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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Mar 20, 2015 18:17:20 GMT -5
i stopped to go get a beer lol im just on the fence with LG and the whole solo deal Ye I agree with most of what you said to be honest! Even if he did manage to write or co-write a top class album, he still wouldn't sell out arenas just cos of who he is. I hope he does something in the public eye but can't see it myself! liam must be kickin himself for oasis to end and be where he is now we all have regrets but we wernt in oasis lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 18:15:22 GMT -5
Liam Gallagher appeared on the Come On song on The Verves Urban Hymns album, screaming something in the background. In reality Oasis's record sales have dropped because they haven't bothered to put out decent albums. There are people who will buy a cd as long as its decent. But if its a waste of time then...they won't. I won't - I haven't even got Beady Eyes second album yet, or Noels new one...I am in no rush. Although I have heard songs from Chasing Yesterday and can say its worth getting. riverman. Liam could reform Oasis if he wanted anytime.
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Post by Jgrp on Mar 22, 2015 13:10:18 GMT -5
Liam Gallagher appeared on the Come On song on The Verves Urban Hymns album, screaming something in the background. In reality Oasis's record sales have dropped because they haven't bothered to put out decent albums. There are people who will buy a cd as long as its decent. But if its a waste of time then...they won't. I won't - I haven't even got Beady Eyes second album yet, or Noels new one...I am in no rush. Although I have heard songs from Chasing Yesterday and can say its worth getting. riverman. Liam could reform Oasis if he wanted anytime. No he can't! Noel would have to agree. Oasis needs both Gallagher's otherwise it's not oasis.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 14:38:25 GMT -5
Noel has said he doesn't care.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Mar 22, 2015 14:57:11 GMT -5
Noel has said he doesn't care. Yeah but every one knows no Liam and Noel means no Oasis.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 15:14:12 GMT -5
Not really, Liam started Oasis without Noel.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Mar 23, 2015 10:58:24 GMT -5
Liam is so much bigger than Ashcroft that in terms of name/reputation he doesn't need Ashcroft.
I think Liam has a much better voice IMO too. Ashcroft is a bit similar in terms of a rasping vocal with power but he isn't as distinctive nor as memorable as Liam.
I think people underestimate the power of Liam being able to put his name on the front of an album. I think a solo venture has a hell of a lot of potential for Liam and it wouldn't take quite as much for it to work as people are suggesting
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 11:19:37 GMT -5
Liam is so much bigger than Ashcroft that in terms of name/reputation he doesn't need Ashcroft. I think Liam has a much better voice IMO too. Ashcroft is a bit similar in terms of a rasping vocal with power but he isn't as distinctive nor as memorable as Liam. I think people underestimate the power of Liam being able to put his name on the front of an album. I think a solo venture has a hell of a lot of potential for Liam and it wouldn't take quite as much for it to work as people are suggesting The thing is the songs, Ashcroft is a much better writer (at least, he was) For Liam solo to work I think lots of things have to go right: 1. Vocals need to be addressed 2. Marketing needs to good, not just "here's the the one who didn't write the songs - y'know, the one who thinks he's John Lennon" 3. Production/sound of the record needs to be different and modern 4. Liam's private life needs sorting, otherwise more attention is the last thing he or his family needs 5. NO BEATLES REFERENCES 6. Lastly and by far the most important...the tunes. If Liam writes a full album at best it will be mediocre. Guest writes are needed or collaborations with different people who would make a varied record with a much higher quality than Liam alone could provide. Ashcroft is just one of these.
