Rockin' Chair), while Noel could do the slower, more acoustic songs and ballads (like Don't Look Back in Anger and Sad Song), but now it's almost opposite. The Abbey Road Acoustic Sessions with Beady Eye definitely proved that Liam's forte had become acoustic performances, with how that was one of his best vocal performances of the last 15 years for him. I'm not saying he can't knock a rocking song out of the park, because Flick of the Finger and Four Letter Word would quickly contradict that, but I'm saying that acoustic performances seem to suit him more because it requires less strain, and as a result, less of a resting period. I'd love for him to do a "Liam Gallagher & Friends" acoustic project because I think he could pull out some nice tunes with some help from others, and also have some really nice vocal performances, too. Plus, I think any sort of acoustic tour would be great for Liam, with how it'd be more intimate with us fans, and he seems like he's great a people person to chat with fans.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on May 3, 2015 16:57:35 GMT -5
It's still better than most but it's not the same as his silky smooth vocals of 1994 to 1998. 1994 was his peak vocal year, for me. It felt like he was actually singing, he had little to no strain at all, and plus, he had his falsetto, which was important for quite a few early songs (Live Forever, Slide Away, Up in the Sky, Columbia), and substance to the songs that you just didn't get as time progressed. A good example of all that is the Gleneagles gig they did in 1994. Liam sounds unbelievable, and I'd argue it's his best live vocal performance. i agree with you about the gleneagles gig he sounds amazing best ever versions of supersonic and bring it on down for me
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 17:00:44 GMT -5
1994 is my favourite era as well for his vocals. He does sound fantastic at Gleneagles but I think his best vocal performance was at Glastonbury 1994.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 17:02:41 GMT -5
I still think that he and the rest of oasis were stupid to go on the ridiculously long tours during 02 and 05 when Liam clearly needed to start doing less dates and / or taking a hatius to rest up.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 3, 2015 17:29:16 GMT -5
Well it's not the rest of the band's fault Liam didn't take care of his voice, used a weird standing position and didn't turn up for soundchecks. There were actually more people in Oasis.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on May 3, 2015 18:40:18 GMT -5
Let's be honest, there's no upside at all to Liam's voice these days. I love when people make justifications for his vocal performances post 2000. Let's be honest, it's almost an entirely different voice. Compare it to bootlegs from 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997 and 1998. His voice was almost heavenly. So smooth, so unique. It sounded amazing. It was effortless. These days it sounds like he is straining to be the voice he once was. Sure he has his moments but it's a fight to get there. Interesting that you say completely different voice. Do you mean on record too? Because I think anyone would know if Liam Gallagher came on the radio. Even now I'd garuntee anyone would know. Ive always said the same when it comes to Liam's voice. His 90s voice was exactly a singing voice, it was relied solely on that power. However I do think he changed the way he sings too. I'm pretty sure he hates his own vocals on songs like whatever and wonderwall and I think he changed it to sound less like that snarl and more Lennon like. Less Lyndon more Lennon is maybe what I'm trying to say. Alot of people say on here there's no need for oasis reunion (noel does oasis songs etc etc) but that Shock Of The Lightning performance is fucking brilliant. That pisses all over any BE or HFB performance for me and it isn't even in Oasis top 50 songs IMO. A band on top of their game. If we get anything like that from an Oasis reunion then how can you not want it?
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on May 3, 2015 18:45:28 GMT -5
I agree. By 2000 his voice had changed a lot, but I think until 2002 he still sounded alright. After that it went downhill and you all know it. And it's not age either. I get that you don't sound the same at 40 as you did when you were 20, but there are more factors here. Blablabla you all know it. I've said it many times before but I have seen many artist over the years, many many times and their vocals still sound the same as they did 20 years ago. People like.... - Eddie Vedder - Michael Stipe - Thom Yorke - Chris Martin - Jeff Tweedy - Beck - Billy Corgan - Damon Albarn I envy these guys don't have the vocal degeneration that Liam has battled. You've listed some great artists there. But if you think Damon Alburn prancing around singing Parklife and Tender is the same as singing Rock N Roll Star and Acquiesce for 20 years, alrighty then.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on May 3, 2015 18:48:27 GMT -5
Well it's not the rest of the band's fault Liam didn't take care of his voice, used a weird standing position and didn't turn up for soundchecks. There were actually more people in Oasis. I'd argue Noel did very little to help him. You cannot tell me Beady Eye didnt get the levels of vocals far better than latter year Oasis. Noel probably gave less of a shit about that tour than anyone though so maybe not surprising
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Post by Manualex on May 3, 2015 18:53:32 GMT -5
Well it's not the rest of the band's fault Liam didn't take care of his voice, used a weird standing position and didn't turn up for soundchecks. There were actually more people in Oasis. I'd argue Noel did very little to help him. You cannot tell me Beady Eye didnt get the levels of vocals far better than latter year Oasis. Noel probably gave less of a shit about that tour than anyone though so maybe not surprising The attack in Toronto changes the mood of Noel, After it he was in automatic mode.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 18:56:13 GMT -5
I dont think Noel would come out and say it but Liams voice is probably a reason why hes sceptical for a reunion, because at the end of the day its got the most riding on it, if they did a greatest hits tour and Liam sounds amazing, rave reviews, if they did a greatest hits tour and Liam fell flat or couldnt be bothered then its going to go down a disappointment, its Liam who has to bring those songs to life and could he possibly meet the hype?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 18:58:05 GMT -5
I've just read that Bruce Springsteen actually insured his vocal chords. Are you reading this Liam?
