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Post by iiclisoy on Dec 29, 2007 20:08:17 GMT -5
i dont think that everything noel has done is brilliant. i hate mucky fingers and think talk tonight and cast no shadow are dreadfully overrated. however the repetative imagery you speak of has served him well as a songwriter and us as fans. noel can use the wonderwall chord progression as often as he wants as long as he keeps coming out with genius songs like dyou know what i mean. i guess i shouldnt have used the word 'criticize' maybe 'condemn' works better.
if steve comes out and says 'noel treated my brother like shit and kicked him to the curb like a bag of trash' then i might believe it. so far all his statements have sounded like are those of a loyal brother. if alan felt strongly about the way he was treated he would have given steve something real to say instead of a bunch of mumbojumbo.
also your delusional if you think steve and noel are/were mates, steve toured with him once and thats about it. if noel and bonehead havent spoken since the breakup im pretty sure noel and steve didnt correspond much
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Dec 29, 2007 20:39:01 GMT -5
i hear alan lost his mind. shame. couldn't snare out wonderwall anymore. damn shame. such a hard tune.
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Post by ToneBender on Dec 29, 2007 20:50:35 GMT -5
I'm still a little confused where I suggested they were "mates". I said he's known him for about 12 years now and toured with him. His brother was in Oasis for 8 years and Steve has been with Paul Weller (one of Noel's best friends) for quite awhile. The suggestion I made was that he knows him pretty well. There has been quite a bit of documented instances where Steve has spoken of the poor manner he thinks Alan was treated.
As to how well it's served fans to continue hearing about stars shining...I could do with a little bit more of the song Noel soundchecked on LDSMD and a little less of the stars fading talk. Every so often Noel shows significant lyrical depth (Gas Panic, WDIAGW, Sunday Morning Call, Carry Us All) and then he releases another song about stars fading away or shining. You know, it IS possible to convey the same message of hope and use different lyrics once and awhile...
But hey, that's not really what this thread is about. As I recall, it was a discussion of the acrimonious split with Alan White and all of the silence that surrounded it. We're beating a dead horse at this point. Some people think Noel is the chief and is entitled to make the decisions and others think that the decision may have been handled poorly, as has been hinted.
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Post by Cast on Jan 2, 2008 22:58:32 GMT -5
cast no shadow is my favorite song ever. I think they should have cut him some slack i mean he did stay with them thick and thin. I thought he just left so quick and it was not explained well.
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Post by Elan Morin Tedronai on Jan 3, 2008 6:29:57 GMT -5
Exactly. I remember it very, very clearly 4 years ago. Suddenly Zak Starkey came on board and everyone went "Oh, fuck Whitey, he was overrated! Bring it on Ringo's son!!" Since then, no one said anything. Alan seems to have retreated in his Chicago mansion, his brother isn't spilling much, occasionally telling that it wasn't done in the best way. And we are just cheering the band for their decision making process. Come on! This is not a respectful way to treat other people. Bandmembers aren't saying anything. Gem Archer said that he was dumbfounded when Alan welcomed him in the band, he was official drinking partner of Liam, he was there when Guigsy and Bonehead quit. With lengthy discussion about the latters' departures that they "just lost it, ok?", and yet again, no one is saying anything about Whitey or his departure. Which is a shame and black spot for the band.
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Post by novascotialad on Jan 3, 2008 6:38:21 GMT -5
Get over it Yoda... it was 12 years ago... sure, whitey was a better drummer for Oasis but fuck man,,, let it go. Curious George could be behind the kit and at the end of the day it wouldn't matter that much.
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Post by iiclisoy on Jan 3, 2008 7:31:23 GMT -5
Exactly. I remember it very, very clearly 4 years ago. Suddenly Zak Starkey came on board and everyone went "Oh, fuck Whitey, he was overrated! Bring it on Ringo's son!!" Since then, no one said anything. Alan seems to have retreated in his Chicago mansion, his brother isn't spilling much, occasionally telling that it wasn't done in the best way. And we are just cheering the band for their decision making process. Come on! This is not a respectful way to treat other people. Bandmembers aren't saying anything. Gem Archer said that he was dumbfounded when Alan welcomed him in the band, he was official drinking partner of Liam, he was there when Guigsy and Bonehead quit. With lengthy discussion about the latters' departures that they "just lost it, ok?", and yet again, no one is saying anything about Whitey or his departure. Which is a shame and black spot for the band. does anyone understand what this guy just said? |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Jan 3, 2008 7:47:32 GMT -5
At the end of the day, Noel and Liam are Oasis. The others are jobbing musicians basically.
Noel can hire and fire anyone he likes.
The word at the time was that Alan wasn't turning up for rehearsals which is a bit rich considering the Gallaghers' track records.
But I think there was something more behind it. My own theory is that Noel thought Alan was leaking stuff to the press and was also responsible for leaking 'Heathen Chemistry' before it came out.
Back in 2000 Noel said in an interview with CD:UK that someone within the band's 'inner circle' was leaking stuff to the press but they couldn't figure out who.
Pure speculation, but he may have come to the conclusion it was Alan.
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Post by ToneBender on Jan 4, 2008 19:10:06 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that that Heathen Chemistry leak was a totally unsubstantiated rumor. Any number of people could've had access to those masters and leaked 'em...Perhaps we'll find out one day in Behind The Music: OASIS, PT 2
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Post by Elan Morin Tedronai on Jan 5, 2008 6:28:01 GMT -5
I am not saying that Zak Starkey is a bad drummer for Oasis. No, no, no. For the first I wasn't very happy and I still don't think that DBtT drumming is of Whitey's standards. Good luck to Zak in the band! I am sure there's a lot he can bring to the band's sound.
I am just saying that this isn't the best way to treat people
Oh, and fuck off iiclisoy
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Post by calioasis on Jan 7, 2008 17:56:51 GMT -5
We all know if Liam wasn't Noel's brother he would have fired him long ago. Then he would have ended up firing everyone in the band, probably many times over. Noel is a middle child of three and they are always loners, and the dad was a madman to boot. Makes him a great song writer but also hard to stay close to over the long term. So, Alan had a great run. My theory is he was bored with being in the band and subconsciously got himself fired because he couldn't get up the stones to quit, probably knew how irrational that would be on a logical level. He had less input, there was a longer and longer break between albums, and the band didn't hang out as much.
U2 went through the same thing with Larry Mullen. They were using more drum machines during the Pop era and he didn't have as much input. I think he wanted to quit also, but since they went so far back and he was an original member, they recognized his importance. Alan just didn't have that same importance, he wasn't the original drummer anyway. I wouldn't say I really miss him, and by that I don't mean to cheapen his contribution or his talent. It's just that Zak is great, I saw him drum with the Who and he is SICK. No denying that. Besides, Spinal Tap had about 50 different drummers and look how awesome they are. Did Alan even have a personality? I don't think I've ever seen him say anything interesting ever.
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