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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 10:46:31 GMT -5
I love the arguments here. So I say that Liam would have potentially gone to jail for broadcasting his drug use and these are two responses I have received: "People don't get arrested for broadcasting his drug use" and "He WAS arrested for broadcasting his drug use." Truly remarkable. No, I said he was arrested for his drug use, not for speaking about it. And I said it to counter the suggestion that the police had ever protected him. Improve your reading skills, or maybe just don't be a malicious reader for the sake of scoring an imaginary point on the internet. He wasn't really. He was arrested on suspicion of possessing drugs. Why do you think the police were suspicious that Liam Gallagher possessed drugs? And as for protecting him, the police actually did find a substance on him. What do you think happens to most people when they are discovered with cocaine on them? |
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Post by elephantstone93 on Oct 23, 2017 10:47:07 GMT -5
I only signed up to this forum to get early news / leaks for both Liam and Noel’s albums, and to hear the opinions of likeminded fans. There’s so much nonsense on here, people analysing every element of their behaviour. It’s infectious and I find myself doing it 😂 Love them both. If they ever get back together, great. If they don’t, so be it we will still get great music. I’m gone once Noel’s album is out, and I’ll be back for the next album cycle 😂
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Post by jordan71421 on Oct 23, 2017 10:47:20 GMT -5
I love that Noel’s parka monkey comment hit a nerve with some people on here. When you become too much of a fanboy and start to invest too much of your life into the Gallaghers, those comments are bound to offend you
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Post by elephantstone93 on Oct 23, 2017 10:47:39 GMT -5
No, I said he was arrested for his drug use, not for speaking about it. And I said it to counter the suggestion that the police had ever protected him. Improve your reading skills, or maybe just don't be a malicious reader for the sake of scoring an imaginary point on the internet. He wasn't really. He was arrested on suspicion of possessing drugs. Why do you think the police were suspicious that Liam Gallagher possessed drugs? And as for protecting him, the police actually did find a substance on him. What do you think happens to most people when they are discovered with cocaine on them? Get jailed for years, apparently. |
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 23, 2017 10:54:29 GMT -5
No, I said he was arrested for his drug use, not for speaking about it. And I said it to counter the suggestion that the police had ever protected him. Improve your reading skills, or maybe just don't be a malicious reader for the sake of scoring an imaginary point on the internet. He wasn't really. He was arrested on suspicion of possessing drugs. Why do you think the police were suspicious that Liam Gallagher possessed drugs? And as for protecting him, the police actually did find a substance on him. What do you think happens to most people when they are discovered with cocaine on them? I'm in America, so I can only speak to that. People caught with drugs on them are judged and sentenced depending on the amount they were carrying, and whether they had been caught before. It's perfectly possible for a "common person" to received no more than a monetary fine for possession. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 23, 2017 10:58:59 GMT -5
He wasn't really. He was arrested on suspicion of possessing drugs. Why do you think the police were suspicious that Liam Gallagher possessed drugs? And as for protecting him, the police actually did find a substance on him. What do you think happens to most people when they are discovered with cocaine on them? I'm in America, so I can only speak to that. People caught with drugs on them are judged and sentenced depending on the amount they were carrying, and whether they had been caught before. It's perfectly possible for a "common person" to received no more than a monetary fine for possession. Drug laws/penalties here, even for small amounts, are incredibly weighted toward prosecution. The statistics toward this are pretty damning. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 11:00:20 GMT -5
He wasn't really. He was arrested on suspicion of possessing drugs. Why do you think the police were suspicious that Liam Gallagher possessed drugs? And as for protecting him, the police actually did find a substance on him. What do you think happens to most people when they are discovered with cocaine on them? I'm in America, so I can only speak to that. People caught with drugs on them are judged and sentenced depending on the amount they were carrying, and whether they had been caught before. It's perfectly possible for a "common person" to received no more than a monetary fine for possession. You're absolutely right. It is possible. But in America right now, prisons are overflowing mostly because of drug laws. And those drug laws are targeted disproportionately towards poor people and people of colour, especially. I would be very surprised if the same weren't true in England even though their drug laws are more lax, but who knows? I suppose my point is that some people can get formal warnings, some people can get charged and actually go to jail, and my thought is that all that depends on how the people who are in charge see you as a person. I don't think that's a particularly bizarre assessment, do you? |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 23, 2017 11:01:14 GMT -5
No, I said he was arrested for his drug use, not for speaking about it. And I said it to counter the suggestion that the police had ever protected him. Improve your reading skills, or maybe just don't be a malicious reader for the sake of scoring an imaginary point on the internet. He wasn't really. He was arrested on suspicion of possessing drugs. Why do you think the police were suspicious that Liam Gallagher possessed drugs? And as for protecting him, the police actually did find a substance on him. What do you think happens to most people when they are discovered with cocaine on them? If its amount low enough to be considered for personal use then possibly a caution, maybe something a little worse but not time, if its enough for intent to supply then yes you would go to prison. Can I ask where you're from? It seems like you don't get how it works in England. |
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Post by eva on Oct 23, 2017 11:01:29 GMT -5
wow you guys really went off on a tangent here...
