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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 23, 2017 9:26:11 GMT -5
I find it amusing that the guy whose most used expressions are along the lines of "we are the greatest band in the world" and "I'm a genius" and wrote the lyric "an extraordinary guy can never have an ordinary day" are now getting bothered by the fact that he's using this eagle/pigeon analogy. Is it seriously ANY different than what we have come to expect from Noel and is it seriously on par with the endless invective that Liam hurls his way on an almost weekly basis? But...but...Liam is sincere and tongue in cheek. He is yet a simple minded grown child. We should not take him seriously. He is not 45 at heart. He's not an adult. Noel is always serious. He hates Liam. He wants to destroy Liam. He is a 50 year old bully. Mean potato!  |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 9:32:10 GMT -5
I find it amusing that the guy whose most used expressions are along the lines of "we are the greatest band in the world" and "I'm a genius" and wrote the lyric "an extraordinary guy can never have an ordinary day" are now getting bothered by the fact that he's using this eagle/pigeon analogy. Is it seriously ANY different than what we have come to expect from Noel and is it seriously on par with the endless invective that Liam hurls his way on an almost weekly basis? But...but...Liam is sincere and tongue in cheek. He is yet a simple minded grown child. We should not take him seriously. He is not 45 at heart. He's not an adult. Noel is always serious. He hates Liam. He wants to destroy Liam. He is a 50 year old bully. Mean potato!  Yes, and you forgot "man of the people." You ever notice that just about every time that phrase is evoked to describe someone, it's almost always unintentionally insulting to common people? |
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Post by elephantstone93 on Oct 23, 2017 9:37:45 GMT -5
But...but...Liam is sincere and tongue in cheek. He is yet a simple minded grown child. We should not take him seriously. He is not 45 at heart. He's not an adult. Noel is always serious. He hates Liam. He wants to destroy Liam. He is a 50 year old bully. Mean potato! Yes, and you forgot "man of the people." You ever notice that just about every time that phrase is evoked to describe someone, it's almost always unintentionally insulting to common people? No it’s not 😂 |
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 23, 2017 9:38:03 GMT -5
This is the 3rd or 4th time I've seen you mention 'someone' jumping on you and I may be wrong but it kind of feels like your referring to me when I commented on people using the 'we all used to love oasis so we must have loved both gallagher brothers once, and it's stupid to have chosen one now they've split' argumemt. Firstly it wasn't a personal dig at you so I'm sorry if you took it that way. Your not the only person I've seen use it and it had been bothering me for a while because I felt it simply wasn't true. I understand why as a moderator you would try to stop and argument developing but my feeling about it was that it was a false narrative, oasis was a many headed beast and it was perfectly natural that many members on here were drawn to the band by once particular aspect that one or the other of the brothers brought and therefore would be naturally inclined to favour one over the other ad a solo artist and it wasn't because they were stupid or imature and had been sucked in by the petty fighting, which is what using that argument implies. It's perfectly fine to have loved both too, all views should be equally valid. You are right to try and stop improper behaviour on here, that is your job, but I just felt that it's the behaviour of certain posters not their approach to being a fan of oasis that is the issue here. Any one should feel free to like Liam or Noel more if that's how they feel and express that view on here without being attacked and told to fuck off and support a different band because they don't conform to what some members of here rather condescendingly consider to be a superior type of fan. That's the type of childish behaviour that makes this place unpleasant not the fan who sometimes expresses a preference for one over the other. As long as people are friendly and don't act aggressively to other members then all views should be accepted, is all I was trying to say by describing how my own feelings on the subject were shaped by supporting oasis in the 90s not because I was caught up in the bickering of recent times. Here's another non oasis example to illustrate my point, when I was a kid I loved the A team, I loved Murdoch the best, thought Face was a bit of a smug wanker. I was still a fan of the program though and watched it every week. You don't have to love everything about something to call yourself a fan. You really aged yourself with that A Team reference, guessing you're at least 40.... God bless. Everyone at Maine Road and Knebworth is now over 40. OG Oasis fans  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 9:38:08 GMT -5
