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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 12:13:54 GMT -5
Wonder how many people who voted No are regretting it now? Can't wait for England to vote us out of Europe. I don't regret voting no. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 12:15:09 GMT -5
Again, it's a mixture of the recession (not all their fault obviously, but I think they needed a clean break from those who were in charge at the time) happening on Labour's watch and leaders who the public basically don't like in Gordon Brown, then Ed Miliband. The media have been pukingly right wing. IMO it's been a decent day for democracy even if you disagree with the result, there's been a change of widespread opinion, a clear result and there has been a smooth change of government (albeit only coalition to Tory)with three leaders stepping down with dignity. It's what democracy should be all about. Agreed. I've seen headlines saying there will be thousands protesting if Cameron doesn't resign (lol). In all fairness, they're allowed to do that, but come on, just because you didn't get the result you wanted after a fair election...... Whilst i accept we have the system we have and we have to accept the result that has given us. That does not make it FAIR. votes per seat UKIP - 3,881,129 Green Party - 1,157,613 Lib Dem - 301,986 Labour - 40,290 Conservatives - 34,244 SNP - 25,972 |
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Post by Gin & Tonic on May 8, 2015 12:22:20 GMT -5
Wonder how many people who voted No are regretting it now? Can't wait for England to vote us out of Europe. I don't regret voting no. I wasn't implying you did or should, just a general musing considering the general consensus of people in Scotland being extremely unhappy at a Tory majority. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 12:23:55 GMT -5
An undemocratically elected Conservative government, governed by tyrannical corporations and propped up by the propaganda of an abhorrent media machine, is such a massive setback to all - not just to those with more "extremist" views like Anarchists - but to anyone with any ideals of fairness, equality, compassion and humanitarianism.
Sad day.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 12:28:12 GMT -5
I don't regret voting no. I wasn't implying you did or should, just a general musing considering the general consensus of people in Scotland being extremely unhappy at a Tory majority. Ah, I see what you mean. I think a lot of the people who voted no in Scotland will be Conservative supporters as well as Labour and Lib Dem supporters. What I think will happen within the next two years is that Nicols Sturgeon will get a mandate for another referendum and this will be the last one. Either because the population votes yes or because the population votes no again, in which case she would have absolutely no case for a third referendum. |
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Post by Gin & Tonic on May 8, 2015 12:33:48 GMT -5
I wasn't implying you did or should, just a general musing considering the general consensus of people in Scotland being extremely unhappy at a Tory majority. Ah, I see what you mean. I think a lot of the people who voted no in Scotland will be Conservative supporters as well as Labour and Lib Dem supporters. What I think will happen within the next two years is that Nicols Sturgeon will get a mandate for another referendum and this will be the last one. Either because the population votes yes or because the population votes no again, in which case she would have absolutely no case for a third referendum. Even though I voted Yes I don't want to see another referendum for a long time unless there is exceptional circumstances (eg we're away to/have been voted out of Europe despite the majority of Scotland voting against it). It wasn't the result I wanted but the people have spoken and that should be that. Comes across very badly if she tries to force another referendum this soon after the result. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 8, 2015 12:34:33 GMT -5
Wonder how many people who voted No are regretting it now? Can't wait for England to vote us out of Europe. I actually hope the UK remains part of the EU, could you imagine the global financial impact if it separates? |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 12:43:40 GMT -5
Well that settles it, we're clearly a nation of fucking idiots. Hahahahhahahahhahhahaha UK is a muslim country soon just like Sweden and the rest of the Europe. Nice.... Would you care to explain exactly what you mean by that? After doing so I'll explain to you why you're wrong. |
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Post by matt on May 8, 2015 13:19:06 GMT -5
Wonder how many people who voted No are regretting it now? Can't wait for England to vote us out of Europe. Not in the slightest - voting no wasn't anything to do with the Tories, it was down to cold hard economic facts (aka 'scaremongering' by that twunt Salmond). If the Tories don't speak to me, the SNP and their regressive jingoistic bullshit certainly fucking don't. A bad day for liberalism. |
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Post by kingcrawler on May 8, 2015 13:31:43 GMT -5
Ah, I see what you mean. I think a lot of the people who voted no in Scotland will be Conservative supporters as well as Labour and Lib Dem supporters. What I think will happen within the next two years is that Nicols Sturgeon will get a mandate for another referendum and this will be the last one. Either because the population votes yes or because the population votes no again, in which case she would have absolutely no case for a third referendum. Even though I voted Yes I don't want to see another referendum for a long time unless there is exceptional circumstances (eg we're away to/have been voted out of Europe despite the majority of Scotland voting against it). It wasn't the result I wanted but the people have spoken and that should be that. Comes across very badly if she tries to force another referendum this soon after the result. Yeah I agree with this. There really shouldn't be another referendum within the next parliamentary term and possibly longer. The earliest I can see another one happening is around 2024/2025 as there needs to be time to build up support for it. If there was to be another referendum within the next few years I fear another no vote would kill a lot of the SNP's momentum. |
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Post by matt on May 8, 2015 13:42:01 GMT -5
Next Labour leader?
Andy Burnham is favourite, and there's no doubt he is a good man. A Liverpudlian, his tireless efforts working for the victims of the Hillsborough disaster is one of the great parliamentary achievements anywhere in the UK.