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Post by ezlo on Oct 23, 2017 11:03:36 GMT -5
I love that Noel’s parka monkey comment hit a nerve with some people on here. When you become too much of a fanboy and start to invest too much of your life into the Gallaghers, those comments are bound to offend you Personally, the thing that annoys me with this comment is not the parka monkey thing, but that he seems to say that those who don't like Holy Mountain are Liam fanboys. It's a bit like people saying "oh you don't like it because it's a new direction, completely different from Oasis bla bla bla". I don't mind the new direction (the trailer got me quite excited for the album in fact), I just don't like this song because ... I just don't think it is very good and I expect a lot from a songwriter like Noel (I don't hate the song, mind you, I'm just not impressed a kinda forgot about it already). |
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Post by supernovastar94 on Oct 23, 2017 11:05:31 GMT -5
That makes it worse, though, doesn't it? We are the people who we are in private, not the people we broadcast the world. Who knows what level of abuse Noel had to put up with over the years. And people get upset with parka references. I hate writing posts like this, because deep down I love both of them, and have the receipts for each of their albums to prove it, but please... Going just by the accounts of the people who've worked with them both over the years, Noel's very capable of being a duplicitous, manipulative bully, who's made no secret of the disdain he feels towards his brother. Let's not sit here and pretend wee ol' Noel was sitting there strumming his guitar, dreaming up some words for his sweetheart when Liam blundered in and out of the clear big blue questioned his paternity. They've spent their entire public lives attacking each other or walking out on each other. Liam should never had said what he said, whatever the provocation. 100% agreement, there. But "Noel the saintly, put-upon serious musician" is as much as caricature as "Liam, innocent man of the people". They hate each other, and have for years, and have goaded each other publicly and privately for years. Spot on. Which is why I find it very amusing that people in here and on twitter/IG/FB are offended that Noel does't miss Liam and doesn't want to have anything to do with him. As Noel said, what Liam's doing in Twitter now is what he did for years, but only in private (if he calls Sara a "shit Meg" in public who knows what he has called her to Noel's face before). Of course, I'm not saying Noel is a saint, he's been very clear in interviews for years that he doesn't like Liam, and who knows also what he has called him in private. But I can't believe people are NOW giving Noel shit for not embracing Liam just because Liam goes "his music/wife/friends/managment are shite, but I miss him, we should be together" and everyone goes "aww he misses him, Noel should take him back". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 11:05:34 GMT -5
Remember when Liam implied Anais wasn't Noel's daughter? Such a beautiful soul... He didn't do that in public. That's a private argument that leaked out. Shit form from him, but he didn't broadcast it to the world. Agreed. But he did offend Noel's wife in public and Noel did the same (calling Nicole divvy). I just think that the whole "Noel is evil" X "Liam doesn't know what he is doing" is wrong. If Noel is the evil puppeteer that some like to claim he is, then why wasn't he able to influence the press against As You Were? I love their music, but I don't love them as people. Why? Because I don't know them. People lie and people like to hurt back those who have hurt them. For that reason, I find it hard to believe whatever Liam/Noel say about each other. I don't know if they mean what they say or if it's just a reaction to those boring, repetitive questions. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 11:08:16 GMT -5
He wasn't really. He was arrested on suspicion of possessing drugs. Why do you think the police were suspicious that Liam Gallagher possessed drugs? And as for protecting him, the police actually did find a substance on him. What do you think happens to most people when they are discovered with cocaine on them? If its amount low enough to be considered for personal use then possibly a caution, maybe something a little worse but not time, if its enough for intent to supply then yes you would go to prison. Can I ask where you're from? It seems like you don't get how it works in England. I'm in Canada. And yeah, I have reviewed the law, though I am curious whether there is the kind of disproportionate targeting of the kind that I explained above. I also think it's interesting that he was never arrested again throughout the 90s. But regardless, this was only one of several points that I brought up. If I concede the drug issue, can we concentrate on the other points? |