I find it amusing that the guy whose most used expressions are along the lines of "we are the greatest band in the world" and "I'm a genius" and wrote the lyric "an extraordinary guy can never have an ordinary day" are now getting bothered by the fact that he's using this eagle/pigeon analogy. Is it seriously ANY different than what we have come to expect from Noel and is it seriously on par with the endless invective that Liam hurls his way on an almost weekly basis? But...but...Liam is sincere and tongue in cheek. He is yet a simple minded grown child. We should not take him seriously. He is not 45 at heart. He's not an adult. Noel is always serious. He hates Liam. He wants to destroy Liam. He is a 50 year old bully. Mean potato! Remember when Liam implied Anais wasn't Noel's daughter? Such a beautiful soul... |
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Post by Godlike on Oct 23, 2017 9:42:20 GMT -5
Like literally every move he's made this album cycle backfired and is coming back to bite him in the ass Somehow I think NG will have the last laugh when this album is released. I think it will be massive (well, much bigger than his last 2 anyway). I hope so but it's not seeming that way so far |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 23, 2017 9:43:49 GMT -5
Somehow I think NG will have the last laugh when this album is released. I think it will be massive (well, much bigger than his last 2 anyway). I hope so but it's not seeming that way so far The PR hype machine hasn't kicked in yet for Noel's album. Wait until it does... |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 9:44:32 GMT -5
Yes, and you forgot "man of the people." You ever notice that just about every time that phrase is evoked to describe someone, it's almost always unintentionally insulting to common people? No it’s not 😂 Yes it is. Liam gets cast as a "regular guy" and a "common man" but if any real common man spent even a fraction of their time publicly broadcasting their drug use, they'd stand a very real chance of spending years in prison. Most common people also don't have the luxury of taking several years off of work to work on themselves and then have revelations while sitting up in the trees. Liam clearly has a kind of privilege that most ordinary people don't have and when we relate his life with theirs, it's insulting to their genuinely difficult life experiences. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 23, 2017 9:48:27 GMT -5
But...but...Liam is sincere and tongue in cheek. He is yet a simple minded grown child. We should not take him seriously. He is not 45 at heart. He's not an adult. Noel is always serious. He hates Liam. He wants to destroy Liam. He is a 50 year old bully. Mean potato! Yes, and you forgot "man of the people." You ever notice that just about every time that phrase is evoked to describe someone, it's almost always unintentionally insulting to common people? I'm just annoyed at this whole thing where people take everything so seriously and so personally. Something is hilarious, but when the other side does it, they are so butthurt and all of a sudden it's not so funny anymore. Christ. Also annoyed at the fact that some can't seem to think for themselves and copy words or agree with everything Noel or Liam says. Seriously, the amount of arse kissing comments on both NG's Instagram and Liam's Twitter is insane. You are not Liam. You are not Noel. You aren't friends with either of them and you don't know anything about them. If something Liam or Noel says hurts you that much and takes up that much of your life, I advise you to go seek a hobby. Because it's not fun to open a thread and be unpleasantly surprised by this moping by some of you "fans" constantly. Whioe. That felt good. |
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Oct 23, 2017 9:50:06 GMT -5
I think I can give some interesting perspective on the subject because I happened to be at Morumbi Stadium yesterday, fairly close to Noel actually.  Here's the thing: while Noel had an excellent overall performance yesterday, the thing is, his new material fell totally flat with the audience during the show. So, why did he get that reaction when he played Holy Mountain? Well, that was because he told the audience it was written for Sarah, that it was Sarah's birthday and that Sarah was watching the gig from the backstage. That's clearly where he won the public. And here's another catch: many people on that audience couldn't even be called "rock'n'roll" fans. I'd say about 40% of that stadium (if not more!) of that stadium was composed by bandwagon U2 fans who barely knew the main act beyond their most famous songs. As a matter of fact, almost no one next to me knew the songs from The Joshua Tree after With or Without You. So, even if the public did like Holy Mountain, that's no good omen unless he wants to be the next Ricky Martin Finally, if hardly matters now for team Noel if he has the right to take a dig at Liam, team Liam and Liam fans or not... The thing is, the tribunal of younger Oasis fans on the internet has already decided Noel has become uncool. Team Liam's perfect PR strategy seems to have shaken off Noel. After 8 years controlling the post Oasis narrative, he's finally having to play some defense and that doesn't come naturally for him. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 23, 2017 9:50:20 GMT -5
