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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 10:16:00 GMT -5
Agree to disagree. The common man doesn't take years off of work so that they can work on themselves. I agree that Liam talks in a way that appears to be like what his perception of a common man is, but his actions are not like common people and for me that's more important. So what do you expect him to do with his time off? Sign on the dole? Go down to the Job Centre, sniffing around for part time work? Go to the local pub and ask if there any shifts he can do behind the bar? Pop down to Tesco and see if there are any decent shelf-stacking jobs going? How do you misread my posts so badly that you are assuming that I am saying he HAS to act like a common man. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 10:18:25 GMT -5
I'm going to guess that you don't remember the 90s particularly well. Hell, there was even a news story that suggested that Liam's drug use was probably protected by the police in the 90s. I'm going to guess you don't remember reality. Saying you've taken drugs doesn't get you arrested. No but if you tell the police on a weekly basis that you are consistently taking enormous amounts of cocaine, there's a good chance they might pop on over to your place and have a look around. And if you don't believe that is a reality, then you are living in a dream world. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 23, 2017 10:19:10 GMT -5
So what do you expect him to do with his time off? Sign on the dole? Go down to the Job Centre, sniffing around for part time work? Go to the local pub and ask if there any shifts he can do behind the bar? Pop down to Tesco and see if there are any decent shelf-stacking jobs going? How do you misread my posts so badly that you are assuming that I am saying he HAS to act like a common man. Because I thought that is what you are saying? If he doesn't act like the common man, then in your eyes he isn't.....or did I get that wrong? |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 23, 2017 10:21:05 GMT -5
I'm going to guess you don't remember reality. Saying you've taken drugs doesn't get you arrested. No but if you tell the police on a weekly basis that you are consistently taking enormous amounts of cocaine, there's a good chance they might pop on over to your place and have a look around. And if you don't believe that is a reality, then you are living in a dream world. Well if you can show me Liams weekly reports of him doing a shit load of cocaine or being arrested for saying he had taken drugs I'll come out of my dream world and into yours. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 10:22:36 GMT -5
How do you misread my posts so badly that you are assuming that I am saying he HAS to act like a common man. Because I thought that is what you saying? If he doesn't act like the common man, then in your eyes he isn't.....or did I get that wrong? I'm saying that, like Noel, he's absolutely not a common man in any shape or form and, given that, neither he nor we should pretend as if he is. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 10:23:28 GMT -5
No but if you tell the police on a weekly basis that you are consistently taking enormous amounts of cocaine, there's a good chance they might pop on over to your place and have a look around. And if you don't believe that is a reality, then you are living in a dream world. Well if you can show me Liams weekly reports of him doing a shit load of cocaine or being arrested for saying he had taken drugs I'll come out of my dream world and into yours. I suggest you look back because you have entirely misinterpreted my point. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 23, 2017 10:23:49 GMT -5
Depends what you mean by "man of the people". He's clearly not a proleteriat any more, but I don't think he's lost touch of what it was like to be one. He's kept the mentality of a working class lad, but clearly he's a sort of haute bourgeoisie these days.
