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Post by World71R on Jan 8, 2016 22:01:18 GMT -5
For me the song has always been massively overrated. Maybe it's because the soundcheck version was floated around for years prior. I'm not sure. Something never sat right for me on this song. I think it has to do with the "Ahhhhhhs Ahhhhhhs" parts. Always figured those were just place holder sounds. Nope. He included them.Yeah, it's a lovely song, but with those "Ahhh ahhh" parts, it lacks any strong structure and just floats along instead. I don't mind a song that derives from traditions, especially if it's Noel, but there needed to be something in place of it, instead of just scat, like some interesting instrumentation (see The Right Stuff). |
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Post by Jim on Jan 9, 2016 3:03:06 GMT -5
If you want to know what a true Sardy fuckup is please see A Simple Game of Genius. I'm pretty sure Sardy never had anything to do with A Simple Game of Genius. Paul Stacey engineered and mixed all of the following b-sides / bonus tracks : The Good Rebel I'd Pick You Every Time Let The Lord Shine A Light On Me Shoot A Hole Into The Sun (Mixed by Stacey, Produced by The Amorphous Androgynous) If any has either the standard Japanese or Tour Edition of the album it maybe have the credit for the song in the booklet as there isn't anything on Discogs for confirmation. |
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Post by jaq515 on Jan 9, 2016 7:52:14 GMT -5
If you want to know what a true Sardy fuckup is please see A Simple Game of Genius. I'm pretty sure Sardy never had anything to do with A Simple Game of Genius. Paul Stacey engineered and mixed all of the following b-sides / bonus tracks : The Good Rebel I'd Pick You Every Time Let The Lord Shine A Light On Me Shoot A Hole Into The Sun (Mixed by Stacey, Produced by The Amorphous Androgynous) If any has either the standard Japanese or Tour Edition of the album it maybe have the credit for the song in the booklet as there isn't anything on Discogs for confirmation. The Japanese standard edition doesn't show any info about genius or rebel |
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Post by mossy on Jan 9, 2016 7:53:53 GMT -5
Sandy gets a lot of stick on here but you have to remember Noel's his boss and presumably he is doing exactly what control freak Noel wants.
And wasn't NGHBs recording pretty much finished by the time Sardy got involved? He just helped sort out the drums?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 9, 2016 8:59:40 GMT -5
Sandy gets a lot of stick on here but you have to remember Noel's his boss and presumably he is doing exactly what control freak Noel wants. And wasn't NGHBs recording pretty much finished by the time Sardy got involved? He just helped sort out the drums? Recording, production and mixing are different things though. It's pretty obvious what Sardy's part is. Look at DBTT. Lyla and TIOBI are the two that sound really good. No production by Sardy. We know what the rest sounds like. Listen to HFB. Then listen to Chasing Yesterday |
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Post by mossy on Jan 9, 2016 9:35:22 GMT -5
Sandy gets a lot of stick on here but you have to remember Noel's his boss and presumably he is doing exactly what control freak Noel wants. And wasn't NGHBs recording pretty much finished by the time Sardy got involved? He just helped sort out the drums? Recording, production and mixing are different things though. It's pretty obvious what Sardy's part is. Look at DBTT. Lyla and TIOBI are the two that sound really good. No production by Sardy. We know what the rest sounds like. Listen to HFB. Then listen to Chasing Yesterday My point was that Sardy can't take 100% of the blame, Noel has to share some. Noel booked him, multiple times, and was happy enough with the results to release them. He intended to use him again for CY. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 9, 2016 10:43:51 GMT -5
Recording, production and mixing are different things though. It's pretty obvious what Sardy's part is. Look at DBTT. Lyla and TIOBI are the two that sound really good. No production by Sardy. We know what the rest sounds like. Listen to HFB. Then listen to Chasing Yesterday My point was that Sardy can't take 100% of the blame, Noel has to share some. Noel booked him, multiple times, and was happy enough with the results to release them. He intended to use him again for CY. Did I say that? Oh no, that's right, I didn't. I said he played a bigger role than "sorting out the drums". |
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Post by mossy on Jan 9, 2016 11:12:26 GMT -5
