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Post by tonethestone1 on Mar 6, 2015 9:32:29 GMT -5
Hi all,
I read quite often on here about the poor production on Noel's first solo album, now I prefer CY to his first, and agree with almost everyone on here its much better produced than his first, and tbh it just has better songs on CY, but was his first solo record really that poorly produced as some say on here? just wondered what the reasoning's were?
Think his first album is great, not a weak song on it, some ok songs (DO, RM, SOTWB, STC), but a lot of great songs too (EOTR, IIHAG, WAL, SBAJF, BA).
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 6, 2015 9:40:58 GMT -5
Hi all, I read quite often on here about the poor production on Noel's first solo album, now I prefer CY to his first, and agree with almost everyone on here its much better produced than his first, and tbh it just has better songs on CY, but was his first solo record really that poorly produced as some say on here? just wondered what the reasoning's were? Think his first album is great, not a weak song on it, some ok songs (DO, RM, SOTWB, STC), but a lot of great songs too (EOTR, IIHAG, WAL, SBAJF, BA). I generally didn't like the following: - Don't like the echo effect on Noel's Intro vocals for Everybody's On The Run. Way too much like a Nickelback song. Sounds like cheap production to me. - If I Had A Gun sounds rushed and cloudy in parts. Not even space separating instruments during key moments of the song. It needed to be more reserved. - I cringe at that tinny and artificial sounding mellotron at the start of Stop The Clocks. Should have been more organic. Sorta like the mellotron on Go Let It Out. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 6, 2015 13:14:35 GMT -5
There's something about Record Machine which makes it sound very cheesy and it makes me feel sleepy. I just can't put my finger on it.
Also, Stranded On The Wrong Beach has some really cool effects like a church clock in the instrumental bit right before the second verse, and a glass harmonica in parts of the song, and YOU. JUST. CAN'T. HEAR. THEM.
Basically what Sardy did was take the life out of songs, make it sound plodding, and make it sound like you're stuck with your head in the kitchen sink. A lot of cool effects have gone lost and it all sounds too one dimensional.
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Post by Sternumman on Mar 6, 2015 14:32:39 GMT -5
I listened to both albums today on my never ending commute. NGHFB is a muddled mess in comparison. The drums and bass sound distorted and when they add more instruments it's even harder to make them out. Listen to both albums together on shuffle and you'll here a definite difference.
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Post by glider on Mar 6, 2015 14:33:49 GMT -5
Sardy butchered Record Machine and Stop the Clocks.
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Post by World71R on Mar 6, 2015 19:22:40 GMT -5
Sardy butchered Record Machine and Stop the Clocks. Record Machine was OK, but the final product of Stop the Clocks was just awful. Noel's vocals seemed too sugar-coated, and dare I say, Autotuned, while the backing track was pretty muddy, which is a real shame because it was immense. |
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Post by jeffslate on Mar 6, 2015 19:38:07 GMT -5
Gotta weigh in. Sardy is a friend of mine, so maybe I'm the wrong guy to ask, but I really disagree. And to lay it all on him isn't fair. He is supposed to mix my next record though, so maybe I should think again?  |
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Mar 6, 2015 19:41:53 GMT -5
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-The choirs and strings feel tacked on--they don't "gel" with the rest of the production.
-Certain aspects of the production feel cheap/tasteless/bland (the fake sounding mellotron on STC, the delayed vocals on EOTR, the stylistic choices on IIHAG etc.)
-The soundstage feels tiny, and the individual parts lack clarity.
-The drum parts are plodding and repetitive, with only a couple exceptions (WAL, Broken Arrow).
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Post by Let It🩸 on Mar 6, 2015 19:46:55 GMT -5
Gotta weigh in. Sardy is a friend of mine, so maybe I'm the wrong guy to ask, but I really disagree. And to lay it all on him isn't fair. He is supposed to mix my next record though, so maybe I should think again? Will your Noël Esquire interview be in the print magazine? Thanks. |
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Post by PollyWantsACracker on Mar 6, 2015 22:28:45 GMT -5
There's something about Record Machine which makes it sound very cheesy and it makes me feel sleepy. I just can't put my finger on it. Also, Stranded On The Wrong Beach has some really cool effects like a church clock in the instrumental bit right before the second verse, and a glass harmonica in parts of the song, and YOU. JUST. CAN'T. HEAR. THEM. Basically what Sardy did was take the life out of songs, make it sound plodding, and make it sound like you're stuck with your head in the kitchen sink. A lot of cool effects have gone lost and it all sounds too one dimensional. I have 2 spakers on my 5.1 system set out of phase to reveal hidden sounds , and I think maybe you should try doing that and then you may hear something cool you havent heard before. |
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Post by PollyWantsACracker on Mar 6, 2015 22:31:23 GMT -5
Gotta weigh in. Sardy is a friend of mine, so maybe I'm the wrong guy to ask, but I really disagree. And to lay it all on him isn't fair. He is supposed to mix my next record though, so maybe I should think again? Make sure he doesn't make the record "another victim of the loudness war" |
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Post by World71R on Mar 6, 2015 22:36:34 GMT -5
Gotta weigh in. Sardy is a friend of mine, so maybe I'm the wrong guy to ask, but I really disagree. And to lay it all on him isn't fair. He is supposed to mix my next record though, so maybe I should think again? I've heard that he's pretty good at mixing, but production is where he falls short. (By the way, I'd love to hear more details on the record you're making! It's always cool to hear about musicians on this forum, being a guitar player myself) |
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Post by glider on Mar 6, 2015 23:43:18 GMT -5