Dan Jarvis is also one of the favourites - he's not a well known name, but he's a very impressive politician with real life experience who was an army officer in the Parachute Regiment in Iraq. A very centrist alternative also.
Another favourite is Chuka Umuuna, who is as careerist as politicians come - no hint of originality and constantly spinning party line, I wouldn't trust him at all.
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Post by matt on May 8, 2015 13:45:12 GMT -5
An undemocratically elected Conservative government, governed by tyrannical corporations and propped up by the propaganda of an abhorrent media machine, is such a massive setback to all - not just to those with more "extremist" views like Anarchists - but to anyone with any ideals of fairness, equality, compassion and humanitarianism. Sad day. I agree, it's not fair, but it is democratic as we as the British public accepted First Past The Post. We had the chance to change the voting system four years ago, instead we stuck to the status quo.  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 8, 2015 15:05:49 GMT -5
An undemocratically elected Conservative government, governed by tyrannical corporations and propped up by the propaganda of an abhorrent media machine, is such a massive setback to all - not just to those with more "extremist" views like Anarchists - but to anyone with any ideals of fairness, equality, compassion and humanitarianism. Sad day. I agree, it's not fair, but it is democratic as we as the British public accepted First Past The Post. We had the chance to change the voting system four years ago, instead we stuck to the status quo. Reminds me of the U.S. Filibuster - you only complain when it negatively affects you. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 15:15:24 GMT -5
I agree, it's not fair, but it is democratic as we as the British public accepted First Past The Post. We had the chance to change the voting system four years ago, instead we stuck to the status quo. Reminds me of the U.S. Filibuster - you only complain when it negatively affects you. Nope, i am boringly consistent. |
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Post by matt on May 8, 2015 15:44:55 GMT -5
I agree, it's not fair, but it is democratic as we as the British public accepted First Past The Post. We had the chance to change the voting system four years ago, instead we stuck to the status quo. Reminds me of the U.S. Filibuster - you only complain when it negatively affects you. Nope, I've always been a Lib Dem supporter so I've never gone back on that principle. The fact of the matter is that in an increasingly pluralist and fragmented society, the first past the post system does not efficiently represent the entire country in a modern society. The two party system at one time did more or less please a country that was divided upon class lines. It's not like that anymore - what kind of country doesn't represent the party the Scots voted for or the near 4 million who voted UKIP? The SNP and UKIP don't appeal to me one bit, but that's a VAST swathe of people not represented. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 15:58:39 GMT -5
There's so very far to go.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 8, 2015 16:12:22 GMT -5
Adolf is at it again |
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Post by magneticz on May 8, 2015 18:33:54 GMT -5
Hahahahhahahahhahhahaha UK is a muslim country soon just like Sweden and the rest of the Europe. Nice.... Would you care to explain exactly what you mean by that? After doing so I'll explain to you why you're wrong. No. There is nothing to explain. Sorry. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 8, 2015 20:12:50 GMT -5
Would you care to explain exactly what you mean by that? After doing so I'll explain to you why you're wrong. No. There is nothing to explain. Sorry. |
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Post by supersonic1983 on May 9, 2015 2:28:58 GMT -5
We had the chance to change the voting system four years ago, instead we stuck to the status quo. That was a referendum on AV, which even Nick Clegg had described as a 'miserable little compromise'. A referendum on STV, or proportional representation, has the support of at least five parties with seats in Westminster, and after yesterday's results I expect there is a desire for change amongst the electorate. |
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Post by matt on May 9, 2015 7:22:20 GMT -5
We had the chance to change the voting system four years ago, instead we stuck to the status quo. That was a referendum on AV, which even Nick Clegg had described as a 'miserable little compromise'. A referendum on STV, or proportional representation, has the support of at least five parties with seats in Westminster, and after yesterday's results I expect there is a desire for change amongst the electorate. Sadly the Tories majority means they can pretty much rule with an iron fist with no compromise. In fact, I've heard they're going to force through boundary changes which will make them even stronger in representation in five years time. |
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Post by supersonic1983 on May 9, 2015 7:45:55 GMT -5
I've heard they're going to force through boundary changes which will make them even stronger in representation in five years time. Even more reason to push for electoral reform now, while the flaws in the current system are in the foreground and there is momentum for change. The SNP support it; write to your MP. And sign the petitions at makeseatsmatchvotes.org and change.org. |
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Post by globe on May 9, 2015 8:24:23 GMT -5
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 10, 2015 7:28:45 GMT -5
Good on her! Cameron on the other hand, who I'd wager has never stepped foot on a bus in his entire life, can go and get bent. An awful, awful man. Did you hear about the private Tory dinner they had a month or two back where one of the auction prizes was a £55k shooting trips in Oxfordshire? |
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Post by globe on May 10, 2015 9:18:49 GMT -5
Good on her! Cameron on the other hand, who I'd wager has never stepped foot on a bus in his entire life, can go and get bent. An awful, awful man. Did you hear about the private Tory dinner they had a month or two back where one of the auction prizes was a £55k shooting trips in Oxfordshire? This one? Yep, a veritable who's who of arseholes |
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