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Post by Jessica on May 24, 2015 16:08:40 GMT -5
I love how the vocals are paced throughout the song. Love how it builds up to "When your heart gets shattered...". I don't think one or the other, the instrumental bits or vocal, work without the other.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on May 24, 2015 22:56:27 GMT -5
If you took away all of that, what you're left with is Noel's vocal. I don't really see your point. I do see his point. In songwriting terms, if you play this song on acousitc guitar and sing it, it's a fuckin' High Horse Lady. The song itself is hardly an amazing composition, it's the recording, arrangement and instrumentation that makes it interesting. Thank you for explaining to those riding the Noely G bandwagon. Wasn't slagging the song off at all. I have grown to like it alot more. But in terms of composition. He has been doing the very harmonic verses combined with those sorts of bridges and choruses a hell of a lot in the last ten years. I think the main point I was trying to make is its seen as a sort of revolutionary song by some and a change in direction for him as a songwriter. I just think he's used a concept from the sessions with AA, from an otherwise noel by numbers piece of songwriting. |
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Post by andymorris on May 25, 2015 2:48:56 GMT -5
It's a basic chord progression, just a coincidence. That Air record is ace, too bad the rest of their records didn't live up the hype i don't think they ever made music for to entice hype. They made they wanted to make . They made an album based on on 1900's silent film i don't think they were going for mass consumption (thats after their follow up to moon safari was an indie movie soundtrack) Probably yeah. But to me musically, they never did better than this record and maybe the previous one, Premiers Symptomes. Virigin Suicide soundtrack is ok too |
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Post by Gas Panic on May 25, 2015 3:01:52 GMT -5
The more I think about it the more I think this should be the next single
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Post by natureofreality on May 25, 2015 3:32:25 GMT -5
Gotta say, its one of my favourites off the album. but it's a certain type of song - it'd be hard to drive forward promotion with that as a lead single or an opening track. it's one of those songs that's meant to be underrated, which is something that Noel is absolutely genius at doing. i cant think of an era without at least one of these songs. It's one for the connoisseurs.
That being said, I do get a kind of SOTSOG closer vibe, not quite as anthemic as Roll It Over, but its got a very Cadency feel - very final, would make a better closer than BOTMI in my opinion - it keeps building and building, despite being sparse, and then that awesome guitar work comes in. the first version i heard was a bootleg that cuts off 45 seconds from the end, and the 3 weeks i had to wait to hear the last of that guitar and sax was incredibly difficult to get though;)
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Post by Let It🩸 on May 25, 2015 4:40:19 GMT -5
We need to talk about eva... Gracias. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 25, 2015 6:22:32 GMT -5
I do see his point. In songwriting terms, if you play this song on acousitc guitar and sing it, it's a fuckin' High Horse Lady. The song itself is hardly an amazing composition, it's the recording, arrangement and instrumentation that makes it interesting. Thank you for explaining to those riding the Noely G bandwagon. Wasn't slagging the song off at all. I have grown to like it alot more. But in terms of composition. He has been doing the very harmonic verses combined with those sorts of bridges and choruses a hell of a lot in the last ten years. I think the main point I was trying to make is its seen as a sort of revolutionary song by some and a change in direction for him as a songwriter. I just think he's used a concept from the sessions with AA, from an otherwise noel by numbers piece of songwriting. Don't think anyone would accuse me of being on a Noel bandwagon. It doesn't matter if its roots are conventional the end product is different for Noel. Its not a songwriter changing his entire approach to music but maybe just stretching his legs a little bit. |
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Post by paperbackwriter on May 25, 2015 11:36:15 GMT -5
Ive read a lot of members here complaining of how Noel doesnt try anything new or leave his comfort zone... Or how they wish they could hear AAs album...
