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Post by glider on Mar 7, 2015 22:25:22 GMT -5
Was listening to the demo, and just was more blown away than the album version could ever do. Instead of the kick in with the electric guitar at the first ahhh.... , it's just Noel and his guitar. The demo is very moving as well. Shame how the album version turned out a plodding mess. My dream for the way the final version should've been:
1. The reverb on the demo is amazing, would've kept it but added a little more.
2. The eerie artificial sounds throughout the intro would just repeat itself throughout.
3. Beccy Byrne's back vocals are equalized in the ahh's, so it's like a duet.
4. Forgot to add, no electric rhythm guitar. Bassline is okay though.
And that's it. Keep it simple, sweet, and purely melodic.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2015 22:43:38 GMT -5
Dave Sardy should be brought in as a war criminal for what he did to "If I Had A Gun...".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 22:48:59 GMT -5
A beautiful, simple and heartfelt acoustic love song. You know what that needs? Loud fucking drums! Nice one Dave.
This is exactly how I Feel about Broken Arrow as well.
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Post by glider on Mar 7, 2015 23:07:01 GMT -5
A beautiful, simple and heartfelt acoustic love song. You know what that needs? Loud fucking drums! Nice one Dave. This is exactly how I Feel about Broken Arrow as well. And kick in the electric guitars! Grandiose!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 23:11:42 GMT -5
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Post by glider on Mar 7, 2015 23:13:41 GMT -5
Ladies and gentlemen, the Brett Ratner of music producing. |
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Post by LlAM on Mar 8, 2015 1:40:12 GMT -5
The reverb on the demo is shit.
The only listenable demo from HFB1 is Broken Arrow.
Noel also played a part in messing up If I Had A Gun by slightly changing the melody of the chorus and dumbing down the "ahhs" compared to the soundcheck.
He also obviously approved the production of the album version, Dave Sardy was probably just doing what he was told hence why Noel enjoyed working with him.
Hopefully the production of CY will get enough praise so Noel knows it is a step in the right direction.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 8, 2015 6:04:11 GMT -5
My first reactions upon hearing the studio version of "If I Had A Gun...".   |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Mar 8, 2015 6:14:05 GMT -5
A beautiful, simple and heartfelt acoustic love song. You know what that needs? Loud fucking drums! Nice one Dave. This is exactly how I Feel about Broken Arrow as well. I think it actually works really well on Broken Arrow, especially live. The demo is great as well, but the drums are a little more subtle on the album version than on IIHAG. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 8, 2015 7:04:43 GMT -5
I think Broken Arrow is alright. You can actually hear almost every instrument on it.
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Post by World71R on Mar 8, 2015 15:28:42 GMT -5
I think Broken Arrow is alright. You can actually hear almost every instrument on it. Agreed. Along with TDOYAM, Broken Arrow is definitely the best sounding song the album. Neither one of those two sound plodding at all, and the muddiness isn't as omnipresent as it is on some of the others. |
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Post by batfink30 on Mar 8, 2015 16:15:59 GMT -5
Sardy destroyed IIHAG. I was thinking this when I heard it live again and the giant drums kick in. On a fucking acoustic love song, why?!
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Post by glider on Mar 8, 2015 20:49:37 GMT -5
Broken Arrow and EOTR are the strongest produced tracks. Shame most of the rest is very ploddy.
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Post by didthedamage on Mar 9, 2015 7:34:49 GMT -5
I suppose I shouldn't confess here that I love 'If I Had a Gun' and the rest of HFB1... I understand the production complaints on 'Record Machine,' but I thought HFB1 was a pretty cohesive, solid effort. Good tunes--and some of the best bonus tracks of any album, ever (barring 'The Good Rebel').
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Post by batfink30 on Mar 9, 2015 10:16:45 GMT -5
I suppose I shouldn't confess here that I love 'If I Had a Gun' and the rest of HFB1... I understand the production complaints on 'Record Machine,' but I thought HFB1 was a pretty cohesive, solid effort. Good tunes--and some of the best bonus tracks of any album, ever (barring 'The Good Rebel'). It's a great album, I just feel it could have been produced better with a fresher sound,like CY. |
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Post by shoreline on Mar 9, 2015 10:32:22 GMT -5
A beautiful, simple and heartfelt acoustic love song. You know what that needs? Loud fucking drums! Nice one Dave. This is exactly how I Feel about Broken Arrow as well. This is actually how I feel about the studio version of TDOTL too. Except the guitar solo, which is brilliant. |
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Post by shinpad on Mar 12, 2015 9:52:23 GMT -5
This is basically how I feel about all of the demo songs we heard in stripped-down versions before being officially released. I don't think there's a single song I prefer the album/released versions of.