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Mar 23, 2015 11:26:56 GMT -5
I'd say Ashcroft would only need Liam for his name, to gain attention. He sings better than Liam (I've always loved Richard's voice and it's still good whereas Liam's...well) and he definitely writes or has written better songs than Liam. I definitely cannot see Richard writing songs for Liam to sing since Richard is one of the greatest singers and his voice makes his songs even better than they are. It would make no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 11:29:04 GMT -5
I'd like to hear a blend of Richard and Liam's vocals.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Mar 23, 2015 12:09:04 GMT -5
Liam is so much bigger than Ashcroft that in terms of name/reputation he doesn't need Ashcroft. I think Liam has a much better voice IMO too. Ashcroft is a bit similar in terms of a rasping vocal with power but he isn't as distinctive nor as memorable as Liam. I think people underestimate the power of Liam being able to put his name on the front of an album. I think a solo venture has a hell of a lot of potential for Liam and it wouldn't take quite as much for it to work as people are suggesting The thing is the songs, Ashcroft is a much better writer (at least, he was) For Liam solo to work I think lots of things have to go right: 1. Vocals need to be addressed 2. Marketing needs to good, not just "here's the the one who didn't write the songs - y'know, the one who thinks he's John Lennon" 3. Production/sound of the record needs to be different and modern 4. Liam's private life needs sorting, otherwise more attention is the last thing he or his family needs 5. NO BEATLES REFERENCES 6. Lastly and by far the most important...the tunes. If Liam writes a full album at best it will be mediocre. Guest writes are needed or collaborations with different people who would make a varied record with a much higher quality than Liam alone could provide. Ashcroft is just one of these. 1. His vocals on BE would be fine for any solo project. Obviously any help to get it restored to anywhere near the 90s would be great if possible lol 2. Marketing is the key. I think even half the songs used in the DGSS era, if used in the right way with good marketing could lead to a pretty successful solo career. 3. Production similar to BE songs like FOTF and SBOTA is needed. Electronic sounds and a fresh approach and they'll be huge potential with a voice as distinctive as Liam's 4. Liam is back on track now. He will sort out the money grabbing bitch in America and then he's ready to make money again. 5. Agreed. I don't have a problem with Beatles references in general because referencing your influences shouldnt exactly be a problem. Where its always been a problem for Liam AND Noel is they've played up to the Beatles too much to the point where they'll never get the credit they deserve from critics like Pitchfork who are so short sited they can only search for which bits of their songs sound like bits of Revolver 6. I honestly think if he takes his time with this one and gets advice on which tunes need to be singles and on the album then he can make a good effort. Theres a lot of talk of writers like Weller getting on board or whatever but where as someone like that can now doubt still produce solid albums and achieve decent success, I find a lot of the names mentioned quite safe, middle of the road artists. If Liam writes well, his voice has the opportunity to elevate his songs to new levels. Id rather be puts it on the line and goes for it himself because this is his last chance to vindicate himself
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Post by allingoodtime on Mar 23, 2015 16:02:52 GMT -5
If Liam's going to make any sort of come back he needs to sort out his voice. His voice is what made him famous, not his song writing.
He has proven he's capable of writing some great stuff but they were too far apart..(Songbird '02, I'm Outta time '08).
He needs to spend some serious time writing songs of that calibre^, see what can be done about his voice..even though I think he's done irreparable damage which is a huge shame..You listen to him on champagne supernova and Some might say and its hard to find anyone who can do what he was capable of.
He needs to take everything one step at a time and be bloody willing to put in some serious effort if he's to revive his career.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 16:05:38 GMT -5
Liam is to big for a solo record, in my humble opinion.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 23, 2015 16:47:33 GMT -5
Liam is to big for a solo record, in my humble opinion. Too big?
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Post by spaneli on Mar 23, 2015 18:08:59 GMT -5
If Liam's going to make any sort of come back he needs to sort out his voice. His voice is what made him famous, not his song writing. He has proven he's capable of writing some great stuff but they were too far apart..(Songbird '02, I'm Outta time '08). He needs to spend some serious time writing songs of that calibre^, see what can be done about his voice..even though I think he's done irreparable damage which is a huge shame..You listen to him on champagne supernova and Some might say and its hard to find anyone who can do what he was capable of. He needs to take everything one step at a time and be bloody willing to put in some serious effort if he's to revive his career. The issue for Liam is also the fact that most of his best material has not been solely written by him. Liam has shown to have brilliant ideas, but a song and album is more than just scraps of brilliant ideas. Liam all by himself has yet to show that he can consistently write good material. Even with songwriting partners he has yet to show consistency. The issue is that people are expecting that with time Liam will take a songwriting leap of some kind and that just doesn't happen with people of Liam's age. NO MATTER how late they come to songwriting, which quite frankly that ship has sailed because Liam's been writing since 2002. Think about it, that's thirteen years of songwriting and a lot of it has been hit or miss, even