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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 5:13:49 GMT -5
chasing yesterday is fantastic, I think its got bags of energy and really enjoyable to listen through but live? ahhhh not so much, Noels really not doing anything for me this time around, his vocals seem lazy and uninspiring, hes not bothering to hold notes in quite a few places, I dont know whether hes just struggling to hit the notes (do the damage seems to be a real struggle) in these newer songs or hes just not trying hard enough.
the bass player isnt doing a very good job on backing vocals, you know you cant go back and dying of the light are a real grind with him shouting along behind Noel when its not needed and the general instrumentals dont sound as professional and tight as last time (though the mexican and in the heat of the moment are damn cool), I just dont have much of a desire to listen to the live gigs much this time around.
Im not being a troll, its just my opinion so far, the magic of Noel seems to be missing so far, Im not getting the wow factor which is strange because the songs are so good.
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Post by Gas Panic on Apr 14, 2015 5:18:42 GMT -5
I kinda get what you mean to be honest. I didn't think he was too great at the O2 last month.
I'd say the album is a very solid 8 maybe 9/10 but the live experience for me at least was probably a 6 or 7 at best.
That version or Champagne supernova was absoultely brilliant though
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 5:23:09 GMT -5
My personal live experience was fantastic.
The only new song that sounded flat was Riverman but I didn't notice the bass player's backing vocals being poor. Noel seemed to be right up for it and so was the crowd.
Like you said, The Mexican and In The Heat Of The Moment were great and sounded much better than on the album.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 14, 2015 5:24:24 GMT -5
I think it sounds great. The songs that I didn't like that much were some of the highlights of the show (The Mexican and In The Heat Of The Moment).
I enjoyed all of the songs. Do The Damage was awesome, Stranded On The Wrong Beach was awesome, hearing The Masterplan..everything. The only song that didn't go down well was Riverman, strangely enough. At the gig I went to, Noel sounded great, and he was into it. It was fun to watch and fun to listen to. I must say that at some gigs he didn't sound that great, like in Paris, and in Dusseldorf you could clearly see he wasn't into it. One has to bear in mind that Noel was ill during a few gigs though.
My only complaints are Russell's backing vocals on Dying Of The Light (too high, woohoo's at the end are annoying), Tim's guitarsolo's sometimes (DLBIA acoustic, Champagne Supernova. He did nail the Riverman solo though, that must be said.) and the brass section not being loud enough.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 5:58:39 GMT -5
In The Heat Of The Moment and The Mexican are great live, Riverman boring
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 14, 2015 6:04:28 GMT -5
Watching something on Youtube is actually different from being there too, tbh.
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Post by andymorris on Apr 14, 2015 6:31:40 GMT -5
Most of the new songs aren't made for Arena, that's why they sound a bit bland, and tbh, they do. Those venues require rocking numbers.
The Mexican, Do the Damage and Lock all the Doors sound great live, the rest was / is kinda boring, although i like them on the record.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 14, 2015 6:36:17 GMT -5
I don't know, I actually think this tour has been better than the last?!
My live experience was incredible, I understand people saying Riverman sounds flat but I just love it so I couldn't give a damn about it
The Mexican and ITHOTM are fantastic and BOTMI, YKWCGB and LATD aren't far behind
Do The Damage is weird, I wasn't impressed watching performances on youtube, but I was blown away when I was at the gig, it's a great opener
TDOTL is the only one that live doesn't really do it for me
The HFB1 songs all sound great, I was surprised by how "anthemic" SOTWB has become
EOTR and WAL are unbelievable, IIHAG always gets a great reaction from the crowd, Dream On is good fun, even though I don't really rate it
TDOYAM yeah he struggles singing that one at times
The Oasis songs...well...