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Post by rorymcbride on Oct 23, 2017 10:26:19 GMT -5
Depends what you mean by "man of the people". He's clearly not a proleteriat any more, but I don't think he's lost touch of what it was like to be one. He's kept the mentality of a working class lad, but clearly he's a sort of haute bourgeoisie these days. I did like that Noel in the "Live Forever" documentary said "Yeah, I'm working class" whilst sat on a throne in what looked like a mansion whilst Damon Albarn was interviewed in a cafe or suchlike. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 23, 2017 10:27:04 GMT -5
Because I thought that is what you saying? If he doesn't act like the common man, then in your eyes he isn't.....or did I get that wrong? I'm saying that, like Noel, he's absolutely not a common man in any shape or form and, given that, neither he nor we should pretend as if he is. Fair enough. I don't think Liam tries to pretend to be a common man. He just doesn't care how he comes across. Like I said, he comes across as someone who appears unaffected by fame, and sounds like he is still sniffing glue on a Manchester council estate. When you saw him on the Graham Norton show, and how different he came across compared to the controlled, media-savvy luvvies on there, it became apparent his working class behaviour and attitude hasn't really left him, even if the poverty has. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 23, 2017 10:29:39 GMT -5
*Wakes up, opens up the forum, closes the forum*
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 23, 2017 10:32:00 GMT -5
But...but...Liam is sincere and tongue in cheek. He is yet a simple minded grown child. We should not take him seriously. He is not 45 at heart. He's not an adult. Noel is always serious. He hates Liam. He wants to destroy Liam. He is a 50 year old bully. Mean potato!  Remember when Liam implied Anais wasn't Noel's daughter? Such a beautiful soul... He didn't do that in public. That's a private argument that leaked out. Shit form from him, but he didn't broadcast it to the world. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 10:34:04 GMT -5
I'm saying that, like Noel, he's absolutely not a common man in any shape or form and, given that, neither he nor we should pretend as if he is. Fair enough. I don't think Liam tries to pretend to be a common man. He just doesn't care how he comes across. Like I said, he comes across as someone who appears unaffected by fame, and sounds like he is still sniffing glue on a Manchester council estate. When you saw him on the Graham Norton show, and how different he came across compared to the controlled, media-savvy luvvies on there, it became apparent his working class behaviour and attitude hasn't really left him, even if the poverty has. But you don't see how this is potentially insulting to genuinely common people? A common person doesn't equate to being a glue sniffer who hasn't the ability to be formal. I mean, we can't say, yeah, Liam may have a lot of money, luxury, privileges and is very concerned about being dressed in nice clothes, owns his own pricey-clothing store, spends a large amount of time concentrating on his hair style, wants to have a nice car pick him up from the airport but he is still boorish and drinks a lot so that makes him a real common guy. To me, all this does is reinforce the perception of working class people as inarticulate boors when they are not like that at all. You get people who act like that in all class categories. |
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 23, 2017 10:36:07 GMT -5
Years in prison for telling people you take drugs, heard it all now 😂 I'm going to guess that you don't remember the 90s particularly well. Hell, there was even a news story that suggested that Liam's drug use was probably protected by the police in the 90s. Must be why he was never arrested, eh. OH WAIT. |
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Post by walterglass on Oct 23, 2017 10:36:39 GMT -5
As a working class man I choose who my working class heroes are.
Liam has the common touch. His vibration resonates.
It’s not subjective, it’s not the business of others and it’s not open to debate.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 10:36:40 GMT -5
Remember when Liam implied Anais wasn't Noel's daughter? Such a beautiful soul... He didn't do that in public. That's a private argument that leaked out. Shit form from him, but he didn't broadcast it to the world. That makes it worse, though, doesn't it? We are the people who we are in private, not the people we broadcast the world. Who knows what level of abuse Noel had to put up with over the years. And people get upset with parka references. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 23, 2017 10:37:41 GMT -5
Wait, People really believe Liam is "a man of the people" ?  I guess the old propaganda stunt, keep repeating it and people will believe it, indeed works. You do my fucking head in with those eye patch/twitching top lip emoticons. If you're gonna make out like you're better informed than other people on here are, at least have the wit to argue your case in text. |
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 23, 2017 10:38:00 GMT -5