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Post by joladella on Oct 23, 2017 11:08:41 GMT -5
I love that Noel’s parka monkey comment hit a nerve with some people on here. When you become too much of a fanboy and start to invest too much of your life into the Gallaghers, those comments are bound to offend you Personally, the thing that annoys me with this comment is not the parka monkey thing, but that he seems to say that those who don't like Holy Mountain are Liam fanboys. It's a bit like people saying "oh you don't like it because it's a new direction, completely different from Oasis bla bla bla". I don't mind the new direction (the trailer got me quite excited for the album in fact), I just don't like this song because ... I just don't think it is very good and I expect a lot from a songwriter like Noel (I don't hate the song, mind you, I'm just not impressed a kinda forgot about it already). I think that is the point, he should be above not everybody liking his current song, without making digs like that, especially as he is having an album full of songs of which hopefully there will be something for all of us to enjoy. It surely was just a joke gone a bit wrong, but I could have sworn it was someone from this forum who had posted that! "Haha, all of you xxx just can't hack the new direction he's taking, go back to listening to xxxx!" |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 23, 2017 11:09:27 GMT -5
He didn't do that in public. That's a private argument that leaked out. Shit form from him, but he didn't broadcast it to the world. Agreed. But he did offend Noel's wife in public and Noel did the same (calling Nicole divvy). I just think that the whole "Noel is evil" X "Liam doesn't know what he is doing" is wrong. If Noel is the evil puppeteer that some like to claim he is, then why wasn't he able to influence the press against As You Were? I love their music, but I don't love them as people. Why? Because I don't know them. People lie and people like to hurt back those who have hurt them. For that reason, I find it hard to believe whatever Liam/Noel say about each other. I don't know if they mean what they say or if it's just a reaction to those boring, repetitive questions. Good post. the last part can be explained easily. they are making those comments for headlines. It's all about headlines. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 23, 2017 11:10:11 GMT -5
Fair enough. I don't think Liam tries to pretend to be a common man. He just doesn't care how he comes across. Like I said, he comes across as someone who appears unaffected by fame, and sounds like he is still sniffing glue on a Manchester council estate. When you saw him on the Graham Norton show, and how different he came across compared to the controlled, media-savvy luvvies on there, it became apparent his working class behaviour and attitude hasn't really left him, even if the poverty has. But you don't see how this is potentially insulting to genuinely common people? A common person doesn't equate to being a glue sniffer who hasn't the ability to be formal. I mean, we can't say, yeah, Liam may have a lot of money, luxury, privileges and is very concerned about being dressed in nice clothes, owns his own pricey-clothing store, spends a large amount of time concentrating on his hair style, wants to have a nice car pick him up from the airport but he is still boorish and drinks a lot so that makes him a real common guy. To me, all this does is reinforce the perception of working class people as inarticulate boors when they are not like that at all. You get people who act like that in all class categories. I was brought up in a rough council estate in Hull, and now live in a leafy suburb village in a wealthy village south of London, so I feel I know what the Northern rough common man looks and sounds like, compared to the people who have wealth and were brought up with money to burn. And I personally see Liam more as a man who now has money, but his working class attitude hasn't left him. That's how I feel about him, end of. And no, me having this opinion isn't insulting to working class folks who've done well for themselves, or for those who haven't done well for themselves. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 23, 2017 11:11:58 GMT -5