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 14, 2015 6:48:38 GMT -5
It all comes down to personal taste at the end tho You're saying they don't sound as tight and professional as on the laat tour, and that's true, but that's actually what is making this tour so enjoyable for me Anyway I saw him and he was fantastic, so whatever  |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 14, 2015 8:01:43 GMT -5
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Apr 14, 2015 9:38:05 GMT -5
I'd broken the seal during my gig in Glasgow so needed to piss about 6 times during the gig. During these piss breaks you could feel the arena shaking and bouncing and hear the singing and it sounded amazing, however during The Riverman it was flat. He also sounded a little bit crap during Do The Damage. Other than that, it was probably my favourite gig I've been to. He was on top form
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Post by norkbauer on Apr 14, 2015 11:16:09 GMT -5
Totally agree. I've listened to Paris and Dusseldorf bootlegs' a lot on the last days, and there is some boring details. The mainly fact that annoys me is the backing vocals from Russell. He's not doing a good job, mainly on Lock All the Doors, You Know You Can't Go Back and The Dying of the Light. His voice is too loud and he's look careless, isn't soft as the album. Maybe Tim should do this job, he's doing well on Ballad of the Mighty I.
Another fact that annoys me is the extreme security from Noel. I understand why The Right Stuff isn't on the set, but looks like he's not playing The Girl with X-Ray Eyes and While the Song Remains the Same for being too lazy.
If Noel took off his comfort zone on the album, live he continues being the same.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 14, 2015 11:21:06 GMT -5
In all fairness, those two were bad gigs. The worst of this tour so far. Noel was sick, the audience was crap..
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 14, 2015 11:26:13 GMT -5
He's not playing them live cause they tried and they don't sound good Guys,I don't wanna sound too pretentious,but from my personal experience,and I think lots of people on here would agree,if you're judging by those two shows you're missing something Then as I said I thought my live experience was incredible,and it would be good if as many people as possible coould enjoy it as much as I did,but I understand that's not how it works,so what matters is that I had a great time |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 11:56:15 GMT -5
Going to concerts are always gonna be a personal expierence ...... Oasis And especially NOEL LIVE will never crack my top 20 best ever concerts
To me especially OASIS was more about the event , KNEBWORTH and WEMBLEY are my two best concert events ever ...but as for the musical showman aspect , there very stiff ( by that I mean they don't move a lot , very little stage improvation )
Grant it i come from a different time when going to concerts meant not only was it a event but the acts also gave you a show , Be diamond DAVE with his martial arts , eddie with his finger tapping , bruce with his epic stage shows
Noel is not cut from that cloth ,so if that style is for you then. No doubt you will eat it up , like my @waitingforsally. But I can see where gleam is coming from , THERE was a old saying in the 80 s about attending" THE CARS "CONCERTS It was " why bother just play the LP and stare at your posters" Because onstage there very inaminate
Sorta how I felt seeing noel solo and with oasis ....Ii went for the event and had great fun. But the actual show ?? For me it was like listening to the lp ........ Not a critisism. Just live not earth shattering , and that's cool A lot of people love that style , Jjust not me and a lot from my era
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 14, 2015 12:07:33 GMT -5
I get what you're saying kalasI doesn't feel like that for me though,the whole experience is just something else Maybe it does sound like the record,well it doesn't but it's not that different either,but standing there singing my heart out to The Masterplan with thousends of people who love Noel as much as I do,closing the gig with "we're all part of the masterplan",it felt like kind of a religious experience,and no live act,not even the best in the world,will ever top that for me It's like watching your football team,they could play like shit,but I'd rather go and watch them at the stadium than go to the Camp Nou or to the Allianz Arena |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 12:14:33 GMT -5
I get what you're saying kalasI doesn't feel like that for me though,the whole experience is just something else Maybe it does sound like the record,well it doesn't but it's not that different either,but standing there singing my heart out to The Masterplan with thousends of people who love Noel as much as I do,closing the gig with "we're all part of the masterplan",it felt like kind of a religious experience,and no live act,not even the best in the world,will ever top that for me It's like watching your football team,they could play like shit,but I'd rather go and watch them at the stadium than go to the Camp Nou or to the Allianz Arena Totally agree  . Like I said its a personal expierence ( concert going ) ....I wouldn't trade my oasis live expierence for anything , but gig wise to me they are.....well average , they barely play 2 hours , they sorta punch there work clock Felt that way seeing noel to but that's me , I am more into higher energy shows , thst Doesent mean anything tho it's my preference , as seeing noel and singing along is yours. . I have sung along to masterplan many times ....... Live it is great , but was no world beater of a preformance To me ....im glad you enjoyed THATS what makes concert going so personal and fun |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 14, 2015 12:41:56 GMT -5
I was watching the Dusseldorf gig and that felt like Noel doing work to me. It looked as if he wanted to get out there as fast as possible. I didn't have that feeling when I went to see him. It looked and sounded as if he was really enjoying himself, and everyone else enjoyed it too. No he doesn't dance or jump around, but he doesn't have to. A bit of banter, the songs sounding good, some visuals and a good crowd are good enough for me. That made the Utrecht gig one of the best gigs I've ever been to (but because of the pushing not the most enjoyable).