with people helping him it out. The question is what do people expect to change? What's more believable, that Liam will continue to produce songs at the level he's been producing them, including when he has had help? Or that in a couple years time he's going to take a leap and somehow make 10 bang-up tunes? Lastly, this idea that Liam can elevate his own material with his voice. I got a list of songs where that didn't happen and that list has grown exponentially over the past few years rather than growing the other way (whereas no one would have said that before 2000). Liam has shown that he can elevate GOOD material. Liam can make things passable and even brilliant, but if there are 5 middling songs on an album, chances are, even with his vocals, they'll stay middling. If Liam could consistently elevate songs and make albums good to great through his vocals alone, then someone explain DGSS? Or how about when his voice was better. How about HC or SOTSOG? If the songs aren't there then I don't care who's singing it, it will only be passable at best. I think his album could sell well and he'll be capable of making a passable effort, but I don't ever seeing it being better....maybe not even as good as BE. As you have said, the gaps between his best material is too large. Which is startling considering how much help he has had. People do these lists of songs that Liam has written as proof that he could do this. What they continually fail to consider is that the lists they're using are with songs gathered together over the course of a decade. If it takes a decade's worth of songs to make a good album, then what is Liam going to produce in two years?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 18:17:07 GMT -5
I'm really in two minds about a Liam solo album. At the moment I'm really thinking he'd be better off in a supergroup with some other musicians, he's not the sort to go out touring around the world on his own. He's used to that band mentality and having somebody not necessarily telling him what to do but somebody to look up, like Noel was for him in Oasis. Just somebody to argue with him really, I think one of the issues with Beady Eye might have been that they were too nice to each other. Sounds weird I know but it seemed like one of them would just write a song and then the rest of the band would play along and they were all really good mates, no criticism of each other.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 18:48:06 GMT -5
He will most likely start a new band with Bonehead..and Noel will eventually rejoin. Just like at the start. He will probably try and recruit the past members too later on.
I can't see Liam being in a solo tour or album. Just not likely enough, but the first idea is more likely for sure. And I am sure everyone here agrees with that.
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Post by cigarsinhell on Mar 24, 2015 2:25:38 GMT -5
If Liam went to Nashville, there would be literally HUNDREDS of excellent, commercially inclined songwriters who would fight tooth and nail to offer Liam all the polished perfect songs he could ever sing. It's a song mill and a buyer's market there, a whole hive for ANY musical genre. And nobody in America would bitch about it--who cares if you write your own material here as long as you know how to shake your booty? Well, Liam doesn't know how to do that, either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 3:57:50 GMT -5
How can you say Liam can't write a song? He may not be as good as Noel but he can still write a decent tune in my eyes. Born on a different cloud is a great song, although it seems most people here think its rubbish.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 24, 2015 8:10:39 GMT -5
Not sure how this idea would work. Both are alpha males. Both are lead singers. One can write. The other is still learning.
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Post by allingoodtime on Mar 24, 2015 13:20:36 GMT -5
The question isnt is Noel up for a re-union, its is he up for re-uniting with Liam's current voice..
I think Oasis sounded great in 08/09, but Liam was their weak point..your weak point cannot be your frontman..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 18:10:19 GMT -5
Well he sounds okay recently. Mind you why don't you tour night after night and sound like a Knight in Shining Armour trying to scare a dragon away with your voice?
We have been down this road before.."Liam needs to stop smoking on tour, or when recording an Oasis album now that he is over 40" WE GET IT!!
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 24, 2015 18:54:28 GMT -5
Not sure how this idea would work. Both are alpha males. Both are lead singers. One can write. The other is still learning. After hearing the United Nations Of Sound I would argue that Liam has written some better stuff over the last few years.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Mar 24, 2015 19:15:47 GMT -5
Not sure how this idea would work. Both are alpha males. Both are lead singers. One can write. The other is still learning. After hearing the United Nations Of Sound I would argue that Liam has written some better stuff over the last few years. This is spot on. Probably quite controversial on here but we all talk about Weller, Marr etc as these genius songwriters who need to help out the likes of Liam but really? OK their best work was untouchable and will always be classics but their newer stuff? I think I always like one or two off Wellers albums and Marr's was boring and sold a lot less than Beady Eye. I'm not saying Liam's gonna put out anything of Oasis quality but neither do they. And I'd rather he attempts it himself rather than getting their scraps and falling short anyway IMO
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 24, 2015 19:29:09 GMT -5
Not sure how this idea would work. Both are alpha males. Both are lead singers. One can write. The other is still learning. After hearing the United Nations Of Sound I would argue that Liam has written some better stuff over the last few years. And I wouldn't say you are far off the market.
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