Sardy butchered Record Machine and Stop the Clocks. Record Machine was OK, but the final product of Stop the Clocks was just awful. Noel's vocals seemed too sugar-coated, and dare I say, Autotuned, while the backing track was pretty muddy, which is a real shame because it was immense. On Record Machine, the choir sounds like it was added in for a huge effect that just comes off as too much, whereas it works well with EOTR. The amazing guitar solo sounds like it is trying to get heard through the wall of sound coming from strings and the choir. Also, Noel's voice sounds drowning at parts due to that crazy sound wall Sardy put there. The demo still holds up for me. |
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Post by glider on Mar 6, 2015 23:45:55 GMT -5
Gotta weigh in. Sardy is a friend of mine, so maybe I'm the wrong guy to ask, but I really disagree. And to lay it all on him isn't fair. He is supposed to mix my next record though, so maybe I should think again? Jeff, if he tells you he has a "grandiose idea", tell him to stop and just listen to what you want for it  |
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Post by AKA... Frozen Eggroll on Mar 7, 2015 1:31:32 GMT -5
But yet he did pretty well with DBTT (the most listenable Oasis album IMO). But I agree, NGHFB1 is like an elephant walking through a river, whereas CY is like an eagle soaring in the sky.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 7, 2015 2:12:11 GMT -5
There's something about Record Machine which makes it sound very cheesy and it makes me feel sleepy. I just can't put my finger on it. Also, Stranded On The Wrong Beach has some really cool effects like a church clock in the instrumental bit right before the second verse, and a glass harmonica in parts of the song, and YOU. JUST. CAN'T. HEAR. THEM. Basically what Sardy did was take the life out of songs, make it sound plodding, and make it sound like you're stuck with your head in the kitchen sink. A lot of cool effects have gone lost and it all sounds too one dimensional. I have 2 spakers on my 5.1 system set out of phase to reveal hidden sounds , and I think maybe you should try doing that and then you may hear something cool you havent heard before. Yeah, there's a whole thread about that here, it's really cool to find out what's hidden! |
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Post by vespa on Mar 7, 2015 4:27:34 GMT -5
Do you really think noel doesnt use autotune???everybody uses it.producers give ideas and put them in place but the artist has the final say and noel will have passed the album..he did a great job on dont believe the truth and i think dig out your soul sounded good..noela debut was just slightly too polished i think but wasnt awful
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Post by lamboasis on Mar 7, 2015 4:33:54 GMT -5
I still think.. no wait, I can't say that. Ok, go on, I think CY is mixed pretty bad.
Ok, i've said that, now kill me.
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Post by AKA... Frozen Eggroll on Mar 7, 2015 4:53:04 GMT -5
I still think.. no wait, I can't say that. Ok, go on, I think CY is mixed pretty bad. Ok, i've said that, now kill me. How? |
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Post by pliolite on Mar 7, 2015 18:13:07 GMT -5
Do you really think noel doesnt use autotune???everybody uses it.producers give ideas and put them in place but the artist has the final say and noel will have passed the album..he did a great job on dont believe the truth and i think dig out your soul sounded good..noela debut was just slightly too polished i think but wasnt awful Personally I thought the mix of half the HFB record was a bit crap, everything going into a crunchy mush. TDOYAM is one of the exceptions, that was produced really well (it was basically produced by Noel, not Sardy, am I right?) Autotune isn't a new thing, it's on BHN and everything onwards. Sometimes it's used more to create an effect (like on Stop The Clocks). Something producers like to do is put a fully autotuned vocal as a double underneath a more normal. There's plenty of that going on on HFB, and that's courtesy of Sardy. I'm really glad that CY has much less of that stuff cause it just sounded a bit naff on HFB. |
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Post by pliolite on Mar 7, 2015 18:22:02 GMT -5
Also, people use DBTT as example of a decent Sardy production, but wasn't most of what he did just polishing demos that Noel/Death in Vegas had produced ages before? Lyla was definitely that, with Sardy recording Liam over the top of Noel's tracks.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2015 18:26:04 GMT -5
Also, people use DBTT as example of a decent Sardy production, but wasn't most of what he did just polishing demos that Noel/Death in Vegas had produced ages before? Lyla was definitely that, with Sardy recording Liam over the top of Noel's tracks. The two big singles off DBTT had nothing to do with Sardy. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2015 18:27:26 GMT -5
The problem with Dave Sardy is that he is just so ordinary in the producer chair compared to Noel's iconic songwriting. To me, Noel always deserved better. A proper sonic collaborator. Sorta like Nigel Godrich and Radiohead, Davie Bowie and Brian Eno, or Markus Dravs and Arcade Fire.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2015 18:28:03 GMT -5
Gotta weigh in. Sardy is a friend of mine, so maybe I'm the wrong guy to ask, but I really disagree. And to lay it all on him isn't fair. He is supposed to mix my next record though, so maybe I should think again? Free advice, tell Dave less is more.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 18:35:33 GMT -5
1. The drums are too fuzzy, distorted and one paced and too high in the mix
2. The whole album lacks an edge and sounds like it was produced by a Christian rock producer
3. Every interesting sound and instrument is buried far too low in the mix and without the help of a great sound system you can't hear them
4. There's no energy to any of the songs, they all sound like SOTSOG B-sides. Good songs, too slow, one take and 'that'll do'
5. Every track is 'brickwalled' but unlike the DM songs it doesn't suit them, the tracks have no room to breathe
6.Noel's voice sounds far too artificial and over produced on most songs, going off the performances we know for a fact he can nail them all so it was a stylistic decision
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Basically I love all the songs in their raw form, I love the live performances and I love playing them on guitar myself but the album is a boring struggle to get through. It's just so monotonous and muddy. It's such a shame as that album had so much potential, if only Noel had the confidence he has now, it could've been so brilliant if it was brighter and more fun
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