How amazing is it to sing something like DLBIA with thousands of others?
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Post by Jessica on Apr 14, 2015 12:50:58 GMT -5
I remember the guy ahead of me kept looking back and cracking a smile every song because I was singing word for word.
Definitely an amazing experience to be with a bunch of other people singing the same songs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 12:58:47 GMT -5
I really dont know why though Noel and Liam and for that matter always have to be so safe in regard to their choices of oasis songs, beady eye was worse because all those guys played a lot of oasis songs so they didnt need to do much practice to knock out another song besides the usual suspects.
fair enough noel might want to play songs that everyone can singalong to but you would think that Noels been doing this for so long now that he might think what the heck heres rockin chair, I was excited for that fake setlist that had dyou know what I mean, I thought hes really pulling it out here, champagne supernova could be considered abit out there for noel but its not really.
playing it safe has always been will likely to continue to be my biggest frustration with the gallaghers, its a big factor as to why oasis got stale, throwing curve balls keeps it fresh, must get abit boring playing the same thing night in night out for years.
the only 2 times after about 2003 that I thought wow hey now whats this! was headshinker 05 (havnt heard it though) and my big mouth, otherwise pretty standard, shake it up!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 13:17:00 GMT -5
I really dont know why though Noel and Liam and for that matter always have to be so safe in regard to their choices of oasis songs, beady eye was worse because all those guys played a lot of oasis songs so they didnt need to do much practice to knock out another song besides the usual suspects. fair enough noel might want to play songs that everyone can singalong to but you would think that Noels been doing this for so long now that he might think what the heck heres rockin chair, I was excited for that fake setlist that had dyou know what I mean, I thought hes really pulling it out here, champagne supernova could be considered abit out there for noel but its not really. playing it safe has always been will likely to continue to be my biggest frustration with the gallaghers, its a big factor as to why oasis got stale, throwing curve balls keeps it fresh, must get abit boring playing the same thing night in night out for years. the only 2 times after about 2003 that I thought wow hey now whats this! was headshinker 05 (havnt heard it though) and my big mouth, otherwise pretty standard, shake it up! That has been my main complaint about there live gigs since the starte. As religous a expierence or amazing as singing DLBIA might be ........if you have seen them on the tour multiple times it loses the spark of spontaneity Knowing exactly in the gig when it will pop up that's what in wan by they approach the road as punching a clock , it's like if it's tne 18 the tune it must be DLBIA ( you get my point ) There is zero spontainety in most of there shows which is why I don't get choked up hearing the MASTERPLAN or Dlbia live , in years past ive seen them at least 5 times a tour and. The setlist and the order never changed , I actually knew when the anthems were coming , and I find that boring , if your seein g to multiple times but that's noel , he is very calculating live , it seems everything has to be done by the numbers ...again some may love thst , and im glad , but to me , live wise , it's to stiff |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 13:28:34 GMT -5
I really dont know why though Noel and Liam and for that matter always have to be so safe in regard to their choices of oasis songs, beady eye was worse because all those guys played a lot of oasis songs so they didnt need to do much practice to knock out another song besides the usual suspects. fair enough noel might want to play songs that everyone can singalong to but you would think that Noels been doing this for so long now that he might think what the heck heres rockin chair, I was excited for that fake setlist that had dyou know what I mean, I thought hes really pulling it out here, champagne supernova could be considered abit out there for noel but its not really. playing it safe has always been will likely to continue to be my biggest frustration with the gallaghers, its a big factor as to why oasis got stale, throwing curve balls keeps it fresh, must get abit boring playing the same thing night in night out for years. the only 2 times after about 2003 that I thought wow hey now whats this! was