Newsflash: If you dont like the right stuff, you dont like Noel experimenting
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Post by leak4ever on May 25, 2015 11:44:52 GMT -5
Ive read a lot of members here complaining of how Noel doesnt try anything new or leave his comfort zone... Or how they wish they could hear AAs album... Newsflash: If you dont like the right stuff, you dont like Noel experimenting There's no such thing as a "comfort zone". It's a fictitious concept created by critics as a tool to denigrate musicians who have an actual identity. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on May 25, 2015 12:24:43 GMT -5
As experimental as the Right Stuff might be, a full album of that sort of song would not go down well at all and I think Noel knows that.
Noels at the stage of his career where he's playing arenas and giving those crowds the anthems they want to hear. 11 new experimental songs would add nothing to a set because there are way too many casual fans for Noel/Oasis.
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Post by Let It🩸 on May 25, 2015 13:08:56 GMT -5
We're all much, much, much, dumber because of this thread.
Thanks.
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Post by mossy on May 25, 2015 16:26:01 GMT -5
Well one thing we can all agree on is that Liam totally stole his mic stance from Lemmy...
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Post by jaq515 on May 25, 2015 16:40:14 GMT -5
Ive read a lot of members here complaining of how Noel doesnt try anything new or leave his comfort zone... Or how they wish they could hear AAs album... Newsflash: If you dont like the right stuff, you dont like Noel experimenting There's no such thing as a "comfort zone". It's a fictitious concept created by critics as a tool to denigrate musicians who have an actual identity. i'd disagree it is just a 'job '(which sure noel has said it's his job /work). In all walks of life at work many many people do what they've always done to achieve the results they've always got which can be classed as 'comfort zone'. Noels 'job' is writing anthemic type songs to achieve arena type crowds.. Is amazing he can do that after 20 years and is what he's choosing to do, and i'm sure many artists wish they could stay in their 'zone' and stay relevant. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on May 25, 2015 19:16:45 GMT -5
Its annoying to hear critics say Noel never dares to go out of a comfort zone because I'd argue when Oasis did try to take a new route their songs started to have less appeal.
Slag off HC all you want for trying to replicate MG but 20,000 are going to sing along to every word of little by little, stop crying your heart out and songbird.
As much as I liked a lot of DOYS, any song off that album live was seen as a time to go for a piss by everyone round me.
Then Noel comes back with a solo album with songs like EOTR AND IIHAG and its anthems that slot right into the set with the likes of DLBIA and the rest. That's where Noels at and he should stick to it until the day he dies
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Post by mossy on May 26, 2015 3:26:14 GMT -5
It's no A Simple Game Of Genius Only Simon & Garfunkel are allowed to sing about Cecilia. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 7:46:35 GMT -5
i still enjoy 'the right stuff' as much as the day i first heard it.
question: is 4) 'lock all the doors' 5) 'the dying of the light' and 6) 'the right stuff' one of the best/strongest back to back to back 1-2-3 punches of any gallagher-offering ever? i certainly think the argument can be made.