Fair enough. I don't think Liam tries to pretend to be a common man. He just doesn't care how he comes across. Like I said, he comes across as someone who appears unaffected by fame, and sounds like he is still sniffing glue on a Manchester council estate. When you saw him on the Graham Norton show, and how different he came across compared to the controlled, media-savvy luvvies on there, it became apparent his working class behaviour and attitude hasn't really left him, even if the poverty has. But you don't see how this is potentially insulting to genuinely common people? A common person doesn't equate to being a glue sniffer who hasn't the ability to be formal. I mean, we can't say, yeah, Liam may have a lot of money, luxury, privileges and is very concerned about being dressed in nice clothes, owns his own pricey-clothing store, spends a large amount of time concentrating on his hair style, wants to have a nice car pick him up from the airport but he is still boorish and drinks a lot so that makes him a real common guy. To me, all this does is reinforce the perception of working class people as inarticulate boors when they are not like that at all. You get people who act like that in all class categories. I don't find Liam inarticulate at all. He may be unpolished, but he gets his ideas through very well. You're projecting your own mental caricature of him onto his actual words. Almost as if you've read nothing he's ever said beyond twitter trolling. |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 23, 2017 10:38:48 GMT -5
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 10:39:20 GMT -5
I'm going to guess that you don't remember the 90s particularly well. Hell, there was even a news story that suggested that Liam's drug use was probably protected by the police in the 90s. Must be why he was never arrested, eh. OH WAIT. I love the arguments here. So I say that Liam would have potentially gone to jail for broadcasting his drug use and these are two responses I have received: "People don't get arrested for broadcasting his drug use" and "He WAS arrested for broadcasting his drug use." Truly remarkable. |
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Post by Manualex on Oct 23, 2017 10:41:17 GMT -5
*Wakes up, opens up the forum, closes the forum* |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 10:41:45 GMT -5
But you don't see how this is potentially insulting to genuinely common people? A common person doesn't equate to being a glue sniffer who hasn't the ability to be formal. I mean, we can't say, yeah, Liam may have a lot of money, luxury, privileges and is very concerned about being dressed in nice clothes, owns his own pricey-clothing store, spends a large amount of time concentrating on his hair style, wants to have a nice car pick him up from the airport but he is still boorish and drinks a lot so that makes him a real common guy. To me, all this does is reinforce the perception of working class people as inarticulate boors when they are not like that at all. You get people who act like that in all class categories. I don't find Liam inarticulate at all. He may be unpolished, but he gets his ideas through very well. You're projecting your own mental caricature of him onto his actual words. Almost as if you've read nothing he's ever said beyond twitter trolling. I don't find him inarticulate either. I'm trying to suss out what other people see as his so called "common man" attributes. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 23, 2017 10:42:04 GMT -5
Thanks for speaking on behalf of all working-class people, sfsorrow!
Us commoners really appreciate it.
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 23, 2017 10:42:43 GMT -5
He didn't do that in public. That's a private argument that leaked out. Shit form from him, but he didn't broadcast it to the world. That makes it worse, though, doesn't it? We are the people who we are in private, not the people we broadcast the world. Who knows what level of abuse Noel had to put up with over the years. And people get upset with parka references. I hate writing posts like this, because deep down I love both of them, and have the receipts for each of their albums to prove it, but please... Going just by the accounts of the people who've worked with them both over the years, Noel's very capable of being a duplicitous, manipulative bully, who's made no secret of the disdain he feels towards his brother. Let's not sit here and pretend wee ol' Noel was sitting there strumming his guitar, dreaming up some words for his sweetheart when Liam blundered in and out of the clear big blue questioned his paternity. They've spent their entire public lives attacking each other or walking out on each other. Liam should never had said what he said, whatever the provocation. 100% agreement, there. But "Noel the saintly, put-upon serious musician" is as much as caricature as "Liam, innocent man of the people". They hate each other, and have for years, and have goaded each other publicly and privately for years. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 10:43:06 GMT -5
Thanks for speaking on behalf of all working-class people, sfsorrow! Us commoners really appreciate it. Please point out one quote where I have done that. |
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 23, 2017 10:43:50 GMT -5
Must be why he was never arrested, eh. OH WAIT. I love the arguments here. So I say that Liam would have potentially gone to jail for broadcasting his drug use and these are two responses I have received: "People don't get arrested for broadcasting his drug use" and "He WAS arrested for broadcasting his drug use." Truly remarkable. No, I said he was arrested for his drug use, not for speaking about it. And I said it to counter the suggestion that the police had ever protected him. Improve your reading skills, or maybe just don't be a malicious reader for the sake of scoring an imaginary point on the internet. |
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