My point was that Sardy can't take 100% of the blame, Noel has to share some. Noel booked him, multiple times, and was happy enough with the results to release them. He intended to use him again for CY. Did I say that? Oh no, that's right, I didn't. I said he played a bigger role than "sorting out the drums". No need to be rude. You still seem to be missing my original point, but fine, blame Sardy entirely, Noel is innocent. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 9, 2016 11:37:36 GMT -5
Did I say that? Oh no, that's right, I didn't. I said he played a bigger role than "sorting out the drums". No need to be rude. You still seem to be missing my original point, but fine, blame Sardy entirely, Noel is innocent. No need to put words in my mouth. The fact I'm saying Sardy is shit doesn't mean I blame him entirely. For the second and last time: I didn't say that. "Saying Noel is innocent" and saying Sardy is shit are two different things in my eyes. HC was shit too and we can't blame Sardy for that. |
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Post by mossy on Jan 9, 2016 11:49:59 GMT -5
No need to be rude. You still seem to be missing my original point, but fine, blame Sardy entirely, Noel is innocent. No need to put words in my mouth. The fact I'm saying Sardy is shit doesn't mean I blame him entirely. For the second and last time: I didn't say that. "Saying Noel is innocent" and saying Sardy is shit are two different things in my eyes. HC was shit too and we can't blame Sardy for that. You seem to be really argumentative when we actually agree. Peace. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 9, 2016 11:52:10 GMT -5
No need to put words in my mouth. The fact I'm saying Sardy is shit doesn't mean I blame him entirely. For the second and last time: I didn't say that. "Saying Noel is innocent" and saying Sardy is shit are two different things in my eyes. HC was shit too and we can't blame Sardy for that. You seem to be really argumentative when we actually agree. Peace. I didn't start this! I thought you misunderstood. And it's not always easy to express what you mean when it's in another language and can get really frustrating when someone doesn't understand what you're trying to say. |
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Post by mossy on Jan 9, 2016 12:01:05 GMT -5
You seem to be really argumentative when we actually agree. Peace. I didn't start this! I thought you misunderstood. And it's not always easy to express what you mean when it's in another language and can get really frustrating when someone doesn't understand what you're trying to say. I'd be pretty fooked if this forum was in Dutch. Vrede. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 9, 2016 12:01:41 GMT -5
I didn't start this! I thought you misunderstood. And it's not always easy to express what you mean when it's in another language and can get really frustrating when someone doesn't understand what you're trying to say. I'd be pretty fooked of this forum was I Dutch. Vrede. Hilarious. |
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Post by Cast on Jan 9, 2016 12:27:12 GMT -5
For me the song has always been massively overrated. Maybe it's because the soundcheck version was floated around for years prior. I'm not sure. Something never sat right for me on this song. I think it has to do with the "Ahhhhhhs Ahhhhhhs" parts. Always figured those were just place holder sounds. Nope. He included them. The melody is one the best Noel has ever come up with, but my God he and Sardy really dropped the ball with the recording of it. I don't mind the "ah's" but they would have worked so much better if the song was stripped down a la the demo or the soundcheck version. Noel's voice kinda just floats over the top, but on the heavy album version it really does feel like a placeholder, but I don't know what in the world he coulda sang there Believe me popstars using AHHHH or OHH in as the hook is one of my biggest pet peeves, so I'm trying to give him a pass. Song should be elegant a la Nude by Radiohead or something. Instead it hits you with dad-rock compression and arrangement. Dulls are song that really was could have been a gem. He redeemed himself with The Dying of The Light though, that song sounds great recorded or stripped down. Love those keys on that track, IIHAG needed something like that not the HAM fisted drumming/guitar playing. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 9, 2016 13:08:21 GMT -5
If you want to know what a true Sardy fuckup is please see A Simple Game of Genius. I'm pretty sure Sardy never had anything to do with A Simple Game of Genius. Paul Stacey engineered and mixed all of the following b-sides / bonus tracks : The Good Rebel I'd Pick You Every Time Let The Lord Shine A Light On Me Shoot A Hole Into The Sun (Mixed by Stacey, Produced by The Amorphous Androgynous) If any has either the standard Japanese or Tour Edition of the album it maybe have the credit for the song in the booklet as there isn't anything on Discogs for confirmation. To my ears it always sounded like a Sardy track, everything from the drums to the sparse guitar (which reminds of TUTS production wise). I could easily be wrong though. |