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Post by Wolf on May 30, 2015 8:02:18 GMT -5
It's no A Simple Game Of Genius Indeed. It's better. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 30, 2015 8:03:54 GMT -5
i still enjoy 'the right stuff' as much as the day i first heard it. question: is 4) 'lock all the doors' 5) 'the dying of the light' and 6) 'the right stuff' one of the best/strongest back to back to back 1-2-3 punches of any gallagher-offering ever? i certainly think the argument can be made. I don't know man, I think DM and MG are fill of good back to back punches and FITB+Go Let It Out+Who Feels Love isn't bad either. Or Bag It Up+The Turning+whatever it is that comes after it. |
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Post by carlober on May 30, 2015 8:21:59 GMT -5
i still enjoy 'the right stuff' as much as the day i first heard it. question: is 4) 'lock all the doors' 5) 'the dying of the light' and 6) 'the right stuff' one of the best/strongest back to back to back 1-2-3 punches of any gallagher-offering ever? i certainly think the argument can be made. You might have a point there. I can't think of a better 1-2-3 on any Oasis/BE/HFB album except for Columbia-Supersonic-Bring It On Down on DM. FITB-GLIO-Who Feels Love is another good one, as is Bag It Up-The Turning-Waiting For the Rapture, even if I'm not the biggest fan of FITB or the album version of WFTR. Personally I love also Wonderwall-DLBIA-Hey Now, but I understand that Hey Now can't really be compared to the previous tracks... even if I think it's fucking great on a summer afternoon when you're having a beer in the garden  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 30, 2015 8:26:09 GMT -5
I like Roll With It-Wonderwall-DLBIA too.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 8:34:34 GMT -5
i still enjoy 'the right stuff' as much as the day i first heard it. question: is 4) 'lock all the doors' 5) 'the dying of the light' and 6) 'the right stuff' one of the best/strongest back to back to back 1-2-3 punches of any gallagher-offering ever? i certainly think the argument can be made. I don't know man, I think DM and MG are fill of good back to back punches and FITB+Go Let It Out+Who Feels Love isn't bad either. Or Bag It Up+The Turning+whatever it is that comes after it. now of course when you're talking dm and mg you could probably pick more than one set/combination of three.... i'll give you those two. i will even give you fitb/glio/wfl. can't give you bag it up/turning/rapture, as i never cared too much for bag it up. i would rather go turning/rapture/shock. why this trio of chasing yesterday tracks stands out to me... even though noel claims that 'the riverman' is one of the best songs he's ever written (really?) ... i point to the 'dying of the light' as being THE one stand-out track from the album. actually i give tdotl 10/10 and 'the right stuff' 9/10. and 'lock all the doors'... well it just has the classic oasis sound, right from the beginning when the howling guitar kicks in it takes you right back to the good old days.  hope what i just tried to say makes sense. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 8:40:10 GMT -5
what the hell, i've given it a fair enough sampling by now, i'll even bump 'the right stuff' up to 10/10. |
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Post by underneaththesky on May 30, 2015 9:31:10 GMT -5
Some Might Say
Talk Tonight
Acquiesce
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 30, 2015 9:34:39 GMT -5
I don't know man, I think DM and MG are fill of good back to back punches and FITB+Go Let It Out+Who Feels Love isn't bad either. Or Bag It Up+The Turning+whatever it is that comes after it. now of course when you're talking dm and mg you could probably pick more than one set/combination of three.... i'll give you those two. i will even give you fitb/glio/wfl. can't give you bag it up/turning/rapture, as i never cared too much for bag it up. i would rather go turning/rapture/shock. why this trio of chasing yesterday tracks stands out to me... even though noel claims that 'the riverman' is one of the best songs he's ever written (really?) ... i point to the 'dying of the light' as being THE one stand-out track from the album. actually i give tdotl 10/10 and 'the right stuff' 9/10. and 'lock all the doors'... well it just has the classic oasis sound, right from the beginning when the howling guitar kicks in it takes you right back to the good old days. hope what i just tried to say makes sense. Ballad Of The Mighty I and The Dying Of The Light are the best tracks for me on the album. It's as if everything is in the right place with those two. Production, instrumentation, lyrics, the mood of the songs..absolutely fantastic. Riverman is a good song, and I love it's mood, and the guitar solo is good, but there are at least 4 tracks on CY that I enjoy more. And that says a lot about this album. It's really strong, the only song that doesn't really do it for me is The Mexican, and even that one sounds kick ass live. Turning, Rapture, Shock is also a great one. I think on DOYS you can also make more combinations of three, up until Falling Down. I think TBWTL is a good song, but FD doesn't really flow nicely into it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 16:15:06 GMT -5
The best three song run? That's a toughie...
Rock 'n' Roll Star - Shakermaker - Live Forever
Supersonic - Bring It On Down - Cigarettes & Alcohol
Stand By Me - I Hope, I Think, I Know - The Girl In The Dirty Shirt
The Turning - Waiting For The Rapture - The Shock Of The Lightning
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