headshinker 05 (havnt heard it though) and my big mouth, otherwise pretty standard, shake it up! That has been my main complaint about there live gigs since the starte. As religous a expierence or amazing as singing DLBIA might be ........if you have seen them on the tour multiple times it loses the spark of spontaneity Knowing exactly in the gig when it will pop up that's what in wan by they approach the road as punching a clock , it's like if it's tne 18 the tune it must be DLBIA ( you get my point ) There is zero spontainety in most of there shows which is why I don't get choked up hearing the MASTERPLAN or Dlbia live , in years past ive seen them at least 5 times a tour and. The setlist and the order never changed , I actually knew when the anthems were coming , and I find that boring , if your seein g to multiple times but that's noel , he is very calculating live , it seems everything has to be done by the numbers ...again some may love thst , and im glad , but to me , live wise , it's to stiff its funny that they got less spontaneous the more songs that had to choose from, maybe they played a lot of B sides and album tracks because they didnt have much of a catalogue in the 90s but after that 2002 setlist, it basically became a lock on greatest hits, their evolution in bringing back or trying out unplayed songs stopped besides the new album tracks (but even then a few decent DOYS and DBTT tunes didnt even get played) some people say Liams classic voice died in 2002, you could argue that the whole oasis bubble died in 2002, the magic just wasnt there from that point onwards, they were never quite the same, its like they started treating it like work (ticking the boxes to get the money) and less about having a good time. "right new tour shall we play the turning Liam?" "that means learning the lyrics dont it?" "yea we will need to do some soundchecks and get the mix right, probably take out a song in its place, could be abit of work" *both look at eachother" "nahhhh, wonderwall it is! "yea boy!" "guess were done, pub time" |
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Post by mouth on Apr 14, 2015 14:07:39 GMT -5
chasing yesterday is fantastic, I think its got bags of energy and really enjoyable to listen through but live? ahhhh not so much, Noels really not doing anything for me this time around, his vocals seem lazy and uninspiring, hes not bothering to hold notes in quite a few places, I dont know whether hes just struggling to hit the notes (do the damage seems to be a real struggle) in these newer songs or hes just not trying hard enough. the bass player isnt doing a very good job on backing vocals, you know you cant go back and dying of the light are a real grind with him shouting along behind Noel when its not needed and the general instrumentals dont sound as professional and tight as last time (though the mexican and in the heat of the moment are damn cool), I just dont have much of a desire to listen to the live gigs much this time around. Im not being a troll, its just my opinion so far, the magic of Noel seems to be missing so far, Im not getting the wow factor which is strange because the songs are so good. thoughts? i totally agree with that. i've been to quite a few oasis gigs since 1996, and always enjoyed it very much. even when liam turned into kermit the frog. unfortunatelly, during noel's first solo tour, i was in a part of the world which he didn't care about, so i missed that. this year was my first noel solo experience and to be honest it was a quite boring one. the songs didn't work for me, although i very much like both of his solo efforts (though riverman became a bit boring quite quickly, i don't understand the fuss about it; same goes for everybody's on the run). i also don't like how he butchers his old oasis classics. champagne supernova is not supposed to be sung like that! it's annoying! same goes for don't look back in anger. boring! move your capo down a few frets or just don't use one at all and make it the rock song it once was. if i have to live with the fact that no noel gig comes without that song, make it at least enjoyable. even the masterplan comes across a bit whiny. i don't know, maybe it's noel becoming an old fart. i have to say though, that i very much enjoyed digsy's dinner. best song of the gig for me. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 14, 2015 14:17:09 GMT -5
I've no idea how one could stand thinking "yeah but that shouldn't be sung like that" during Champagne Supernova...
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 14, 2015 14:19:53 GMT -5
He started singing DLBIA electric again though I hope to hear it like that in June. |
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