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Post by Binary Sunset on May 3, 2015 19:05:16 GMT -5
Unfortunately there is no upside to Liam's vocal change. It was perfect, now it's occasionally great.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on May 3, 2015 20:02:37 GMT -5
I dont think Noel would come out and say it but Liams voice is probably a reason why hes sceptical for a reunion, because at the end of the day its got the most riding on it, if they did a greatest hits tour and Liam sounds amazing, rave reviews, if they did a greatest hits tour and Liam fell flat or couldnt be bothered then its going to go down a disappointment, its Liam who has to bring those songs to life and could he possibly meet the hype? I think if Oasis return the tour should be big gigs, short amount of time and then we will see the energy of early day Beady Eye combined with the spine tingling chemistry of the Gallaghers back together again. That would be magical and its worth seeing. It has to happen.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 3, 2015 21:35:57 GMT -5
I love when people make justifications for his vocal performances post 2000. Let's be honest, it's almost an entirely different voice. Compare it to bootlegs from 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997 and 1998. His voice was almost heavenly. So smooth, so unique. It sounded amazing. It was effortless. These days it sounds like he is straining to be the voice he once was. Sure he has his moments but it's a fight to get there. Interesting that you say completely different voice. Do you mean on record too? Because I think anyone would know if Liam Gallagher came on the radio. Even now I'd garuntee anyone would know. Ive always said the same when it comes to Liam's voice. His 90s voice was exactly a singing voice, it was relied solely on that power. However I do think he changed the way he sings too. I'm pretty sure he hates his own vocals on songs like whatever and wonderwall and I think he changed it to sound less like that snarl and more Lennon like. Less Lyndon more Lennon is maybe what I'm trying to say. Alot of people say on here there's no need for oasis reunion (noel does oasis songs etc etc) but that Shock Of The Lightning performance is fucking brilliant. That pisses all over any BE or HFB performance for me and it isn't even in Oasis top 50 songs IMO. A band on top of their game. If we get anything like that from an Oasis reunion then how can you not want it? My posts in this thread were intended to be live Liam only. However, Liam does sound almost crystal clear during the Morning Glory era. Breath taking really.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 3, 2015 21:40:52 GMT -5
I've said it many times before but I have seen many artist over the years, many many times and their vocals still sound the same as they did 20 years ago. People like.... - Eddie Vedder - Michael Stipe - Thom Yorke - Chris Martin - Jeff Tweedy - Beck - Billy Corgan - Damon Albarn I envy these guys don't have the vocal degeneration that Liam has battled. You've listed some great artists there. But if you think Damon Alburn prancing around singing Parklife and Tender is the same as singing Rock N Roll Star and Acquiesce for 20 years, alrighty then. My post had nothing to do with the context of the songs they sing, just about the quality of voice being heard 20 years later. A lot of those guys have songs where they shout or scream. Hasn't impacted them that much in 2015. A good person to compare Liam with is Robert Plant in latter era Zeppelin. Somewhere around 1975 Robert lost a lot of dynamic range in his voice. It wasn't as perfect and high pitched as it was on Zeppelin I to IV. Something changed. He then changed. Those early Zeppelin howls were gone forever.
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Post by World71R on May 3, 2015 22:11:35 GMT -5
You've listed some great artists there. But if you think Damon Alburn prancing around singing Parklife and Tender is the same as singing Rock N Roll Star and Acquiesce for 20 years, alrighty then. My post had nothing to do with the context of the songs they sing, just about the quality of voice being heard 20 years later. A lot of those guys have songs where they shout or scream. Hasn't impacted them that much in 2015. A good person to compare Liam with is Robert Plant in latter era Zeppelin. Somewhere around 1975 Robert lost a lot of dynamic range in his voice. It wasn't as perfect and high pitched as it was on Zeppelin I to IV. Something changed. He then changed. Those early Zeppelin howls were gone forever. Another good example of someone who shouts or howls in songs, like in Plant's case, is Eddie Vedder, one of the guys you mentioned. Some of the big hits off of Ten, like Alive and Even Flow, sound like they could be a pain on the voice, but somehow they come out smooth, similar to how Liam was in the early years of Oasis. It's a shame that he didn't follow the same path that Vedder did in vocal care and technique...