Yes it is. Liam gets cast as a "regular guy" and a "common man" but if any real common man spent even a fraction of their time publicly broadcasting their drug use, they'd stand a very real chance of spending years in prison. Most common people also don't have the luxury of taking several years off of work to work on themselves and then have revelations while sitting up in the trees. Liam clearly has a kind of privilege that most ordinary people don't have and when we relate his life with theirs, it's insulting to their genuinely difficult life experiences. One thing Liam does have going for him over Noel is his unpretentious behaviour. He is definitely more down-to-earth than his brother, more common, more unaffected by fame, and hasn't really shed his working class roots. He also seems more emotional too, and appears more affected by the split than Noel does. But I do also think Liam behaves more of a dick than Noel in public, and on social media. |
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Post by supernovastar94 on Oct 23, 2017 9:50:29 GMT -5
But...but...Liam is sincere and tongue in cheek. He is yet a simple minded grown child. We should not take him seriously. He is not 45 at heart. He's not an adult. Noel is always serious. He hates Liam. He wants to destroy Liam. He is a 50 year old bully. Mean potato! Remember when Liam implied Anais wasn't Noel's daughter? Such a beautiful soul... "Oh come on, that was Liam just being a funny drunk, no harm intended" I can't believe really some people think like that, but it happens. Noel really needs to sort out his PR stuff now... At this moment in time, Liam can say that he was the zodiac killer, that Morning Glory is a shit album and that he killed John Lennon and end all with "but I miss Noel and Oasis" and people will cheer him. Noel probably just says that he doesn't like Chinatown and will be labeled a shit person, a shit brother and pissing on Oasis legacy |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 23, 2017 9:53:49 GMT -5
I hope so but it's not seeming that way so far The PR hype machine hasn't kicked in yet for Noel's album. Wait until it does... And then what? So far they haven't really done a great job at creating hype for this album, or promoting the single. The leadsingle. Nor did they do great jobs on the last two albums IMO. Sure, they did well, but I think they could've gotten much more out of it. They seem like they're stuck in 1990. They don't take the different factors such as streaming playing a huge role into account. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 9:56:13 GMT -5
Yes it is. Liam gets cast as a "regular guy" and a "common man" but if any real common man spent even a fraction of their time publicly broadcasting their drug use, they'd stand a very real chance of spending years in prison. Most common people also don't have the luxury of taking several years off of work to work on themselves and then have revelations while sitting up in the trees. Liam clearly has a kind of privilege that most ordinary people don't have and when we relate his life with theirs, it's insulting to their genuinely difficult life experiences. One thing Liam does have going for him over Noel is his unpretentious behaviour. He is definitely more down-to-earth than his brother, more common, more unaffected by fame, and hasn't really shed his working class roots. He also seems more emotional too, and appears more affected by the split than Noel does. But I do also think Liam behaves more of a dick than Noel in public, and on social media. But actually here's where I disagree a bit. I mean, I see what you are saying but Liam almost has pretentiousness in reverse in that he has an air of being "more common" and "more unaffected by fame" but he has enormous privileges that have come with fame that genuinely common and working class people don't have (like the ones I mentioned above). Noel, at the very least, is pretty upfront about the fact that he can do things that most other people can't. Liam can too, but the mere fact that he doesn't do it as often doesn't really make him more like ordinary people. Ordinary people don't get that choice. |
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Post by elephantstone93 on Oct 23, 2017 9:57:48 GMT -5
Yes it is. Liam gets cast as a "regular guy" and a "common man" but if any real common man spent even a fraction of their time publicly broadcasting their drug use, they'd stand a very real chance of spending years in prison. Most common people also don't have the luxury of taking several years off of work to work on themselves and then have revelations while sitting up in the trees. Liam clearly has a kind of privilege that most ordinary people don't have and when we relate his life with theirs, it's insulting to their genuinely difficult life experiences. Christ. What a load of bollox. If that was the case half of my Facebook would be going to jail for broadcasting their drug use. I don’t know where you’re from but telling the world you do drugs isn’t going to get you sent to jail, let alone years 😂 |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 23, 2017 9:57:54 GMT -5
The PR hype machine hasn't kicked in yet for Noel's album. Wait until it does... And then what? So far they haven't really done a great job at creating hype for this album, or promoting the single. The leadsingle. Nor did they do great jobs on the last two albums IMO. Sure, they did well, but I think they could've gotten much more out of it. They seem like they're stuck in 1990. They don't take the different factors such as streaming playing a huge role into account. Let's wait and see what happens when the album is released, and what the reaction will be. That will be the deciding factor I feel for this album, on whether it fails or goes massive. |