That makes it worse, though, doesn't it? We are the people who we are in private, not the people we broadcast the world. Who knows what level of abuse Noel had to put up with over the years. And people get upset with parka references. I hate writing posts like this, because deep down I love both of them, and have the receipts for each of their albums to prove it, but please... Going just by the accounts of the people who've worked with them both over the years, Noel's very capable of being a duplicitous, manipulative bully, who's made no secret of the disdain he feels towards his brother. Let's not sit here and pretend wee ol' Noel was sitting there strumming his guitar, dreaming up some words for his sweetheart when Liam blundered in and out of the clear big blue questioned his paternity. They've spent their entire public lives attacking each other or walking out on each other. Liam should never had said what he said, whatever the provocation. 100% agreement, there. But "Noel the saintly, put-upon serious musician" is as much as caricature as "Liam, innocent man of the people". They hate each other, and have for years, and have goaded each other publicly and privately for years. In my head I read this with a Texan accent and banjo music in the background. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 23, 2017 11:16:42 GMT -5
Personally, the thing that annoys me with this comment is not the parka monkey thing, but that he seems to say that those who don't like Holy Mountain are Liam fanboys. It's a bit like people saying "oh you don't like it because it's a new direction, completely different from Oasis bla bla bla". I don't mind the new direction (the trailer got me quite excited for the album in fact), I just don't like this song because ... I just don't think it is very good and I expect a lot from a songwriter like Noel (I don't hate the song, mind you, I'm just not impressed a kinda forgot about it already). I think that is the point, he should be above not everybody liking his current song, without making digs like that, especially as he is having an album full of songs of which hopefully there will be something for all of us to enjoy. It surely was just a joke gone a bit wrong, but I could have sworn it was someone from this forum who had posted that! "Haha, all of you xxx just can't hack the new direction he's taking, go back to listening to xxxx!" Agree, I really hoped and thought Noel would take the high road and make some witty comment, but would be above it. It sorta disappointed me that he didn't, but it didn't offend me. Just like Liam calling NGHFB fans vaginas and whatever else he called them (can't even remember, that's how little I care) didn't offend me. Sure, I thought it was a bit fucking stupid from the both of them to offend that's pretty much also your own fanbase, but it doesn't affect me. And it shouldn't. |
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 23, 2017 11:23:11 GMT -5
I hate writing posts like this, because deep down I love both of them, and have the receipts for each of their albums to prove it, but please... Going just by the accounts of the people who've worked with them both over the years, Noel's very capable of being a duplicitous, manipulative bully, who's made no secret of the disdain he feels towards his brother. Let's not sit here and pretend wee ol' Noel was sitting there strumming his guitar, dreaming up some words for his sweetheart when Liam blundered in and out of the clear big blue questioned his paternity. They've spent their entire public lives attacking each other or walking out on each other. Liam should never had said what he said, whatever the provocation. 100% agreement, there. But "Noel the saintly, put-upon serious musician" is as much as caricature as "Liam, innocent man of the people". They hate each other, and have for years, and have goaded each other publicly and privately for years. In my head I read this with a Texan accent and banjo music in the background. Come and listen to a story 'bout a man named Noel Poor roadie barely kept his family fed Then one day he was smoking up some weed And out of his head come a snappy tune (Live Forever, that is, number one, mega tune) Well the first thing you know old Noel's a millionaire Kin folk said Noel move away from there Said London is the place you oughta be So they loaded up the Rolls and they moved to Supernova (Heights, that is, swimming pool, basement gym) Well now it's time to say goodbye to Noel and all his kin They would like to thank you folks for kindly dropping in Y'all are NOT invited back again to this locality To have a heaping helping of their hostility (Wibbling Rivals, that's what they call 'em now, Nice folks Y'all don't come back now, ya hear?) |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 11:30:50 GMT -5