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Post by mossy on Jan 9, 2016 14:23:08 GMT -5
If you think that Sardy takes Noel's tender young acoustic ballads and buggers them mercilessly without lube, well here's a thought... Noel likes it when Sardy buggers them mercilessly without lube.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 9, 2016 14:41:47 GMT -5
Sandy gets a lot of stick on here but you have to remember Noel's his boss and presumably he is doing exactly what control freak Noel wants. And wasn't NGHBs recording pretty much finished by the time Sardy got involved? He just helped sort out the drums? DOYS is the only album Sardy was involved with from beginning to end, and I think it really shows. |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 9, 2016 14:44:47 GMT -5
If you think that Sardy takes Noel's tender young acoustic ballads and buggers them mercilessly without lube, well here's a thought... Noel likes it when Sardy buggers them mercilessly without lube. I concur. Stacey, Tim Smith, and Sardy don't do what Noel doesn't want them to do. |
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Post by mossy on Jan 9, 2016 14:51:41 GMT -5
If you think that Sardy takes Noel's tender young acoustic ballads and buggers them mercilessly without lube, well here's a thought... Noel likes it when Sardy buggers them mercilessly without lube. I concur. Stacey, Tim Smith, and Sardy don't do what Noel doesn't want them to do. Noel walks into the studio and sits down with an acoustic guitar resting gently on his knee. He looks coquettishly over his shoulder and whispers to the producer "This one's called If I Had A Gun. I want you to do it again Dave. Do what you do best." Sardy smiles wickedly and cracks his knuckles. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 9, 2016 14:52:33 GMT -5
If you think that Sardy takes Noel's tender young acoustic ballads and buggers them mercilessly without lube, well here's a thought... Noel likes it when Sardy buggers them mercilessly without lube. I concur. Stacey, Tim Smith, and Sardy don't do what Noel doesn't want them to do.
Who live without a care
Try to sit with me around my table
But never bring a chair...." |
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Post by mossy on Jan 9, 2016 17:03:32 GMT -5
I'd be pretty fooked of this forum was I Dutch. Vrede. Hilarious. For the avoidance of doubt I wasn't being sarcastic or taking the piss out of you in that post. I apparently can't type though! I was trying to say I wouldn't be able to post in a second language; that is, good on you. Vrede. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jan 11, 2016 15:58:28 GMT -5
Dave Sardy should be brought in as a war criminal for what he did to "If I Had A Gun...". I think Sardy is the prime example of modern day Noel Gallagher. Noel seen the success of DBTT, in particular the success of the singles and thought Sardy was the way forward. Anyone, including Noel Gallagher, can see how much life was sucked out of the production of the albums he worked on. But sales figures and commercial significance means so much more to Noel. |
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Post by jaq515 on Jan 11, 2016 16:05:17 GMT -5
Dave Sardy should be brought in as a war criminal for what he did to "If I Had A Gun...". I think Sardy is the prime example of modern day Noel Gallagher. Noel seen the success of DBTT, in particular the success of the singles and thought Sardy was the way forward. Anyone, including Noel Gallagher, can see how much life was sucked out of the production of the albums he worked on. But sales figures and commercial significance means so much more to Noel. exactly! That is exactly why it was produced like that cos noel wanted it to be 'commercial' which is exactly how it sounds |
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Jan 11, 2016 16:06:44 GMT -5
Thing is everybody will continue to listen to his leaked demos and soundchecks and decide the studio album is wrong.. Never learn.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 11, 2016 16:10:53 GMT -5
Dave Sardy should be brought in as a war criminal for what he did to "If I Had A Gun...". I think Sardy is the prime example of modern day Noel Gallagher. Noel seen the success of DBTT, in particular the success of the singles and thought Sardy was the way forward. Anyone, including Noel Gallagher, can see how much life was sucked out of the production of the albums he worked on. But sales figures and commercial significance means so much more to Noel. The irony is the two big singles off DBTT have nothing to do with Dave Sardy. Written and produced before he came on board. |
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