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Post by elephantstone93 on Oct 23, 2017 9:59:33 GMT -5
Years in prison for telling people you take drugs, heard it all now 😂
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 23, 2017 10:04:55 GMT -5
One thing Liam does have going for him over Noel is his unpretentious behaviour. He is definitely more down-to-earth than his brother, more common, more unaffected by fame, and hasn't really shed his working class roots. He also seems more emotional too, and appears more affected by the split than Noel does. But I do also think Liam behaves more of a dick than Noel in public, and on social media. But actually here's where I disagree a bit. I mean, I see what you are saying but Liam almost has pretentiousness in reverse in that he has an air of being "more common" and "more unaffected by fame" but he has enormous privileges that have come with fame that genuinely common and working class people don't have (like the ones I mentioned above). Noel, at the very least, is pretty upfront about the fact that he can do things that most other people can't. Liam can too, but the mere fact that he doesn't do it as often doesn't really make him more like ordinary people. Ordinary people don't get that choice. Any famous person is going to have more choice, that goes without saying. But Liam behaves more like the common man, even if his wealth doesn't make him so anymore. He doesn't seem as affected by fame as Noel does. |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 23, 2017 10:07:06 GMT -5
Wait, People really believe Liam is "a man of the people" ? I guess the old propaganda stunt, keep repeating it and people will believe it, indeed works. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 10:07:16 GMT -5
Years in prison for telling people you take drugs, heard it all now 😂 I'm going to guess that you don't remember the 90s particularly well. Hell, there was even a news story that suggested that Liam's drug use was probably protected by the police in the 90s. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 23, 2017 10:09:29 GMT -5
But actually here's where I disagree a bit. I mean, I see what you are saying but Liam almost has pretentiousness in reverse in that he has an air of being "more common" and "more unaffected by fame" but he has enormous privileges that have come with fame that genuinely common and working class people don't have (like the ones I mentioned above). Noel, at the very least, is pretty upfront about the fact that he can do things that most other people can't. Liam can too, but the mere fact that he doesn't do it as often doesn't really make him more like ordinary people. Ordinary people don't get that choice. Any famous person is going to have more choice, that goes without saying. But Liam behaves more like the common man, even if his wealth doesn't make him so anymore. He doesn't seem as affected by fame as Noel does. Agree to disagree. The common man doesn't take years off of work so that they can work on themselves. I agree that Liam talks in a way that appears to be like what his perception of a common man is, but his actions are not like common people and for me that's more important. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 23, 2017 10:10:55 GMT -5
Wait, People really believe Liam is "a man of the people" ? I guess the old propaganda stunt, keep repeating it and people will believe it, indeed works. Man of the people may be a stretch too far, but he certainly behaves like the common man, for most part. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 23, 2017 10:13:43 GMT -5
Any famous person is going to have more choice, that goes without saying. But Liam behaves more like the common man, even if his wealth doesn't make him so anymore. He doesn't seem as affected by fame as Noel does. Agree to disagree. The common man doesn't take years off of work so that they can work on themselves. I agree that Liam talks in a way that appears to be like what his perception of a common man is, but his actions are not like common people and for me that's more important. So what do you expect him to do with his time off? Sign on the dole? Go down to the Job Centre, sniffing around for part time work? Go to the local pub and ask if there any shifts he can do behind the bar? Pop down to Tesco and see if there are any decent shelf-stacking jobs going? |
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Post by lg on Oct 23, 2017 10:15:25 GMT -5
This is really sad...besides the fact that it isn't true... |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 23, 2017 10:15:58 GMT -5
Years in prison for telling people you take drugs, heard it all now 😂 I'm going to guess that you don't remember the 90s particularly well. Hell, there was even a news story that suggested that Liam's drug use was probably protected by the police in the 90s. I'm going to guess you don't remember reality. Saying you've taken drugs doesn't get you arrested. |
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