I hate writing posts like this, because deep down I love both of them, and have the receipts for each of their albums to prove it, but please... Going just by the accounts of the people who've worked with them both over the years, Noel's very capable of being a duplicitous, manipulative bully, who's made no secret of the disdain he feels towards his brother. Let's not sit here and pretend wee ol' Noel was sitting there strumming his guitar, dreaming up some words for his sweetheart when Liam blundered in and out of the clear big blue questioned his paternity. They've spent their entire public lives attacking each other or walking out on each other. Liam should never had said what he said, whatever the provocation. 100% agreement, there. But "Noel the saintly, put-upon serious musician" is as much as caricature as "Liam, innocent man of the people". They hate each other, and have for years, and have goaded each other publicly and privately for years. Spot on. Which is why I find it very amusing that people in here and on twitter/IG/FB are offended that Noel does't miss Liam and doesn't want to have anything to do with him. As Noel said, what Liam's doing in Twitter now is what he did for years, but only in private (if he calls Sara a "shit Meg" in public who knows what he has called her to Noel's face before). Of course, I'm not saying Noel is a saint, he's been very clear in interviews for years that he doesn't like Liam, and who knows also what he has called him in private. But I can't believe people are NOW giving Noel shit for not embracing Liam just because Liam goes "his music/wife/friends/managment are shite, but I miss him, we should be together" and everyone goes "aww he misses him, Noel should take him back". Noel is far from a saint. He seemed to be the instigator in being unnecessarily harsh to Tony McCarroll back in the day. Some of his comments about Blur during the 90s were extremely inappropriate. His constant walking away from the band for two weeks or however long was passive aggressive to the point of absurdity. And I don't doubt the comments from AA that he's probably a bit dodgy when it comes to songwriting credits. He was also way too careless in that situation about considering how his comments about them might affect their career. Nevertheless, just from the information I have about the two of them, I do not see him being anywhere near as flawed as Liam is. And at the very least, Noel has made some genuine attempts to improve himself over the years in a way I don't see with Liam. That's not to say that I don't think Liam is beyond improving but he doesn't appear to want to. But again, this is all just based on what I know which admittedly is very limited. But that's all any of us have when it comes to anybody and some of us just naturally gravitate towards certain personality types. |
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Post by rickypaglais on Oct 23, 2017 11:40:27 GMT -5
Once again Noel has proved that he doesn't give a fuck about his roots or his fans. Insulting half his fanbase because they don't like his shit new song. What a sad, old wanker.
And before the tedious "lol touched a nerve hehe xD", I've thought Noel is a prick long beforehand.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 11:43:14 GMT -5
Once again Noel has proved that he doesn't give a fuck about his roots or his fans. Insulting half his fanbase because they don't like his shit new song. What a sad, old wanker. And before the tedious "lol touched a nerve hehe xD", I've thought Noel is a prick long beforehand. You must really not be a fan of Liam as he has said much more insulting things than that about Noel's fans. |
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Post by rickypaglais on Oct 23, 2017 11:44:01 GMT -5
Once again Noel has proved that he doesn't give a fuck about his roots or his fans. Insulting half his fanbase because they don't like his shit new song. What a sad, old wanker. And before the tedious "lol touched a nerve hehe xD", I've thought Noel is a prick long beforehand. You must really not be a fan of Liam as he has said much more insulting things than that about Noel's fans. Such as? |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 11:47:55 GMT -5
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Post by rickypaglais on Oct 23, 2017 11:51:58 GMT -5
Well that's also a very shit thing to say. However, my point is that Noel is attempting to insult anyone who doesn't like his new song. It's pathetic. |
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