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 3, 2015 22:24:30 GMT -5
My post had nothing to do with the context of the songs they sing, just about the quality of voice being heard 20 years later. A lot of those guys have songs where they shout or scream. Hasn't impacted them that much in 2015. A good person to compare Liam with is Robert Plant in latter era Zeppelin. Somewhere around 1975 Robert lost a lot of dynamic range in his voice. It wasn't as perfect and high pitched as it was on Zeppelin I to IV. Something changed. He then changed. Those early Zeppelin howls were gone forever. Another good example of someone who shouts or howls in songs, like in Plant's case, is Eddie Vedder, one of the guys you mentioned. Some of the big hits off of Ten, like Alive and Even Flow, sound like they could be a pain on the voice, but somehow they come out smooth, similar to how Liam was in the early years of Oasis. It's a shame that he didn't follow the same path that Vedder did in vocal care and technique... I've seen Eddie belt out in concert songs like Spin The Black Circle, Go, Animal, Do The Evolution and Alive then follow that up by doing Just Breathe, Nothingman and Elderly Woman Behind The Counter In A Small Town. Also keep in mind this was during Pearl Jam's normal 3 hour, 35 song sets!!!!! Amazing.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 3, 2015 22:46:49 GMT -5
Liam's voice. It's just sad to think about really. I think Liam would still be successful if he could consistently sing. Maybe even Oasis wouldn't have split. I mean, it's got to be embarrassing going up on stage in front of thousands and then sound like trash even when doing your best. Something like that could easily turn to aggression.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on May 4, 2015 0:13:56 GMT -5
You've listed some great artists there. But if you think Damon Alburn prancing around singing Parklife and Tender is the same as singing Rock N Roll Star and Acquiesce for 20 years, alrighty then. My post had nothing to do with the context of the songs they sing, just about the quality of voice being heard 20 years later. A lot of those guys have songs where they shout or scream. Hasn't impacted them that much in 2015. A good person to compare Liam with is Robert Plant in latter era Zeppelin. Somewhere around 1975 Robert lost a lot of dynamic range in his voice. It wasn't as perfect and high pitched as it was on Zeppelin I to IV. Something changed. He then changed. Those early Zeppelin howls were gone forever. In someone like Damon Alburns case though, he has just maintained his very mediocre voice. He was never blessed with stunning vocals in the same league as Liam. 1994-97 Liam was never going to sound the same as he aged because anyone listening to that voice can hear its sheer youthfulness and power. Its totally reliant on that. I think what you also have to remember is how much it proves Liam and the rest of Oasis (probably barring Noel to a degree) were truly just lads off the estate with no professional insight or sense of playing the game as it were. They just had it. Paying the price now maybe but without it, Oasis wouldn't have been Oasis
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 4, 2015 6:08:16 GMT -5
My post had nothing to do with the context of the songs they sing, just about the quality of voice being heard 20 years later. A lot of those guys have songs where they shout or scream. Hasn't impacted them that much in 2015. A good person to compare Liam with is Robert Plant in latter era Zeppelin. Somewhere around 1975 Robert lost a lot of dynamic range in his voice. It wasn't as perfect and high pitched as it was on Zeppelin I to IV. Something changed. He then changed. Those early Zeppelin howls were gone forever. In someone like Damon Alburns case though, he has just maintained his very mediocre voice. He was never blessed with stunning vocals in the same league as Liam. 1994-97 Liam was never going to sound the same as he aged because anyone listening to that voice can hear its sheer youthfulness and power. Its totally reliant on that. I think what you also have to remember is how much it proves Liam and the rest of Oasis (probably barring Noel to a degree) were truly just lads off the estate with no professional insight or sense of playing the game as it were. They just had it. Paying the price now maybe but without it, Oasis wouldn't have been Oasis Pearl Jam didn't really play the game either. No music videos after 1992. No singles after 1992. Sued Ticketmaster. Eddie drinking a bottle of wine every night on stage, something he still does today. Didn't do late night shows for over a decade. Just 5 unemployment guys from Seattle looking to make waves. It's the typical rock n roll story. Liam is the musical Roy Batty.
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