And that was my biggest problem with the first NGHFB's album: all of these great songs with demo versions where there was actual emotion in the performances...absolutely ruined and drained of that by the released versions.
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Post by allingoodtime on Mar 12, 2015 15:40:52 GMT -5
I like If I had a gun (album version). For me its broken arrow which was butchered completely..The demo of that song is so much better than the album version!
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Post by kennerado on Mar 12, 2015 20:56:54 GMT -5
This is basically how I feel about all of the demo songs we heard in stripped-down versions before being officially released. I don't think there's a single song I prefer the album/released versions of. And that was my biggest problem with the first NGHFB's album: all of these great songs with demo versions where there was actual emotion in the performances...absolutely ruined and drained of that by the released versions. One of the great crimes against music is how Noel's demoes are not heard but the masses - only us real fans that seek them out. He is IMO one of the best demo musicians, going way back to the early Oasis days in a lot of cases the demoes were fucking TOP SHELF because it was raw, real and like you said EMOTIONAL. Just listen to the rough version of I Hope, I Think, I Know with Noel howling the vocals - you can feel the passion in his voice - its really incredible. You can't reproduce lighting, lots of times Noel should of just released his demoes as the album tracks. Off topic, U2 did this with a song called Mercy - the demo was a 6 minute epic and then when they played it live - they completely BUTCHERED IT, one of the biggest massacres of a great song I have ever seen. |
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Post by shinpad on Mar 13, 2015 9:27:44 GMT -5
This is basically how I feel about all of the demo songs we heard in stripped-down versions before being officially released. I don't think there's a single song I prefer the album/released versions of. And that was my biggest problem with the first NGHFB's album: all of these great songs with demo versions where there was actual emotion in the performances...absolutely ruined and drained of that by the released versions. One of the great crimes against music is how Noel's demoes are not heard but the masses - only us real fans that seek them out. He is IMO one of the best demo musicians, going way back to the early Oasis days in a lot of cases the demoes were fucking TOP SHELF because it was raw, real and like you said EMOTIONAL. Just listen to the rough version of I Hope, I Think, I Know with Noel howling the vocals - you can feel the passion in his voice - its really incredible. You can't reproduce lighting, lots of times Noel should of just released his demoes as the album tracks. Off topic, U2 did this with a song called Mercy - the demo was a 6 minute epic and then when they played it live - they completely BUTCHERED IT, one of the biggest massacres of a great song I have ever seen. That's why an artist like Neil Young tries to use first takes of songs whenever possible. There are stories of musicians coming in to play a session with him, going through a first run through of a track trying to learn it, and Neil having the tape rolling and saying that's the take. You end up with shit sometimes, but you also capture songs in a form that can be hard to reproduce. |
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Post by glider on Mar 13, 2015 9:33:07 GMT -5
"If I Had Gun..." Whoops.
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Post by glider on Jan 8, 2016 19:59:09 GMT -5
The album version sucks.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 8, 2016 20:23:46 GMT -5
Never understood what was so bad about the album version. The only things I would change are that the drums should come in after the first "ooo"s and that the "aahh"s should be the last thing before the final verse.
If you want to know what a true Sardy fuckup is please see A Simple Game of Genius.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 20:44:48 GMT -5
Never understood what was so bad about the album version. The only things I would change are that the drums should come in after the first "ooo"s and that the "aahh"s should be the last thing before the final verse. If you want to know what a true Sardy fuckup is please see A Simple Game of Genius. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 8, 2016 21:29:16 GMT -5
For me the song has always been massively overrated. Maybe it's because the soundcheck version was floated around for years prior. I'm not sure. Something never sat right for me on this song. I think it has to do with the "Ahhhhhhs Ahhhhhhs" parts. Always figured those were just place holder sounds. Nope. He included them.
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